Does your MY09 Passenger Mirror Parking Position Feature Work?
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,046
Likes: 1
From: Chicago, IL
2011 E550 4Matic, 2002 M3 Vert
Does your MY09 Passenger Mirror Parking Position Feature Work?
The title says it all... My dealer swears up and down the parking position feature for the passenger side mirror is not a feature on the 2009 model year of the E-Class even though the owners manual says it is.
I'm looking for some way to prove this to my dealer so they actually try to enable the feature for me. MBUSA is zero help so far.
Thanks.
I'm looking for some way to prove this to my dealer so they actually try to enable the feature for me. MBUSA is zero help so far.
Thanks.
Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 47
Likes: 1
From: Fremont, CA
2007 E63 AMG
I was looking around through the dashboard service screens on my 07 E63 and found the prompt to toggle this on and off. I activated the feature on the menu, but nothing happened, or at least I cannot see any change in the behavior of the mirror(s). I believe the dealer is correct.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
It's been decontented. The info in the manual is simply leftover and never been corrected. However, the claim is that it's still in the software. But no one has yet had a dealer activate it and so that remains an urban myth.
MB took it out because there were too many complaints about the mirror not returning properly when going back into drive. At least that's what MBUSA told me over the phone.
There is a workaround: just set the passenger mirror to show the curb and then assign it a memory number. Yes, you have to push the memory number yourself to get the mirror to dip and then go back up again, but it does work.....
MB took it out because there were too many complaints about the mirror not returning properly when going back into drive. At least that's what MBUSA told me over the phone.
There is a workaround: just set the passenger mirror to show the curb and then assign it a memory number. Yes, you have to push the memory number yourself to get the mirror to dip and then go back up again, but it does work.....
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,017
Likes: 16
From: Ft. Lauderdale Area, USA
2015 ML 350
I was looking around through the dashboard service screens on my 07 E63 and found the prompt to toggle this on and off. I activated the feature on the menu, but nothing happened, or at least I cannot see any change in the behavior of the mirror(s). I believe the dealer is correct.
You must 1st activate the feature, then memorize the "look down" position for the right hand mirror, then always leave the right side mirror select button pressed in on the drivers door. Then a second after the car is placed in Reverse the mirror will look down to that previously memorized position.
The feature was "decontented" for USA cars in '07 for MBUSA by MB Germany, due to numerous complaints about its sometimes erratic behavior. In 03-05 the E class was riddled with poorly performing parts and hideous Quality Control, and the 211's ratings plummented. It was done to eliminate complaints as a quick fix by hiding the option from view in the DIC so the user can't turn it on, and therefore cant be annoyed. There are people on this board who have found certain dealers who are savvy with the Service Department Laptop (SDS) make the menu choice reappear, and their mirrors look down function has been restored. No urban myth. It depends on a Dealerships skill and their desire to make a car have "non standard programming". The motor's still in the mirror so you can adjust it to see rearward, just the link to Reverse has been hidden from you.
My '04 DID have this feature and it behaved erratically. The workaround solution above works perfectly every time.
Last edited by Barry45RPM; Dec 27, 2010 at 01:43 PM.
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,046
Likes: 1
From: Chicago, IL
2011 E550 4Matic, 2002 M3 Vert
70k car without a simple feature that's been around for over 10 years. COME ON MERCEDES!
Can't I complain to BBB since the owner's manual claims to have a feature my car does not? Living in downtown Chicago, this particular feature is something I rely on to park the car. Manually lowering the mirror right before I park can be dangerous as I'm usually holding up traffic to park etc.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,017
Likes: 16
From: Ft. Lauderdale Area, USA
2015 ML 350
...Can't I complain to BBB since the owner's manual claims to have a feature my car does not? Living in downtown Chicago, this particular feature is something I rely on to park the car. Manually lowering the mirror right before I park can be dangerous as I'm usually holding up traffic to park etc.
Last edited by Barry45RPM; Dec 27, 2010 at 03:14 PM.
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,046
Likes: 1
From: Chicago, IL
2011 E550 4Matic, 2002 M3 Vert
These sorts of feature issues really disappoint me as a car enthusiast. I truly love all the gadgetry which goes in to modern automobiles and it really seems like MB is constantly behind the curve. Yes, BMWs have more electronic related problems but they also have way more features available to the customer. Could be time to switch...
Trending Topics
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
There are people on this board who have found certain dealers who are savvy with the Service Department Laptop (SDS) make the menu choice reappear, and their mirrors look down function has been restored. No urban myth. It depends on a Dealerships skill and their desire to make a car have "non standard programming". The motor's still in the mirror so you can adjust it to see rearward, just the link to Reverse has been hidden from you.
Okay, please tell us (or pm me) the dealer's name and your SA's name (and tech's name) so I can call them and ask how it's done. Thanks!
Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
From: OC
02 E320 Blk, 09 E350 Blk
Barry, the reason I called it an "urban myth" is because I've yet to find a dealer who says they can (or are willing) to do so. Even at Mercedes of Beverly Hills, the biggest seller in the US. And I've asked (and pm'd) those handful here who say they've had it done as to which dealer they use. But nobody was willing to say
Good, now we have another person who said it was done at a dealer.
Okay, please tell us (or pm me) the dealer's name and your SA's name (and tech's name) so I can call them and ask how it's done. Thanks!
Good, now we have another person who said it was done at a dealer.
Okay, please tell us (or pm me) the dealer's name and your SA's name (and tech's name) so I can call them and ask how it's done. Thanks!
House of import in Buena park and Caliber Motor in Anaheim Hills coudln't do it!
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,139
Likes: 41
Tesla Model S P100D
What other fun toys can be enabled with SDS? I have a good relationship with my SA and I'd like to give him a list of everything once as opposed to multiple requests.
The one lack of feature that is driving me nuts is the inability to do a one touch close of the sunroof while driving. Every car since my 93 Honda civic has had this feature. I shouldn't be forced to drive with one hand for 5-10 seconds because the other hand is holding the sunroof close button.
FWIW it is the holidays.. Stop by your SA with a little card and a bottle of wine. It really help to have a good relationship with your SA for stuff like this and to have someone who will look out for you for other issues that may come up.
The one lack of feature that is driving me nuts is the inability to do a one touch close of the sunroof while driving. Every car since my 93 Honda civic has had this feature. I shouldn't be forced to drive with one hand for 5-10 seconds because the other hand is holding the sunroof close button.
FWIW it is the holidays.. Stop by your SA with a little card and a bottle of wine. It really help to have a good relationship with your SA for stuff like this and to have someone who will look out for you for other issues that may come up.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
I had mine done at Fletchur Jones in Newport Beach, CA. The sa name was Ray, can be reached at 949-718-3200. He connected the sds and was done in less than 5 min while I was watching/waiting.(No tech's involved) It was free of charge and was very simple work! He also enabled a few other stuff, but can't recalled...
House of import in Buena park and Caliber Motor in Anaheim Hills coudln't do it!
House of import in Buena park and Caliber Motor in Anaheim Hills coudln't do it!
I called MB Beverly Hills this afternoon and asked again. They told me that it's not that they CAN'T do it, but it's that MBUSA has told them NOT to do it. Apparently it's buggy and does still create issues (like it did in the pre-2007 models.) Eventually it'll get stuck in the down position and you have to go back to the dealer and reset it. Anyway, this is what they said. And that's why it was decontented to begin with. You'd think Daimler would just fix it instead of removing it altogether
See above. It's not that they don't know how to do it, but that they refuse. The bottom line is simply to find somebody willing to do it (the right dealer or an Indy with SDS.)
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,139
Likes: 41
Tesla Model S P100D
How is it that it is apparently working in other countries without getting stuck in the down position?
Thanks, I'll give Fletcher Jones a call. My Indy also has SDS and so maybe I'll have him do it.
I called MB Beverly Hills this afternoon and asked again. They told me that it's not that they CAN'T do it, but it's that MBUSA has told them NOT to do it. Apparently it's buggy and does still create issues (like it did in the pre-2007 models.) Eventually it'll get stuck in the down position and you have to go back to the dealer and reset it. Anyway, this is what they said. And that's why it was decontented to begin with. You'd think Daimler would just fix it instead of removing it altogether
See above. It's not that they don't know how to do it, but that they refuse. The bottom line is simply to find somebody willing to do it (the right dealer or an Indy with SDS.)
I called MB Beverly Hills this afternoon and asked again. They told me that it's not that they CAN'T do it, but it's that MBUSA has told them NOT to do it. Apparently it's buggy and does still create issues (like it did in the pre-2007 models.) Eventually it'll get stuck in the down position and you have to go back to the dealer and reset it. Anyway, this is what they said. And that's why it was decontented to begin with. You'd think Daimler would just fix it instead of removing it altogether
See above. It's not that they don't know how to do it, but that they refuse. The bottom line is simply to find somebody willing to do it (the right dealer or an Indy with SDS.)
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,017
Likes: 16
From: Ft. Lauderdale Area, USA
2015 ML 350
My '04 had a menu selection that said "Make Key Dependent*" or something like that. Change that setting. With "Key Dependent" turned ON, your car is considering the 2 keys and the 2 keyless starting possibilities as 4 different keys with 4 different memory settings. When you use the key alone, there is no mirror look down position that has been memorized for that key alone, but there IS 1 memorized for the Keyless operation when used with that key. Either memorize the "look down" position 4 times... Key 1, Key 2, KGo w/ Key 1, K Go w/ Key 2 with each of the 2 keys also or turn off the "Key Dependent" setting, so the car responds the same no matter which key or keyless is in use. Be sure only 1 key is near the car at a time while you program so as not to confuse the key receivers within the car.
* A now deleted menu choice due to customer confusion.
* A now deleted menu choice due to customer confusion.
Last edited by Barry45RPM; Dec 28, 2010 at 04:29 PM.
Banned
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 0
Likes: 118
My '04 had a menu selection that said "Make Key Dependent" or something like that. Change that setting. You car is considering the 2 keys and the 2 keyless starting possibilities as 4 different keys with 4 different memory settings. When you use the key, there is no mirror look down position that has been memorized for that key. Either memorize it with each of the 2 keys also or change the "Key Dependent" setting.
When you're in reverse gear you can adjust the angle of the mirror how you want it. Once you did that press M to enter memory mode, then press 1, 2 or 3 (depending which number stores your personal settings) then press and hold M again for 3 to 5 seconds to store the settings incl. your parking position mirror setting. You're all set.
When you switch to D the mirror takes about 5 seconds to move back up. This is done that way b/c sometimes you need to go back and forth to park correctly and the mirror doesn't have to move up and down which takes some time.
