Small Blue "supercharger" fans for air intake
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Are ou talking about the electric fans fom fleabay? Don't waste your time. If you had a .5 litter maybe, but it would suck so much amps that you'd loose power when engine would try to run the alternator.
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The who? Hey, I'm just a regular guy who has owned 5-6 Mercedes in my 63 years......I don't know if this gadget actually boost HP...what I CAN tell you is how the acceleration of my car feels w/these. I don't sell them (I'm a lawyer; not a sales shill). They also claim that this thing improves MPG a bit....I'll monitor that & report back. Sorry!
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Claude: If you are legit, which it sounds like, I apologize for the snark. Of the three possible interpretations of your first post (naif, shill, troll), my reply was appropriate for the latter two. Speaking as a 64 year-old lawyer (seriously!) with his first Mercedes (but also as a car guy who is the current owner of a BMW M Roadster, Kawasaki ZR-7S, and the former owner of an Alfa Romeo, Jaguar XK-E, and the builder and autocrosser of a Dutton Phaeton kit car, powered by a Ford Zetec twin-cam), what you are feeling is the effect of wishful thinking. To use a legal analogy, it's like a client who now believes his own story. I tried to find a legitimate dyno comparison, but can't access them from work. You may want to do some reading on the performance car forums.
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Claude,
Are you talking about the Tornado metal fin inserts?
If so, i can assure you it "feels” like the car has more go, but it does not.
I bet the improvement you are talking about is just in that split second or two off the line?
Well at low RPM it actually does help when the air flows ever so casually and gets the swirl effect to glide through the intake better. As soon as you open that throttle and air starts flowing with ever increasing volume, the fins actually start having a negative effect and slow down the air. The fins have to be variable in order to give the same effect at lower and upper RPM ranges when there is less and more air moving.
A while ago I actually tried using it on my Lexus, and it worked for the first few hundred RPM and then the car lost power and gas mileage when engine needed more air.
Are you talking about the Tornado metal fin inserts?
If so, i can assure you it "feels” like the car has more go, but it does not.
I bet the improvement you are talking about is just in that split second or two off the line?
Well at low RPM it actually does help when the air flows ever so casually and gets the swirl effect to glide through the intake better. As soon as you open that throttle and air starts flowing with ever increasing volume, the fins actually start having a negative effect and slow down the air. The fins have to be variable in order to give the same effect at lower and upper RPM ranges when there is less and more air moving.
A while ago I actually tried using it on my Lexus, and it worked for the first few hundred RPM and then the car lost power and gas mileage when engine needed more air.
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Claude: If you are legit, which it sounds like, I apologize for the snark. Of the three possible interpretations of your first post (naif, shill, troll), my reply was appropriate for the latter two. Speaking as a 64 year-old lawyer (seriously!) with his first Mercedes (but also as a car guy who is the current owner of a BMW M Roadster, Kawasaki ZR-7S, and the former owner of an Alfa Romeo, Jaguar XK-E, and the builder and autocrosser of a Dutton Phaeton kit car, powered by a Ford Zetec twin-cam), what you are feeling is the effect of wishful thinking. To use a legal analogy, it's like a client who now believes his own story. I tried to find a legitimate dyno comparison, but can't access them from work. You may want to do some reading on the performance car forums.
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Claude,
Are you talking about the Tornado metal fin inserts?
If so, i can assure you it "feels” like the car has more go, but it does not.
I bet the improvement you are talking about is just in that split second or two off the line?
Well at low RPM it actually does help when the air flows ever so casually and gets the swirl effect to glide through the intake better. As soon as you open that throttle and air starts flowing with ever increasing volume, the fins actually start having a negative effect and slow down the air. The fins have to be variable in order to give the same effect at lower and upper RPM ranges when there is less and more air moving.
A while ago I actually tried using it on my Lexus, and it worked for the first few hundred RPM and then the car lost power and gas mileage when engine needed more air.
Are you talking about the Tornado metal fin inserts?
If so, i can assure you it "feels” like the car has more go, but it does not.
I bet the improvement you are talking about is just in that split second or two off the line?
Well at low RPM it actually does help when the air flows ever so casually and gets the swirl effect to glide through the intake better. As soon as you open that throttle and air starts flowing with ever increasing volume, the fins actually start having a negative effect and slow down the air. The fins have to be variable in order to give the same effect at lower and upper RPM ranges when there is less and more air moving.
A while ago I actually tried using it on my Lexus, and it worked for the first few hundred RPM and then the car lost power and gas mileage when engine needed more air.
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Thanks for your thoughts....I guess there may be some wishful thinking here, but as you mention; it does seem to take off the line a bit harder and even squeal tires a bit at it.....I haven't tried it a full speed since I already got a warning from my friendly State trooper here in the DC area......and I am not a fan of real "high speed racing" as that can be very dangerous in traffic. Like I stated a minute ago...I'm ready for that e63 AMG!
oh, and the product is called the "AI Power Charger." I guess fopr $40 a pair at least they look good in the engine compartment......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOdv...layer_embedded
How do you see them in the engine compartment? Aren't they inside the intake tubes?
How do you see them in the engine compartment? Aren't they inside the intake tubes?
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OK, I wasn't going to beat a dead horse, I can't see the pictures from work and I haven't been able to use my home computer for a bit, but it sounds as if you may have disconnected the air feed between the filter and the engine intake. This means you're feeding unfiltered air to the engine, which may improve your horsepower and torque in the short run by removing the restriction of the filter, but decreases the longevity of the engine by allowing it to ingest dirt and debris from the air. That may have generated the power increase you feel, although my money's on the less restrictive exhaust, and the natural tendency to try out any mods by pressing the accelerator down harder than before.
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OK, I wasn't going to beat a dead horse, I can't see the pictures from work and I haven't been able to use my home computer for a bit, but it sounds as if you may have disconnected the air feed between the filter and the engine intake. This means you're feeding unfiltered air to the engine, which may improve your horsepower and torque in the short run by removing the restriction of the filter, but decreases the longevity of the engine by allowing it to ingest dirt and debris from the air. That may have generated the power increase you feel, although my money's on the less restrictive exhaust, and the natural tendency to try out any mods by pressing the accelerator down harder than before.
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Gladly, but being of a past generation, I'll have to wait until my younger wife comes home from her office so she may do this. I am not very computer savy.....it is surprisingly simple to do since a mechanical idiot like me did it in about 10 min..... while I post the picture I'll try & explain it. The 5 litre engine has two rubber "ducts" that go from the front grille of the car to two hard plastic tubes on each side of the big plastic cover on top that houses the 2 filters, etc. Next, take the two (about 13 inch) soft rubber ducts off, when you see the two hard plastic holes on the front sides of the filter assembly, just stick the "turbonators" there. You can also put back the two soft ducts back on if you want. I left mine off because the two blue "propellers" look kind of neat.
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Gladly, but being of a past generation, I'll have to wait until my younger wife comes home from her office so she may do this. I am not very computer savy.....it is surprisingly simple to do since a mechanical idiot like me did it in about 10 min..... while I post the picture I'll try & explain it. The 5 litre engine has two rubber "ducts" that go from the front grille of the car to two hard plastic tubes on each side of the big plastic cover on top that houses the 2 filters, etc. Next, take the two (about 13 inch) soft rubber ducts off, when you see the two hard plastic holes on the front sides of the filter assembly, just stick the "turbonators" there. You can also put back the two soft ducts back on if you want. I left mine off because the two blue "propellers" look kind of neat.
