How to remove speed limiter
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ecm -
It's not that people here want to be rude or anything like that, but it's hard to take someone seriously who thinks that 130 MPH on public roads in the US is inadequate.
It's not that people here want to be rude or anything like that, but it's hard to take someone seriously who thinks that 130 MPH on public roads in the US is inadequate.
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I have done 140 in the 06 E350.... I thought the limiter was at 155 unless you have different tires. Both of our E350's came with Michelin pilot sport tires..
Or I think 4 matic are limited at 130mph.
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Its not... Around where I live you can easily do 130+ at night without passing a single car.
I have done 140 in the 06 E350.... I thought the limiter was at 155 unless you have different tires. Both of our E350's came with Michelin pilot sport tires..
Or I think 4 matic are limited at 130mph.
I have done 140 in the 06 E350.... I thought the limiter was at 155 unless you have different tires. Both of our E350's came with Michelin pilot sport tires..
Or I think 4 matic are limited at 130mph.
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I find it hard to take anyone seriously who is okay with having their personal property limited or hampered by some arbitrary number. Then again, I seriously like to drive, unlike those that find 130 "excessive" or "jaw dropping". Especially considering this guy has an E500, let him enjoy it, assuming he does know how to drive it properly at speed.
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The speed rating of the OEM tires is an "arbitrary number"?
I have an E500 too. I don't have to drive it at twice the speed limit to enjoy it. Competition driving courses teach you how to drive fast on the track; no amount of competition driving training will make driving at 130 MPH on a public road anything but reckless. I shouldn't have to point that out in a Mercedes forum.
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I have to disagree with DWP...
http://www.abd.org.uk/speed_truth.htm
I have an E500 too. I don't have to drive it at twice the speed limit to enjoy it. Competition driving courses teach you how to drive fast on the track; no amount of competition driving training will make driving at 130 MPH on a public road anything but reckless. I shouldn't have to point that out in a Mercedes forum.
So I hope we can agree to disagree.
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2 options...
The original question asked how can I remove it? Nothing about 'should I be doing this?' or 'is driving fast something you condone??'... so please, all the comments about reckless driving and irrisponsibility - tell someone that cares!
Is it unsafe for michael schumacher to drive at whatever speed he considers to be safe?? I would argue YES! On the same hand, who are we to judge any particular persons driving habits? Certain countries I have been to have the fastest, most aggressive and SEEMINGLY dangerous places on earth to drive - and is there speeding enforcement? NO! is there an alarming crash rate and horrible car fatality statistics? NO!
So lets all hop off our mbworld.org high-horse and give this punter some information about what his machine is capable of (not HOW he is allowed to use it)
ECM there are 2 obvious options:
1. Invest in a chip tune for your ECM (no pun intended). Do a search on the forum for it or you can visit www.evosport.com for some details on this (they sell Powerchips software www.powerchipgroup.com or kleemann I think). Tuning will also give more torque and power to get you up and speeding sooner!
COST: $500-1500
2. You could use a 'speed cut defender' (essentially a 'box-of-tricks' that is soldered into the speed sensor wire signal and matches the signal of a preset speed (lower than the electronic cut-out) so that the telemetrics do not register a speed higher than it should. As soon as you hit speed, say 120, the SCL will continue that voltage as you continue to accelerate - so the car thinks your still only doing 120mph! (MB engineers may be smarter now, and have several ways to identify the vehicles speed - in other words, this might not work!
Cost: $100ish (or less if your a home electronics whizz)
Is it unsafe for michael schumacher to drive at whatever speed he considers to be safe?? I would argue YES! On the same hand, who are we to judge any particular persons driving habits? Certain countries I have been to have the fastest, most aggressive and SEEMINGLY dangerous places on earth to drive - and is there speeding enforcement? NO! is there an alarming crash rate and horrible car fatality statistics? NO!
So lets all hop off our mbworld.org high-horse and give this punter some information about what his machine is capable of (not HOW he is allowed to use it)
ECM there are 2 obvious options:
1. Invest in a chip tune for your ECM (no pun intended). Do a search on the forum for it or you can visit www.evosport.com for some details on this (they sell Powerchips software www.powerchipgroup.com or kleemann I think). Tuning will also give more torque and power to get you up and speeding sooner!
COST: $500-1500
2. You could use a 'speed cut defender' (essentially a 'box-of-tricks' that is soldered into the speed sensor wire signal and matches the signal of a preset speed (lower than the electronic cut-out) so that the telemetrics do not register a speed higher than it should. As soon as you hit speed, say 120, the SCL will continue that voltage as you continue to accelerate - so the car thinks your still only doing 120mph! (MB engineers may be smarter now, and have several ways to identify the vehicles speed - in other words, this might not work!
Cost: $100ish (or less if your a home electronics whizz)
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#1. Only speed where you can see. (You will never get a speeding ticket)
#2. Never forget rule #1.
But the roads I drive fast on especially at night are nice smooth freeways that I drive all the time.. When you have a 3-4 lane wide freeway that is nearly perfectly strait for 8-9 miles and its 2 am and no one is around I open the car up.. I have been 155mph on this road many times when I had my M3, but I didnt stay at 155 for long since I would slow down to 60 or so then shoot back up to 155 since its the fun in accelerating to the speed and all the joy ends when you reach it.
I know its hard to imagine but freeways in every state are different, we have this special smooth quiet freeway material on most of our freeways and they are smooth and nice. I know if you go to CA the freeways are crap and have a lot of bumps and crappy road surfaces so I can see where some people get their ideas its not safe in the USA.
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Guys like Barry and myself can't fathom such high speeds because the roads that we travel on anywhere in the NY-NJ-CT region are all busy and in horrible condition. Around here, any highway that has a long enough straightaway to do excessive speeds would still be busy at any time of the day or night. And with random potholes and road debris, you would certainly be taking a big risk, and to any others around you. I think the regional differences have a huge impact on how you will answer this question.
But the OP's question was vague. Providing no information on why he would want to drive that fast. For example, is he going to use it on a track? Does he have the stock CRAPinentals? Where is he located? We all only have to assume. It's the same type of thing when people ask how they can disable the seatbelt warnings.
But the OP's question was vague. Providing no information on why he would want to drive that fast. For example, is he going to use it on a track? Does he have the stock CRAPinentals? Where is he located? We all only have to assume. It's the same type of thing when people ask how they can disable the seatbelt warnings.
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In Europe you can get the limiter removed by paying Mercedes a few extra $$$. But here in the USA you are going to have to either have a good relationship with your SA or tech or go to a tuner like brabus or rennetech and have them flash your ECU.
But again the limiter is on the car for various reasons one of the main reasons is the german eco nazies and your tires on the car are not ment to take the heat from going that fast, so if you want to go fast you need the proper tires to do so.
But again the limiter is on the car for various reasons one of the main reasons is the german eco nazies and your tires on the car are not ment to take the heat from going that fast, so if you want to go fast you need the proper tires to do so.
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So all in all, the simplest ways to remove your limiter are this:
1. Euro Delivery - You already have a car I assume so this is out...
2. ECU Flashing / Replacement - Find a place near you that will do this, or web based. Seeing my brother's done this, web based is much faster...
Personally,
I've raced Dodge Magnum Chargers, Porches, Corvettes, etc. on straight-a-way's they can all easily out run me, but that says nothing about that driver.
Proveing you can keep your car in a straight line for a several hundred yards beating your opponent is nice, but you deserve a "special award" if you believe that makes you the best driver to ever have lived.
Ya, it does have the effect of making your ego shrink a bit, and leaves you wishing your car was faster. Removeing a limitor will not change that fact your car doe's not have the HP to race, so you can't do one without doing the other truelly in opinion. If you want it that bad, and you've got the cash, hell, it's your money GO FOR IT! AND WHEN U DO, TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID, AND THEN LASTLY! MAKE US A VIDEO WE WANNA SEE
My Testimony Of Insanity:
I don't believe in racing down straight streets, I prefer to give a challenge, and I can tell you this, our E's at over 75 MPH around a corner don't skip a beat, no other car that's ever challenged me can make a boast as such. Due in part that these guy's buy the car cause there flashy, and fast. Not because they want to learn how to drive there vehicle's to there fulliest potential, challengeing what there manuals say are a safe speed. The many that offer to race always decline when I tell them exactly what we'll be racing haha.
I know many of you will have this type of effect to my racing style
1. Euro Delivery - You already have a car I assume so this is out...
2. ECU Flashing / Replacement - Find a place near you that will do this, or web based. Seeing my brother's done this, web based is much faster...
Personally,
I've raced Dodge Magnum Chargers, Porches, Corvettes, etc. on straight-a-way's they can all easily out run me, but that says nothing about that driver.
Proveing you can keep your car in a straight line for a several hundred yards beating your opponent is nice, but you deserve a "special award" if you believe that makes you the best driver to ever have lived.
Ya, it does have the effect of making your ego shrink a bit, and leaves you wishing your car was faster. Removeing a limitor will not change that fact your car doe's not have the HP to race, so you can't do one without doing the other truelly in opinion. If you want it that bad, and you've got the cash, hell, it's your money GO FOR IT! AND WHEN U DO, TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID, AND THEN LASTLY! MAKE US A VIDEO WE WANNA SEE
My Testimony Of Insanity:
I don't believe in racing down straight streets, I prefer to give a challenge, and I can tell you this, our E's at over 75 MPH around a corner don't skip a beat, no other car that's ever challenged me can make a boast as such. Due in part that these guy's buy the car cause there flashy, and fast. Not because they want to learn how to drive there vehicle's to there fulliest potential, challengeing what there manuals say are a safe speed. The many that offer to race always decline when I tell them exactly what we'll be racing haha.
I know many of you will have this type of effect to my racing style
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ps. Trust me, I'm a very smart driver. I don't race during the day light, through neighborhoods, through school zones, down back alley's, or business districts. Why, because your asking for a world of hurt, for that one split second fate / karma catches up to you. When I race, it's when I know all the hazard's are far and gone. As should everyone, but that usually doesn't happen. Most of us are inclined to drive with our pants, not our brains.
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Thats why I have 2 rules when I drive
#1. Only speed where you can see. (You will never get a speeding ticket)
#2. Never forget rule #1.
But the roads I drive fast on especially at night are nice smooth freeways that I drive all the time.. When you have a 3-4 lane wide freeway that is nearly perfectly strait for 8-9 miles and its 2 am and no one is around I open the car up.. I have been 155mph on this road many times when I had my M3, but I didnt stay at 155 for long since I would slow down to 60 or so then shoot back up to 155 since its the fun in accelerating to the speed and all the joy ends when you reach it.
I know its hard to imagine but freeways in every state are different, we have this special smooth quiet freeway material on most of our freeways and they are smooth and nice. I know if you go to CA the freeways are crap and have a lot of bumps and crappy road surfaces so I can see where some people get their ideas its not safe in the USA.
#1. Only speed where you can see. (You will never get a speeding ticket)
#2. Never forget rule #1.
But the roads I drive fast on especially at night are nice smooth freeways that I drive all the time.. When you have a 3-4 lane wide freeway that is nearly perfectly strait for 8-9 miles and its 2 am and no one is around I open the car up.. I have been 155mph on this road many times when I had my M3, but I didnt stay at 155 for long since I would slow down to 60 or so then shoot back up to 155 since its the fun in accelerating to the speed and all the joy ends when you reach it.
I know its hard to imagine but freeways in every state are different, we have this special smooth quiet freeway material on most of our freeways and they are smooth and nice. I know if you go to CA the freeways are crap and have a lot of bumps and crappy road surfaces so I can see where some people get their ideas its not safe in the USA.
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Also the road before that if you are coming up the I-10 is queen creek road, just drive down it once and watch out for cops then make the U turn at the light and floor it until you desire... But its a nice long road that is highly visible and you can easily top out any car on it.
101 I drive 90-100 mph all the time when traffic is light.
You can drive fast on highway 87... but I was going to go on an M3 meet once and they ended up taking the 87 and a few of them got arrested and I think just about everyone got tickets.
If we get enough AZ members we can probably have a few of us park on each end of queen creek road to make sure cops dont turn onto it. It has a gas station on one end so that wouldnt look funny for us to be stopped.
Here is a link to queen creek road on google maps..
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...t=h&iwloc=addr
