New Diesel E here in US now!
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New Diesel E here in US now!
Well, at least here in the US at the Chicago Auto Show which opened today (2/6/04) as reported by the ChicagoTribune website. Anyone attending? Welcome hearing any reports on what is being said by the demonstrators at the show regarding dealer availability, etc..
The New York Auto show in April apparently gets to debut the new 2005 SLK on our shores following its public unveiling at the Geneva Auto Show in March.
The New York Auto show in April apparently gets to debut the new 2005 SLK on our shores following its public unveiling at the Geneva Auto Show in March.
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The major problem with your wish is that because of the fuel that is used in the USA the engine will have to be serviced every 4600 miles (as stated in the Mercedes-Benz manual)
The terrific savings that you will make in fuel economy will be negated by the servicing cost.
Sorry to convey the bad news
John
The terrific savings that you will make in fuel economy will be negated by the servicing cost.
Sorry to convey the bad news
John
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Originally posted by glojo
The major problem with your wish is that because of the fuel that is used in the USA the engine will have to be serviced every 4600 miles (as stated in the Mercedes-Benz manual)
The terrific savings that you will make in fuel economy will be negated by the servicing cost.
Sorry to convey the bad news
John
The major problem with your wish is that because of the fuel that is used in the USA the engine will have to be serviced every 4600 miles (as stated in the Mercedes-Benz manual)
The terrific savings that you will make in fuel economy will be negated by the servicing cost.
Sorry to convey the bad news
John
What type of service? If it's an oil change, that's nothing new for diesels. They have shorter change intervals than gas/petrol engines. If and when I finally get a new Mercedes, I'll be ignoring the FSS system and servicing my car at much shorter intervals. Oil is cheap and so is my labor.
However, I am concerned about the quality of fuel in the US because these new rail injected engines are supposed to require good fuel to operate correctly. We haven't got either good diesel or gas/petrol in the US.
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Unfortunately I have no idea of the service requirements, but my last CDI was serviced at approximately every 22,000 miles.
As I have previously stated the servicing is managed by the ASSYST plus and that dictates what work is required.
I am sure you will be impressed with the CDI performance, especially if you get the 400CDI.
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John
As I have previously stated the servicing is managed by the ASSYST plus and that dictates what work is required.
I am sure you will be impressed with the CDI performance, especially if you get the 400CDI.
Regards,
John
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Originally posted by Adobe
John,
What type of service? If it's an oil change, that's nothing new for diesels. They have shorter change intervals than gas/petrol engines. Bud
John,
What type of service? If it's an oil change, that's nothing new for diesels. They have shorter change intervals than gas/petrol engines. Bud
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Are you alright?
Are you alright?
Even with somewhat larger oil capacities there is nothing to justify the big difference that MB now propose for oil change intervals over the past. Their motivation seems to be to make German ecologists happy.
Even though my old 190D had steel cylinder liners and valve seats, MB recommended 2,500 mile oil change intervals under most conditions. These engines would go 4-500K w/o much trouble.
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You've got to remember that both fuel and lubrication technologies have come a long way since then.
Sure, changing more often won't do any harm, but maybe better off buying your better half a bunch of flowers to keep her sweet!
Sure, changing more often won't do any harm, but maybe better off buying your better half a bunch of flowers to keep her sweet!
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Originally posted by Fastbuck
You've got to remember that both fuel and lubrication technologies have come a long way since then.
Sure, changing more often won't do any harm, but maybe better off buying your better half a bunch of flowers to keep her sweet!
You've got to remember that both fuel and lubrication technologies have come a long way since then.
Sure, changing more often won't do any harm, but maybe better off buying your better half a bunch of flowers to keep her sweet!
Gasoline where I live is not as good as it used to be in Minnesota because it's loaded with junk that (arguably) reduces emissions in the Phoenix area.
New Mercedes engines have aluminum/silicone sleeves which are not as tough as the steel sleeves in the 190D nor any better than the cast iron block of the M103 engine.
Recent changes in servicing recommendations are driven by things other than reliability. Low viscosity oils are recommended to help companies with their CAFE averages. Extended oil change intervals are recommended to help German auto companies with pressure to meet certain ecology goals.
New Ultra Low Emissions Vehicles run even hotter than older engines. If anything, new engines should have even stricter servicing guidelines.
Of course if I bought a new car as often as car salesmen want me to I wouldn't have to worry about it. But then again I wouldn't be able to spend money on Leicas or Linksys home networks or trips to Canada or golf carts or....
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Adobe, why aren't you looking in a diesel specific oil.. ex. Delvac 1 by Mobil, Amsoil....
Using oil specific for a gasoline engine isn't the best. Doesn't suspend the soot as well as a diesel specific oil...
Using oil specific for a gasoline engine isn't the best. Doesn't suspend the soot as well as a diesel specific oil...
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Adobe you are seriously misinformed - at least in the case of modern diesels. I'm not sure about any specific recommendations relative to the new CDI that's showing up soon, but on a whole, modern HPCR diesels are as easy or easier on the oil than a gasser. Diesel oils are far different in additive chemistry when compared to a CF gasoline oil. They have different needs. After one year and 5000 miles on my '99 E300 running Delvac 1 5w40 (A CI-4 Certified diesel oil) I only had 6ppm of iron in my oil analysis, and the tbn was at 10 after a year. All other aspects were also fantastic. This car can easily follow the 10-15k intervals of FSS on proper CI-4 synthetic oils that are designated for extended drain intervals. MB actually has a list of these that they have approved.
My guess is that the new CDI will have pretty reasonable/long oil drains - but then again, depending on how high they have the EGR turned up to meet US emissions, the oil could get sooty. Hard to speculate at this point.
My guess is that the new CDI will have pretty reasonable/long oil drains - but then again, depending on how high they have the EGR turned up to meet US emissions, the oil could get sooty. Hard to speculate at this point.
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Originally posted by michakaveli
Adobe, why aren't you looking in a diesel specific oil.. ex. Delvac 1 by Mobil, Amsoil....
Using oil specific for a gasoline engine isn't the best. Doesn't suspend the soot as well as a diesel specific oil...
Adobe, why aren't you looking in a diesel specific oil.. ex. Delvac 1 by Mobil, Amsoil....
Using oil specific for a gasoline engine isn't the best. Doesn't suspend the soot as well as a diesel specific oil...
Here's the later list of oil recommendations from Mercedes. It's a bit confusing about late CDI engines with particulate filters.
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Extract from manual:
The engine oil should be changed every 4,600 miles (7,500km) in countries where only diesel fuel with a sulphur content exceeding 0.5 per cent by weight is available.
The following may lead to increased wear or engine damage:
Using diesel which does not meet the requirements of EN 590
Using marine diesel fuel
Using heating oil
Using vegetable oil methyl ester (VME)
Your warranty entitlement will be restricted if you use non-approved fuels and/or fuel additives such as these.
I don't know if this extract is of any use, but no doubt Mercedes-Benz USA will be aware of your sulphur fuel content and adjust the ASSYST Plus accordingly.
I cannot comment on types of oil that may or may not be suitable for any US engine as my manual refers only to oils that are suitable for EURO4-standard engines with a diesel particle filter.
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The engine oil should be changed every 4,600 miles (7,500km) in countries where only diesel fuel with a sulphur content exceeding 0.5 per cent by weight is available.
The following may lead to increased wear or engine damage:
Using diesel which does not meet the requirements of EN 590
Using marine diesel fuel
Using heating oil
Using vegetable oil methyl ester (VME)
Your warranty entitlement will be restricted if you use non-approved fuels and/or fuel additives such as these.
I don't know if this extract is of any use, but no doubt Mercedes-Benz USA will be aware of your sulphur fuel content and adjust the ASSYST Plus accordingly.
I cannot comment on types of oil that may or may not be suitable for any US engine as my manual refers only to oils that are suitable for EURO4-standard engines with a diesel particle filter.
Regards,
John
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Our sulfur doesn't exceed 500ppm- thats the limit. MOst fuel typically is in the 350ppm range.
Adobe - sorry to hear you used the wrong oil for so long but glad it worked for you. In 7500 miles on D1 the level does not change on the dipstick..
Adobe - sorry to hear you used the wrong oil for so long but glad it worked for you. In 7500 miles on D1 the level does not change on the dipstick..
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Also the new HPCR CDI engines burn WAY WAY WAY cleaner than our '96-99 IDI diesels do, meaning the oil lasts longer. For example, after changing the oil and driving around the block in my E300, the oil is black again. In my Cummins after 4000 miles it's still clear on the dipstick..... 
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I can't wait for 2006 when the country switches to 15ppm ultra low sulfur diesel! It will be the end of a long era of smoky dump trucks, semis, etc. Great for sufferers of respiratory ailments etc, and the tree hugger ppl will be happy at least for a little while I hope.
We will also see a big inflow of more cool euro diesels at that point, since they will be able to then meet emissions with the ULSD =] Twin turbo diesel S class anyone?
We will also see a big inflow of more cool euro diesels at that point, since they will be able to then meet emissions with the ULSD =] Twin turbo diesel S class anyone?
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I am trying to find out the ppm of our diesel at present, but so far all I can find out is that it must not exceed 150 ppm and by 2005 it must not exceed 50 ppm.
No doubt a more experienced surfer will be able to update this.
John
No doubt a more experienced surfer will be able to update this.
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Looks like Shell are at or below the 50ppm level already.
"Shell Diesel is a highly refined, ultra low sulphur diesel fuel which, when compared with standard diesel, has a reduced sulphur level of more than 90%. Using Shell Diesel will significantly reduce smoke and particulate pollution from your vehicle, which will help to contribute towards improving local air quality. Shell Diesel already meets known Year 2005 Emission standards"
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"Shell Diesel is a highly refined, ultra low sulphur diesel fuel which, when compared with standard diesel, has a reduced sulphur level of more than 90%. Using Shell Diesel will significantly reduce smoke and particulate pollution from your vehicle, which will help to contribute towards improving local air quality. Shell Diesel already meets known Year 2005 Emission standards"
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I found this from the Detroit Auto Show that was held in January. It says they go on sale in April and will cost more than the E320. Maybe I CAN get one at the factory in September
2005 Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI
Mercedes-Benz returns to the American market with yet another diesel engine in the E320 CDI. Basically an E-Class with a diesel engine, the CDI goes on sale in April with a combined EPA average of over 35 mpg and a cruising range of nearly 600 miles. Its heart is a 6-cylinder turbocharged diesel that makes 201 horsepower and 369 pounds-feet of torque. That's enough power to propel the E320 CDI from 0-60 mpg in just 7.7 seconds. Though prices were not announced, expect the CDI to come in at somewhere between $47,000 for the gas E320 and $55,000 for the E500.
2005 Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI
Mercedes-Benz returns to the American market with yet another diesel engine in the E320 CDI. Basically an E-Class with a diesel engine, the CDI goes on sale in April with a combined EPA average of over 35 mpg and a cruising range of nearly 600 miles. Its heart is a 6-cylinder turbocharged diesel that makes 201 horsepower and 369 pounds-feet of torque. That's enough power to propel the E320 CDI from 0-60 mpg in just 7.7 seconds. Though prices were not announced, expect the CDI to come in at somewhere between $47,000 for the gas E320 and $55,000 for the E500.
