W211 performance upgrades help!!!
04-25-2018, 11:54 AM
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W211 performance upgrades help!!!
Okay i have a w211 03 e500. Non 4-matic. It was airmatic equipped but i swapped it all out for BCRACING BR series coilovers. I have it very low and have decided i want to turn it in to a quick autocross car and still beable to drive with the family on the weekends. I absolutely love the 5.0 v8 in the car. Very peppy for the size. I have waxed several people and they cant believe they put a 5.0 in a car.... Guess they never heard of the e63 😂😂😂lol. Anyway. I have the car roughly the way i want it to look, simple. But now it time to go faster. I want to be right at 400whp and 500ft/tq (i push 300hp stock and about 270whp). So i need to gain about 130whp. But the catch is i want to stay naturally aspirated. No supercharger for now. Im doing secondary cat delete and maybe resanator delete? (Thoughts on this would be appreciated) and once i have the exhaust and bolt-ons done its going to eurocharged cincinnati for ecu and tcu tune ive already talked to my local shop and were good to go. The tune with full bolt on should easily be able to pull 50whp if not more. So all i really need to gain is about 80whp. I was thinking intakes, throttle body spacer, better plugs, headers, mufflers(since mine are tucked, rear bumper will need cut out) and cam. But not exactly sure on brands, sizes and best place to purchase everything. I know its a benz so everything is expensive but i just want build a quick track car for as cheap as possible but i also dont want to buy junk. Any ideas or help would be awesome!!! Thanks ahead of time.
04-25-2018, 06:04 PM
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2010 E63 AMG, 2003 E500
No way you'll get to 400 whp with just bolt-ons.
On my 2003 E500 I've done air box mods and Green filters, AMG exhaust, Sprint Booster, Eurocharged mid-length headers and ECU tune.
Car is definitely faster than stock but by exactly how much I couldn't tell you.
I do plan on getting a VBox to test the improvement of zero to sixty and quarter mile times.
Hoping to run a 5 flat - stock time is around 5.8.
On my 2003 E500 I've done air box mods and Green filters, AMG exhaust, Sprint Booster, Eurocharged mid-length headers and ECU tune.
Car is definitely faster than stock but by exactly how much I couldn't tell you.
I do plan on getting a VBox to test the improvement of zero to sixty and quarter mile times.
Hoping to run a 5 flat - stock time is around 5.8.
04-25-2018, 08:29 PM
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No way you'll get to 400 whp with just bolt-ons.
On my 2003 E500 I've done air box mods and Green filters, AMG exhaust, Sprint Booster, Eurocharged mid-length headers and ECU tune.
Car is definitely faster than stock but by exactly how much I couldn't tell you.
I do plan on getting a VBox to test the improvement of zero to sixty and quarter mile times.
Hoping to run a 5 flat - stock time is around 5.8.
On my 2003 E500 I've done air box mods and Green filters, AMG exhaust, Sprint Booster, Eurocharged mid-length headers and ECU tune.
Car is definitely faster than stock but by exactly how much I couldn't tell you.
I do plan on getting a VBox to test the improvement of zero to sixty and quarter mile times.
Hoping to run a 5 flat - stock time is around 5.8.
04-25-2018, 08:31 PM
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Time for an E55 AMG. You'll end up cheaper, I'll bet. You're going to quickly run into the point of diminishing returns, where each horsepower gained costs more than the previous. You'll also need to make sure that everything downstream of the motor can handle the power.
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04-29-2018, 12:11 PM
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thats unheard of in Europe. From e500 u get Standard avantgarde.
04-29-2018, 08:38 PM
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04-29-2018, 08:49 PM
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thought about it but i love n/a. With 2 kids and wife dont have the funds at the moment to buy e63. I own everything. I do payments on nothing. Ill do cam, exhaust, dyno tune, intakes and tcu tune and ill be atleast snappy enough to keep up on a track(should be right around 350whp. Thats the goal here cheap track car. I could have the car literally on the ground but with my exhaust issue won't allow me but the point of the suspension isnt to be low. Its to out handle any airmatic car. And it does with ease. It actually feels like a car with a true heart. It hugs corners like on rails with no concern. If you say you take high speed turns in your airmatic happily. Your a liar or never driven a car that can really handle. Only thing close is my 540i m sport but even at that the response is instant. No play what so ever. Cant wait to open the exhaust up and tune, to see it really open up.
04-29-2018, 09:24 PM
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**** what anyone else says! Do what YOU like and can AFFORD. You can get a e500 at 350whp, get it track ready for under 10 grand. Can you get a e55 for less? Maybe. But i love the fact of naturally aspirated. Anything can be fast with forced induction or bought off the showroom with e63 but building fast track car is different.
04-30-2018, 03:37 AM
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Ive converted airmatic to coil on w220 2004. It was better then airmatic. But indeed, of u dont have the Funds, better stay with this car.
04-30-2018, 09:19 AM
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to each their own. It's your money and your car. I understand where op is coming from. I also understand the investment not being systematically justifiable in the end. However it's your wallet and do as you please. There's a guy in NY that added a turbo to his E500. He races it all the time and is whoopin up on "off the showroom floor" racecars per-say.
04-30-2018, 04:12 PM
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**** what anyone else says! Do what YOU like and can AFFORD. You can get a e500 at 350whp, get it track ready for under 10 grand. Can you get a e55 for less? Maybe. But i love the fact of naturally aspirated. Anything can be fast with forced induction or bought off the showroom with e63 but building fast track car is different.
It's easy for people to say it's not worth it to upgrade an E500 and just go buy an E55.
Not everyone's in a financial position to purchase whatever kind of vehicle they want.
My previous car, a 2002 E320, was totalled while parked on the street by a drunk driver and I got $5k in settlement funds from the guy's insurance company.
There was no way I wanted a monthly car payment so I purchased the best used Benz I could find with the money made available to me.
I paid $5k in cash for my 2003 E500 with 86k miles in November of 2016 and have really grown to love this car.
After the purchase I decided to upgrade it the best I could and make it as fast as possible.
The car is much more driveable now and the throttle response is significantly improved.
Do I wish I could afford and drive an E55 - yes.
Am I extremely happy with my modded E500 - YES.
05-04-2018, 05:12 PM
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Thanks, I was being sarcastic about removing the mods.
It's easy for people to say it's not worth it to upgrade an E500 and just go buy an E55.
Not everyone's in a financial position to purchase whatever kind of vehicle they want.
My previous car, a 2002 E320, was totalled while parked on the street by a drunk driver and I got $5k in settlement funds from the guy's insurance company.
There was no way I wanted a monthly car payment so I purchased the best used Benz I could find with the money made available to me.
I paid $5k in cash for my 2003 E500 with 86k miles in November of 2016 and have really grown to love this car.
After the purchase I decided to upgrade it the best I could and make it as fast as possible.
The car is much more driveable now and the throttle response is significantly improved.
Do I wish I could afford and drive an E55 - yes.
Am I extremely happy with my modded E500 - YES.
It's easy for people to say it's not worth it to upgrade an E500 and just go buy an E55.
Not everyone's in a financial position to purchase whatever kind of vehicle they want.
My previous car, a 2002 E320, was totalled while parked on the street by a drunk driver and I got $5k in settlement funds from the guy's insurance company.
There was no way I wanted a monthly car payment so I purchased the best used Benz I could find with the money made available to me.
I paid $5k in cash for my 2003 E500 with 86k miles in November of 2016 and have really grown to love this car.
After the purchase I decided to upgrade it the best I could and make it as fast as possible.
The car is much more driveable now and the throttle response is significantly improved.
Do I wish I could afford and drive an E55 - yes.
Am I extremely happy with my modded E500 - YES.
05-04-2018, 06:00 PM
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Keep us updated on your mods T, it'll be interesting to see where you end up hp wise.
When I get my VBox I'll post up my zero to 60 and 1/4 mile times.
Happy motoring.
When I get my VBox I'll post up my zero to 60 and 1/4 mile times.
Happy motoring.
05-06-2018, 05:42 PM
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400hp will be expensive on e500 but check these sites
fabtech.com, they have very good looking intake and some cooling stuff.
kleemann.dk, ecu tune and headers.
vrpspeed.com, might have something for you.
fabtech.com, they have very good looking intake and some cooling stuff.
kleemann.dk, ecu tune and headers.
vrpspeed.com, might have something for you.
05-08-2018, 07:31 AM
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05-08-2018, 12:17 PM
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at the crank probably around 5-600 hp maybe more. By time it is transferred to the trans and rear end, it's decreased 20%. this is an assumption considering the E55 .6 trans holds up pretty well under stock conditions. Unless the internals/ratios are drastically diff. in the 55's trans's.
400whp is steep IMO. You'd have to have at least 500-550hp at the crank. And still that might not be achievable because of the ring and pinion ratio a normal e500 has, it can be done but it wont correlate to the pavement because of so many other variables. People always think throwing money at the engine and trans are what makes a drastic difference and in reality it's gearing. A stock w211 E63 with 4.88's vs a 750hp E55 with 2.82's or anything in the 2/3's is going to get smoke all day by the 4.88 in a drag race/0-60. A tune, intake, exhaust/LTH, cams and a decent ring and pinion is really all you need depending on what your desire is. You could also do things like bore the throttle body, intake manifold spacers, custom underdrive pullies, port and polish heads, port match intake manifold, deck the cylinder heads and on and on and on. IT really all depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are. Timing also plays a major culprit in performance as well.... Just my 2 cents.
400whp is steep IMO. You'd have to have at least 500-550hp at the crank. And still that might not be achievable because of the ring and pinion ratio a normal e500 has, it can be done but it wont correlate to the pavement because of so many other variables. People always think throwing money at the engine and trans are what makes a drastic difference and in reality it's gearing. A stock w211 E63 with 4.88's vs a 750hp E55 with 2.82's or anything in the 2/3's is going to get smoke all day by the 4.88 in a drag race/0-60. A tune, intake, exhaust/LTH, cams and a decent ring and pinion is really all you need depending on what your desire is. You could also do things like bore the throttle body, intake manifold spacers, custom underdrive pullies, port and polish heads, port match intake manifold, deck the cylinder heads and on and on and on. IT really all depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are. Timing also plays a major culprit in performance as well.... Just my 2 cents.
05-22-2018, 07:32 AM
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sounds good man. And will do. I should be getting my exhaust done next week. Then going to eurocharged for ecu tune. Debating on buying my own obd2 self tuner where for a small fee after any upgrade i can retune or there in house dyno tune and pull the most power out of it and see it for myself. Both around $800 that includes my tcu tune to. And they gurantee me 35whp. So thats damn good compared to kleenmans 20hp for $1000. But defenitly keep me updated look foward to seeing how it goes for you.
05-22-2018, 07:37 AM
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at the crank probably around 5-600 hp maybe more. By time it is transferred to the trans and rear end, it's decreased 20%. this is an assumption considering the E55 .6 trans holds up pretty well under stock conditions. Unless the internals/ratios are drastically diff. in the 55's trans's.
400whp is steep IMO. You'd have to have at least 500-550hp at the crank. And still that might not be achievable because of the ring and pinion ratio a normal e500 has, it can be done but it wont correlate to the pavement because of so many other variables. People always think throwing money at the engine and trans are what makes a drastic difference and in reality it's gearing. A stock w211 E63 with 4.88's vs a 750hp E55 with 2.82's or anything in the 2/3's is going to get smoke all day by the 4.88 in a drag race/0-60. A tune, intake, exhaust/LTH, cams and a decent ring and pinion is really all you need depending on what your desire is. You could also do things like bore the throttle body, intake manifold spacers, custom underdrive pullies, port and polish heads, port match intake manifold, deck the cylinder heads and on and on and on. IT really all depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are. Timing also plays a major culprit in performance as well.... Just my 2 cents.
400whp is steep IMO. You'd have to have at least 500-550hp at the crank. And still that might not be achievable because of the ring and pinion ratio a normal e500 has, it can be done but it wont correlate to the pavement because of so many other variables. People always think throwing money at the engine and trans are what makes a drastic difference and in reality it's gearing. A stock w211 E63 with 4.88's vs a 750hp E55 with 2.82's or anything in the 2/3's is going to get smoke all day by the 4.88 in a drag race/0-60. A tune, intake, exhaust/LTH, cams and a decent ring and pinion is really all you need depending on what your desire is. You could also do things like bore the throttle body, intake manifold spacers, custom underdrive pullies, port and polish heads, port match intake manifold, deck the cylinder heads and on and on and on. IT really all depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are. Timing also plays a major culprit in performance as well.... Just my 2 cents.
