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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 12:26 PM
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Broke my alternator?

Had my car (2006 E500) in an ind. shop today troubleshooting faults. Shop ran down the battery to under 11V, then tried to start. Of course, too little voltage. So, they jumped it. Car was on a multiplexer and was in the process of writing climate control module, I think.

From that moment, no charging, and also multiplexer was non-responsive.

Of course shop claims no relation between any events and my now broken alternator. They also don't see the correlation with the damaged multiplexer.

Anyway, car is still broken and hopefully nothing else is damaged (battery control module, for example).

If anyone has a comment about the likely cause and possible damage, I'd appreciate it. The shop said there is never any issue jump starting same model car, and I told them I'm not convinced. Please comment if you have info. Additional info -- Battery was 1 month old (both), engine replaced last week (wife crossing water in a storm and decided to accelerate for some reason), and all components were working fine. I replaced both bearings in the alternator during the engine swap, but kept original alternator. Function check was fine, and car ran great for two weeks after new engine. Shop said issue is not the regulator.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 12:51 PM
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You replaced bearings on old alternator, but left old brushes aka voltage regulator?
How old are they?
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
You replaced bearings on old alternator, but left old brushes aka voltage regulator?
How old are they?
Good question. It was a spot-decision thing - slight noise when spinning pushed me to change, but I didn't change the regulator. Should have done that, I agree.

I'll post photos of the damage later if anyone is interested. Connecting rod went through the bottom of the engine case and punched through the oil pan. Intake manifold was full of water.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamisama
Good question. It was a spot-decision thing - slight noise when spinning pushed me to change, but I didn't change the regulator. Should have done that, I agree.

I'll post photos of the damage later if anyone is interested. Connecting rod went through the bottom of the engine case and punched through the oil pan. Intake manifold was full of water.
Damn, any idea as to why this damage occurred?
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 01:56 PM
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Maybe you just need to bite the bullet and get a new alternator.... with a core it isn't that expensive considering the job it does-and you could always replace it yourself if comfortable...
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 01:57 PM
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multiplexer is failing because alternator is crappy.... even though technically you should still be able to run a short test bad alternator or not....
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by zubin.p
Damn, any idea as to why this damage occurred?
Yeah - basically wife was driving in a deluge and was suddenly in 18 inches of water for a short distance. Would have been OK except she accelerated instead of moving out slowly. Water covered the intake ports beside the lights, and she ended up taking water into the cylinders. Hydrolock resulted, and a connecting rod broke. The rod inverted on the crankshaft and pointed down on the next stroke, punching through the case and subsequently through the oil pan.

I located a replacement same day and had it back in the next morning. All is good, very smooth running. I have a check engine light that I trace to the catalytic converters, and likely *(I think anyhow) they were plugged during the episode - or maybe before? I feel some reduced power when pushing the engine as compared to before. However, the new motor runs smooth and has about 40k miles, while the original had about 85k miles.

I am thinking to gut the cats instead of replacing them. I think I can do it from the top and keep them looking normal from underneath.













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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cmriv
Maybe you just need to bite the bullet and get a new alternator.... with a core it isn't that expensive considering the job it does-and you could always replace it yourself if comfortable...
I replaced with a used alternator. Multiplexer is fried and sending a new one from China.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamisama

I am thinking to gut the cats instead of replacing them.
Thanks for doing your part to keep our air clean.

When/if they catch you, if they decide to make an example out of you, you'll be able to buy quite few new cats for what they fine you.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee
Thanks for doing your part to keep our air clean.

When/if they catch you, if they decide to make an example out of you, you'll be able to buy quite few new cats for what they fine you.
Well that escalated quickly! Posting about some problems and I get threatened by a NY commercial real estate attorney.
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 08:42 AM
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Tree hugger alert!!!
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Old Dec 18, 2015 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamisama
Well that escalated quickly! Posting about some problems and I get threatened by a NY commercial real estate attorney.
Wrong guy. Same name. I once got a package for him; UPS corrected a bad address and his thing ended up at my place. Took a while to figure out.

Didn't threaten you, Pal. Just wanted you to realize that the penalties for doing that can be substantial. For me, it would never, ever be worth the risk.

I'm no tree-hugger, but every time I stand near some Newark taxi on which they have taken off the cats, I do appreciate the difference that they make.

And I do think that doing what you say you are going to do, if I understand it, is super-selfish.

And trying to "out" me is super-creepy.
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Old Dec 20, 2015 | 02:27 AM
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Fair enough, sorry for the mistake. Thanks for looking out for my welfare and I'm sad for your Newark taxi issues. I was actually hoping you were the attorney because I am looking at property in Manhasset.

Regarding the catalytic issues - I'm still just troublshooting codes and hoping to find there isn't any problem with the exhaust system.
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Old Dec 21, 2015 | 02:57 PM
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People gut their cats all the time. It is a pretty convenient alternative to dropping 800+ dollars on a new cat-when you could just gut your existing one....

And there is no such thing as clean air-according to the republicans they don't believe in climate change so smog is irrelevant.... All the soot and smog ships/diesels put out-1 more gutted cat can't cause that much harm...

Serious question though, who would catch him??? And i'm not asking that in a condescending way whatsoever.
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Old Dec 21, 2015 | 03:31 PM
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LOL about the political connection. Good news everyone - I don't have to change my political party or hide from the law just yet. Also if I ever go back to the good old USA I can take my car with me. Seems the erratic performance was due to bad coils and after I replaced three today the car drives great, the check engine light is off and I don't likely have to kill any cats. The best part was I paid only 80 USD for the coils.

I still don't consider myself above tinkering with exhaust for performance or necessity. I love clean air as much as the next guy but where I am (not USA) the air smells more like oil than anything else already. I drive my other car to work up to limiter speed (255 kmh) when it's safe to do so and don't even worry about it. I'm not endangering anyone in NY by guzzling gas or tuning my cars.
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