ESP no crank
06-15-2013, 03:59 PM
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Ok that is a typical quick test!! So what and what do you mean by "thoughts" its your tool, it's your car---- what do you think you should do next.
I see loads of faults. I see loads of modules that can't communicate. I see a couple of good modules.
This is just too much-------------anyways----see that little eraser in the right side box, thats how you erase the faults-----now erase the faults------then go back and do another quick test-----post the test---does the ESP fault return??
By the way this aint no slam bam thank you mam job----it takes time so be patient
I see loads of faults. I see loads of modules that can't communicate. I see a couple of good modules.
This is just too much-------------anyways----see that little eraser in the right side box, thats how you erase the faults-----now erase the faults------then go back and do another quick test-----post the test---does the ESP fault return??
By the way this aint no slam bam thank you mam job----it takes time so be patient
06-15-2013, 08:39 PM
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Plutoe,
Forgive me. I have little experience with this level of diagnostics. I have used OBD scanners for years at a basic level. Most of my experience is with domestic diesels and VW TDIs. This car's electronics are far more advanced than I have ever worked with. The drivetrain is similar to our sprinters so I am somewhat familiar with it. I appreciate your time and efforts to help me. If you will guide me I will be a good student
My wife thanks you as well
Forgive me. I have little experience with this level of diagnostics. I have used OBD scanners for years at a basic level. Most of my experience is with domestic diesels and VW TDIs. This car's electronics are far more advanced than I have ever worked with. The drivetrain is similar to our sprinters so I am somewhat familiar with it. I appreciate your time and efforts to help me. If you will guide me I will be a good student
My wife thanks you as well
06-18-2013, 10:12 AM
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Yes, I have and yes I know where they are located. I have not gotten in depth with their communication with the rest of the system. I am going to pull those faults ASAP.
06-18-2013, 11:29 AM
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That quick test screen does not help much.
Try printing the summary that has all the errors fund, if the car does not even attempt to crank your answer will probably be there.
Try printing the summary that has all the errors fund, if the car does not even attempt to crank your answer will probably be there.
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06-18-2013, 11:52 AM
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Plutoe,
There is a fault that showed up for the ESP. The BCM keeps coming up as a function note...I included a screenshot of the other faults as well. I am a little confused by the SAM one... I have the original SAM in the car...wipers do not work...I wonder if a connection on the bottom is not fully engaged.
There is a fault that showed up for the ESP. The BCM keeps coming up as a function note...I included a screenshot of the other faults as well. I am a little confused by the SAM one... I have the original SAM in the car...wipers do not work...I wonder if a connection on the bottom is not fully engaged.
06-18-2013, 11:57 AM
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Perhaps your transmission 13 pin connector is filled with oil causing the ECT to not get valid readings, if I'm not mistaken the ECT must put out a good signal for the eis/das to unlock itself and start the car
06-18-2013, 12:49 PM
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You have no comm with the engine control module, forget the wipers.
Problem is the star can't help you much until you have comm, either your wiring is bad or your control unit is dead.
As a note I am given to understand you can not use a used engine control module as it is VIN linked.
Problem is the star can't help you much until you have comm, either your wiring is bad or your control unit is dead.
As a note I am given to understand you can not use a used engine control module as it is VIN linked.
06-18-2013, 02:27 PM
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You have no comm with the engine control module, forget the wipers.
Problem is the star can't help you much until you have comm, either your wiring is bad or your control unit is dead.
As a note I am given to understand you can not use a used engine control module as it is VIN linked.
Problem is the star can't help you much until you have comm, either your wiring is bad or your control unit is dead.
As a note I am given to understand you can not use a used engine control module as it is VIN linked.
i'm not necessarily saying this is the route to take with fixing your problem but yes, you must buy ECU, EIS, the key and possibly the gear selector also as one unit
06-18-2013, 03:07 PM
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The connector on the transmission is leaking...I have these in stock, it is the same as the sprinter. I have had them leak but did not realize that it could cause a no-crank situation.
06-18-2013, 03:56 PM
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these can cause all sorts of issues, be sure to soak the o rings in tranny fluid prior to installation and torque it to manual specs so you don't have to replace the conductor plate but i'm sure you knew this
my theory is, your transmission isn't sending the proper signal over the canbus to the EIS/DAS that everything is in order with the car so it can start
service the 13 pin plug, then disconnect the battery for half an hour, come back and i bet your car will start
my theory is, your transmission isn't sending the proper signal over the canbus to the EIS/DAS that everything is in order with the car so it can start
service the 13 pin plug, then disconnect the battery for half an hour, come back and i bet your car will start
06-18-2013, 04:09 PM
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the car is exhibiting symptoms similar to the no communication with ECU thing like the software you're using is suggesting, however if your ECU was bad the engine fan would run full blast (safe mode) in the event of an ECU failure so i think the problem is somewhere in the DAS/EIS or the tranny computer
06-21-2013, 05:59 PM
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My next step would be to try another module just to see if there is communication with star.
I'm thinking this is a job for s dealer our indie who have pays laying around. Can also buy a used module but as discussed above that will only serve as diagnostic as the car will not start with it.
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I'm thinking this is a job for s dealer our indie who have pays laying around. Can also buy a used module but as discussed above that will only serve as diagnostic as the car will not start with it.
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06-21-2013, 08:51 PM
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What exactly happens when you try to start it? The key goes in and then rotates? What does the engine do when you try to crank, a click noise or no noise at all? I just put in a bad tcu and now my car won't start so I think it might be your tcu cause mine was doing similar things
06-21-2013, 09:40 PM
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I was having the same exact issue when I started swapping out TCU's and then the car ran great for a few days, even took it on a 300 mile trip but now I'm dealing with conductor plate issues
I figured disconnecting the battery was what did the trick for me. I was also swapping between battery's along the time frame the car magically wanted to start again
I also bought a new battery in the process
I've read elsewhere that some people suggest a no start condition can be caused by a bad alternator on an electronically laden car like a Mercedes. I know it doesn't sound right but the advice comes from some mb techs so I'd consider it
I figured disconnecting the battery was what did the trick for me. I was also swapping between battery's along the time frame the car magically wanted to start again
I also bought a new battery in the process
I've read elsewhere that some people suggest a no start condition can be caused by a bad alternator on an electronically laden car like a Mercedes. I know it doesn't sound right but the advice comes from some mb techs so I'd consider it
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Was the no crank problem ever fixed?
I have a 2005 CDI has the same problem cranks when it feels like it should when does not you're stuck. All lights come on etc but no starter motor or even a click. It would happen was once in a blue moon at first. One day when it did happen in front of my house I grabbed a simple test light. I found no power to the red wire outside of the fuse box that I followed to the starter solenoid. I thought well I am stuck. What can it hurt? It is just like using a remote starter switch. I went inside the car turned the key on- then ran the wire to the battery and the red solenoid wire near the fuse box and she fired right up. Now I am using a jumper wire to start it 50 percent of the Time. So hence the questions was it ever resolved? Thank you for any help on this matter.
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2006 e350 no crank or intermittent no crank.. . Under hood relay ki 😉 replace
We have a 2005 E320 CDI with almost 120k on it. Several times late this summer it left my wife stranded. Three times on hot days she shut the car off returned a short time later and it wouldn't crank. Once the car cooled off it would restart with no indication there was ever a problem. Last week it did it again and it hasn't cranked since.
It has acted the same every time. All the dash lights light up...ESP malfunction is displayed...everything works electrically...no crank...no click...nadda. One of the times it did this I tried to scan it for codes and it had a connection error. I switched a few relays... no change.
I have found a few cases of this in various forums but the only one that posted that it had been fixed, didn't really know which module caused the problem. The battery module and "some other module" were replaced and the car was fixed. There are other cases of this with the cooling fan blowing full bore when the car is keyed on. In those cases it seems it is the ECM.
How do I go about testing this? Even better, does someone know what causes this? Thanks, JR
It has acted the same every time. All the dash lights light up...ESP malfunction is displayed...everything works electrically...no crank...no click...nadda. One of the times it did this I tried to scan it for codes and it had a connection error. I switched a few relays... no change.
I have found a few cases of this in various forums but the only one that posted that it had been fixed, didn't really know which module caused the problem. The battery module and "some other module" were replaced and the car was fixed. There are other cases of this with the cooling fan blowing full bore when the car is keyed on. In those cases it seems it is the ECM.
How do I go about testing this? Even better, does someone know what causes this?
Thanks, JR
