Tariq

I got this message since one week now and suddunly it came, note that i change the brake pads and the brake disk, and after a week from changing that part i got this message.

I take my car to the workshop then they fix it , i take out the car and i get the message agine.

Note that i have E500 - 2003 model..

Any one faced the same problem.

note that i take the car twice, once they remove this message it come back agine after driving the car.


Hope someone can explien the reason and why that comes.

Thanks

Kar don

could be something wrong with the SBC system.

Thrillhouse

Im gunna say stop lamp switch, try it

Tariq

Well my brake is working perfectly, i dont think my SBC have a problems, am driving the car normaly as before but this signal is comming once i switch on the car.

Tariq

Whats that? can you explien more?

Thanks

Double Eagle

I had that problem a couple months back after the front brakes were replaced, and it was caused by a faulty Stop Light Switch. That is a switch which activates when you touch the brake pedal. It activates your brake lights and also deactivates the cruise control if you have it on. It's a common failure item, according to my Service Advissor, after about three years. Repair made at no cost under warranty.

IQguy

I have the same message for a week now. 2003 E 320. 36K miles.
I have not yet replaced brake pads.
Is this something you must do as message suggests, or wait if car drives OK?

How much does dealer charge any ideas?
I am assuming this is not covered in warranty.

BudC

OK, I'm assuming that those folks who have problems have had all the Recalls/TSB's associated with the SBC braking system and associated with the battery charging problems installed by their dealer. If not, then take your car to the dealer and have them check your VIN number to see what needs to be done.

I'm also assuming that any car that's at least 3 years old has had the brake fluid changed by a dealer or another outfit equiped to do it.

See this thread... https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w211/145960-w211-recalls.html

Double Eagle

This is the message I got with the faulty brake switch and not for worn pads. The repair was free and didn't take long. Your car should still be under warranty and it should be free.

I had all the required TSB's performed for SBC problems, noisy front brakes and the bad cable routing prior to this message. As part of the previous warranty work, they had changed brake fluid and replaced the front brake pads for free.

konigstiger

I do not think anything is wrong with the SBC. I would suggest Thrillhouse & Double Eagle’s solution (replace stop lamp switch) to your dealer. Curious, were the brake wear sensors replaced (Brake wear sensors: one each wheel front, one right rear wheel)?

Thrillhouse

that message has NOTHING to do with SBC, almost 99% of the cars I work on with that warning, is the stop lamp switch..........

konigstiger

Yes I know, just trying to clarify to Tariq (who already agrees it’s not the SBC) in response to the Kar don & BudC posts. And did I not suggest mentioning to replace the stop lamp switch to the dealer as you posted previously?

Tariq

Thanks to all of you who support to share the experience to other...

Well may i know how to stop the lamp switch???

Can you explein in details ?

Thanks agine....

paulv

Konigstiger's curiosity is exactly the problem I had with the same message after owning the car for 2 months (03 E320). The dealer replaced the 3 sensors. never saw the message again.

Regards,
Paul...

Tariq

Well after changing the Brake disks,pads and sensors i i faced that message after a month, so i agine change the whole sensors to new one but still the message shows...!

paulv

Then I would go with the stop lamp switch change out -- it seems to be the only item left.

Does anyone know where the switch is located? They're usually under the dash at the top of the brake pedal on most other cars.

Regards,
Paul...

DalBenz

This brake message popped up 3 times within 2 days so I asked my SA at the dealer about it the last time I had the car in the shop for service B.

He didn't elaborate, but told me that something needed to be reset after I changed the brake pads and sensors.
(I did my own pads and sensors on all 4 corners in January about 5k miles ago - no problems until this brake message started about 2weeks ago.)
It's been a week since the car is back from the dealer now and no repeat of the brake message - so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

BTW, my car has had all the recall work done including the SBC ground.

Anybody have an idea what he might have meant needed to be reset after changing the pads and sensors?

paulv

This excerpt is from a WIS procedure I found on another forum for changing
the brake pads (front and/or rear):

"The following steps should be run through
in STAR DIAGNOSIS:
Select the menu item "SBC-Sensotronic
Brake Control"/"Initial startup after
repair"/"Remove/install brake pads".
Then process all the individual steps from top
to bottom."

It is interesting that many people have changed their own pads on this and other MB forums for the W211 and haven't posted anything about having a problem.

Regards,
Paul...

Tariq

Damn....

I went to the workshop and they informed me that you have problem with SBC as my brake work very good !!!!!

I dont know if they are correct or they are lazy to diagnoze.....

Hope someone can make it more clear that i can do something on this problem... that message bother me alot...

Tariq

Paul can you tell me where i can go to the star diagnosis menu?

mmgrad

your car is an '03, unless you have >50k miles, why dont you just take the car in for warranty work and get it fixed???

Tariq

I just order my car from Germany, and I live in the middle East.. i dont think my dealer will be able to fix my car under waranty.

paulv

Tariq,

The Star Diags is the system that MB dealers use to troubleshoot/fix MB's. None of us own one because of the cost (at least $15K).

I don't understand why DalBenz had the problem after he changed the pads.

Regards,
paul....

DalBenz

Well, that's my question too, especially since the brake notice appeared well after the brake pad change (about 4months). Again, that's what the dealer service advisor told me. The paper work did not show that any parts were replaced or any work other than the Star Diags. I wish I would have had the opportunity to ask more questions but I was in a hurry to pickup the car and leave.

Tariq

I got your point, and yes they reset the brake service as replaced brake desk and pads but after a week that message appeared....!!!

and it still appear...