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Old 09-25-2018, 03:51 PM
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OK, I finally got photos of the offending piece. They took the photos for me and sent them to me. It looks like it's the end of part number


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Old 09-25-2018, 03:57 PM
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Old 10-01-2018, 03:24 PM
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Got my car back w/ the exhaust completely unattached. Luckily I found an old school muffler shop that welded it back together for me.

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Old 10-01-2018, 03:26 PM
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I also noticed on the paperwork for the SBC replacement, it said that the reservoir was actually at fault but that the part was "no longer available" so they replaced the entire unit. I looked at the unit and it's definitely an updated piece. The reservoir on the back isn't the dome looking piece the old one had.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:06 PM
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That clamp is rusted to ****, no wonder they want to replace it.

Have you, not a service guy, checked with their parts department to see if that clamp is available separately?
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Old 10-08-2018, 10:37 AM
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That clamp is rusted to ****, no wonder they want to replace it.

Have you, not a service guy, checked with their parts department to see if that clamp is available separately?
They don't sell that bracket as a replacement part. It's part of the muffler itself. I ended up just welding it together.
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Old 10-22-2018, 09:48 AM
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My '05 E320 is at the dealer right now for the SBC warranty work, however they said the system checks out fine and are not replacing it at this time. This is frustrating because I've experienced ~5 failures of the system while driving. The dash goes red and brake power is severely compromised. I pull over, restart, and everything is back to normal with no error messages. Needless to say, the system does not give me confidence. Anybody have recommendations as to what I could possibly do to get MB to replace the system when the problem is intermittent?

btw, my vehicle has ~180k miles and the last time I checked STAR, my SBC system has around 900k actuations clocked. Dealer also notified me that my brake fluid is very old and needs flushing. I will be doing this job this week. Can old brake fluid cause SBC failure?

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Old 10-22-2018, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by danielgetsthis View Post
. Can old brake fluid cause SBC failure?

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I hope you at least changed the engine oil on those 180k miles?
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Old 10-22-2018, 03:38 PM
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I hope you at least changed the engine oil on those 180k miles?
The car is relatively new to me, but yes, I have been changing it every 10k. I assumed the PO was on top of the brake fluid service, but I was wrong. I'm replacing the brake fluid tomorrow
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by danielgetsthis View Post
My '05 E320 is at the dealer right now for the SBC warranty work, however they said the system checks out fine and are not replacing it at this time. This is frustrating because I've experienced ~5 failures of the system while driving. The dash goes red and brake power is severely compromised. I pull over, restart, and everything is back to normal with no error messages. Needless to say, the system does not give me confidence. Anybody have recommendations as to what I could possibly do to get MB to replace the system when the problem is intermittent?

btw, my vehicle has ~180k miles and the last time I checked STAR, my SBC system has around 900k actuations clocked. Dealer also notified me that my brake fluid is very old and needs flushing. I will be doing this job this week. Can old brake fluid cause SBC failure?

Thanks all,
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Hello Daniel, Any updates? just wondering what your outcome was. Did the dealer honour the extended warranty? I just picked up an 06 320 CDI for my daughter, 290k miles. Very good condition. Not sure if the SBC warranty work was done or not but I'm going to look into it.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:53 AM
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No update yet. I'm waiting a little bit of time before going back and trying again.
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Originally Posted by ironforger View Post
Hello Daniel, Any updates? just wondering what your outcome was. Did the dealer honour the extended warranty? I just picked up an 06 320 CDI for my daughter, 290k miles. Very good condition. Not sure if the SBC warranty work was done or not but I'm going to look into it.
Remember, it's a 25 year extended warranty. Not a recall. A recall means they do the work regardless if it failed or not. With an extended warranty, they just fix it when it breaks, not before. I suppose you could take it in and ask the status of it and maybe if the counter is up there, maybe they'll replace the pump, but they might just say it's fine for now and hit you with the diagnostic charge.
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:21 PM
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Remember, it's a 25 year extended warranty. Not a recall. A recall means they do the work regardless if it failed or not. With an extended warranty, they just fix it when it breaks, not before. I suppose you could take it in and ask the status of it and maybe if the counter is up there, maybe they'll replace the pump, but they might just say it's fine for now and hit you with the diagnostic charge.
Cetialpha5: Thanks for clarifying this. Much appreciated. So the dealer takes the counter value into consideration?

In the meantime, does this mean I should NOT find someone (with a STAR?) to reset the counter? I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. If a high count means better probability of pump replace under warranty then..... well thats something to consider. The car we got has 290k miles so I'm guessing the counter is way high unless it's been previously addressed. I have some MB service records for the car, but I see no mention of this.
I read somewhere that once the counter reaches a certain threshold the brake system goes into a fail mode by default? Is this true?

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Cetialpha5: Thanks for clarifying this. Much appreciated. So the dealer takes the counter value into consideration?

In the meantime, does this mean I should NOT find someone (with a STAR?) to reset the counter? I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. If a high count means better probability of pump replace under warranty then..... well thats something to consider. The car we got has 290k miles so I'm guessing the counter is way high unless it's been previously addressed. I have some MB service records for the car, but I see no mention of this.
I read somewhere that once the counter reaches a certain threshold the brake system goes into a fail mode by default? Is this true?

Thanks again
I have no idea if they take the counter value into consideration. That would be you asking and letting us know! I believe based on past threads, you get a warning message once the counter hits a certain number and the brakes can fail at any point after that. By resetting the counter, you just eliminate the warning message. You could probably have it replaced if you have the warning message. So I wouldn't have the counter reset. It can go a long while before it actually fails once the warning message comes up, MB is a little conservative on the number which is why some people just reset the counter. But if MB is paying for the replacement now, you mind as well just take it in once you get the warning message. You can have someone read the number so you can see how much further you have to go.
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:36 PM
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I have no idea if they take the counter value into consideration. That would be you asking and letting us know! I believe based on past threads, you get a warning message once the counter hits a certain number and the brakes can fail at any point after that. By resetting the counter, you just eliminate the warning message. You could probably have it replaced if you have the warning message. So I wouldn't have the counter reset. It can go a long while before it actually fails once the warning message comes up, MB is a little conservative on the number which is why some people just reset the counter. But if MB is paying for the replacement now, you mind as well just take it in once you get the warning message. You can have someone read the number so you can see how much further you have to go.
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Any idea what that "certain number" threshold is when you get the warning message?
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