Ser05E500

I found a good deal on new 5 spoke 2010 W212 wheels and tires. They are 18 inch staggered set up. They will be going on my 2005 E500. I am not a wheel expert and am wondering if I should have any problems with putting these on my car? I assume it should be a simple bolt on no spacer needed. I might have to get new lugs? Please advise

I am attaching the link of these wheels on ebay so you can get more info. I think they look very good. What do you guys think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-O...Q5fAccessories

amdeutsch

You will need some big spacers for that offset. And you will definitely need new bolts all the way around.

Might take a look at my FS setup. It would fit perfectly.

Shameless plug.

Ser05E500

I have already purchased these. I have never had to use a spacer. Does it affect performance? Where can you buy them. How can i figure out which spacer to get and where?

Ser05E500

Here are the wheel offsets. What should I do? Should I cancel the sale or get the right spacers? Will i have rubbing? I really wanted to get some new wheels and am freaking out right now!

Rim Brand: Factory, OEM Number of Bolts: 5 Rim Material: Alloy
Rim Width: 8.5"/Front, 9"/Rear Bolt Pattern(s) (millimeters): 5x112 Rim Structure: One Piece
Rim Diameter (inches): 18 Offset: 48/Front, 54/Rear

220S

That's a pretty big offset difference. I personally wouldn't run spacers at all and esp over 5mm. Scrub radius on the fronts will be different and more potential wheel bearing issues, etc.. You could have to end up having to replace hubs, etc.. Lot of local wheel shops (Discount Tire, etc.) won't even mount with spacers.

Get wheels with the correct offset, imho. There are plenty of good looking wheels out there.

p.s., if you're dead set on those style of wheels then maybe shop for a better price. After looking at your post, I saw this set of dealer take offs of the same wheels/tires that sold for $900. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2010-...219219005r7656

amdeutsch

Corrected



From that, and comparing to the offsets on mine, you will need a 15 mm spacer on the rear and a minimum of a 10 mm(based on original sport wheel offset of 38) spacer up front; maybe even bigger - 15 mm again. Add to that the longer bolts.

HTH

Ser05E500

Thanks guys. The ones for 900 are the ones i bought yesterday. I thought the link expired and I couldnt find them on ebay any longer so I found those other ones. I couldnt pass up on such a good deal and the guy told me that it will be a direct fit on my car..so I though ok mercedes wheels it should be a direct fit and did not question at all what he said..


Other then the possible problems listed above...thank you very much for those..do spacers affect performance? What do you think could I just put these on without the spacers?

amdeutsch

No. Did you not look at the perfect fitment (AMG OEM) offset I provided.

Ser05E500

Thanks AmDeutsch! Where is a good place to buy spacers?

tbone

Big spacers not safe. Ever consider rims with the right offsets?

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...k-fitment.html

amdeutsch

Don't forget. My listed spacer size was only a shot from the hip. You will also need to find new bolts when you go the spacer route. Costs add up when you mod.

tbone

You can go more aggressive w/o rubbing, should you desire. I used to run a +28 on the front rim with regular-sized tires (245's) w/o rubbing. You should also be able to fit a +35 on the rear with a 275 or 285 tire w/o rubbing.

220S

+1

As I mentioned, front steering radius and hub reliability issues aren't worth it.

And definitely don't ever track the car or drive hard in the mountains

Spacers are for looks only. Don't throw performance, safety, and function out the window, imho.

Why not just get wheels that actually fit

tbone

Thick spacers = too much weight on the bolts = scary. Thin spacers are much better, but you'll need fat spacers for those wheels

taylor210

So, those high offset wheels wont rub at all? Have you mounted the wheels?

54mm - 38mm = 16mm
48mm - 38mm = 10mm, These OFFSET will rub for sure WITHOUT THE SPACER!!!

Let us know...

Ser05E500

I will keep you guys updated.

I would have gotten the right offset wheels have I waited a lil more and did some research. I acted too fast and too stupid without thinking about all the possible problems.

I was on ebay and saw these wheels and tires for $900...I mean pirelli tires alone are between 700-800 bucks. With shipping included(I negotiated the $100 off shipping). I only paid $1000 for everything. These are brand new 2010 E550 take offs.

The guy that sold me these wheels was awesome to deal with..I called him today and he said that if when I do get the wheels I cant fit them on he will refund my money.

As I have to run the spacers and based on my research I will probably get 20mm in the back and 10mm up front to get that more agressive look?

I appreciate all of your insight in this. I baby this car and am not planning to tracking or doing anything other then daily driving.

Based on what I read, I should get the hub-centric spacers and prefferably H&R.

I think I have everything down, I am still concerned about the lugs/bolts. Where can I buy those?

Thank you so much guys!

tbone

You should be able to order bolts through your local tire shop. lug bolt length will be your stock length + the width of whichever spacer you go with. Personally, I'm hesitant to go any thicker than 10mm.

If you got such a great deal on these rims, have you considered just re-selling them and buying a set with the proper offsets? You could even part out the rims and tires, and possibly make money off your setup...just a thought.

220S

+1

mcleantmw

Using spacers can be a safety issue.............if your car is still under factory or CPO warranty and something fails or you have an accident affected by your wheels, it might affect your warranty, maybe even your auto insurance. MB has technical data available for the proper the proper wheel fitment for your MB make/model. TireRack.com also has an online tool which can provide the data.

aeggroup

Here is the link with compare.
http://www.bigcustomwheels.com/rt_sp...8&text1=&text2=
Front tires will be perfectly fine...rear will need spacers

amdeutsch

Lets see, the tires sit in another 1/2" and you call that fine. Maybe in a straight line, which is highly doubtful, but most definitely when turning you will experience issues. Even your link gives limitations. Read it again. On top of that it would narrow the front track by 1". Wonder what that would do to the handling characteristics of the car.

misinformation verboten

aeggroup

Can you read what it says on the bottom of the link I provided ????
You telling us your opinion based on what ? your feelings ?
I gave you the link which purpose is - to compare new and old sizes and give you scientific explanation ....The explanation like "Lets see " or "highly doubtful" does not prove anything to me..sorry..

amdeutsch

I'll address both of your big words: opinion and feeling

Your site link
Suspension: Package is 13 mm (0.5'') closer to suspension/brakes components. Acceptable for most cars.
Fender: 100% fender clearance, more room tham OEM - that applies only to the outside. See suspension above for limitations in regards to the inside.

Not sure where you come off saying that the fitment is fine with that kind of disclaimer; most, NOT all and is also doesn't state fit, it states acceptable. You are the one that is expanding the meaning of opinion.

Now to address feeling; Ask around. That much of a difference in track width is going to change the handling characteristics of a car. Wouldn't it be great if the car handled better to help avoid those nasty potholes? And yes, I can feel the difference of that much difference in track width.

SoCal_AMG350

I dont mean to hijack this thread, but Im experiencing a problem that I think is associated with the offset of the wheels on my car.

I have an '08 E350 Sport with the AMG package. The original wheels were the AMG 5-spoke typically found on the sport models. Before selling the car, the PO bought a 2010 W212 with the sport package, and swapped the wheels before selling. So now I have the W212 6-spokes that you see in the picture.

They look great, but I've noticed ALOT of tracking issues on the freeway.....especially with the rear wheels where there is a 15mm difference.....and a 10mm difference in the front. I thought it just may have been the grooves in the freeway at first, but it's almost made me lose control a few times in the rain.....its that bad.

I was going to get spacers to see if that corrected the problem, but after reading this thread, I'm not sure thats the best idea.

QUESTION:
1. Do you think the tracking issues could be related to the narrower stance of the W212 wheels?
2. If so, would you recommend just going back to the original wheels or original offset?


Thanks.

Picture can be found at link below:

https://mbworld.org/forums/exterior-...oiler-lip.html

threeMBs

You must use spacers with W212 wheels on W211 cars. H&R 10mm front and 15mm rear. Your issues are related to not using spacers.

Once you put above mentioned spacers on (with 10mm longer bolts front - 37mm to 40mm will work, and 15mm longer bolts rear - 43mm will work just fine) your issues will be gone. IMO spacers are safe if you know what you're doing. A number of Porsches are tracked with spacers on - no issue. Again, spacers must be hubcentric and correct length bolts must be used. I use H&R hubcentric spacers on all my cars for many years now. I know exactly what I'm doing and have zero issues.

You can get both above mentioned spacers with longer bolts at ecstuning.com. I haven't found lower prices anywhere else. I'm using those guys for all my spacer needs for many years now.

Above is all the info you need if you still want to properly use W212 wheels on your W211.