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07-11-2004, 09:14 PM
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'05 E320 CDI;'04 S2k;'94 Supra TT;'10 QX56;'38 Buick;98 Port City Offset Late Model
It lies. It was for '05 CDIs built during the '04 production run. As my wife points out, if we had built the car for a July or early August delivery, it would have the feature I want!
07-11-2004, 10:17 PM
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'05 E320 CDI, ‘10 E63, ‘13 SL63, Sprinter 170
Well, David, things will get interesting then. I got slotted a car that was already in queue for a July/Aug delivery...basically my dealer got/swapped a slot a few weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what I get and I will make a stink if the REST feature is missing or cumbersome to use. I have used the timer ventilation feature in my BMWs, and I would use the REST feature in the MB. This crap pisses me off as well! 
07-11-2004, 10:45 PM
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was at dealer new 2005 e320's are in no center vent that is temp adjustable. the cdi I ordered was not in yet, but 2005 e320 are, no center vent, the decontent has begun, my car was prduced ~ june 1o th. sorry. you might want to see new cdi's before you go through with ed. BTW, I could not make the transistion from bmw 528 to CDI. one hours drive proved it. You got to be a desiel person to really like the car, IMHO
07-12-2004, 12:38 AM
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'05 E320 CDI;'04 S2k;'94 Supra TT;'10 QX56;'38 Buick;98 Port City Offset Late Model
It was a close call between the new 530 and the CDI for us. The MB V8 was too many $$$ for a pretty old engine design. The E320 petrol didn't have enough juice.
I thought the CDI was closer to our 530 thrn either the other MBs or the new 530s. Now I am having second thoughts.
I thought the CDI was closer to our 530 thrn either the other MBs or the new 530s. Now I am having second thoughts.
07-12-2004, 11:09 AM
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The E320 petrol didn't have enough juice.
1. e320 petrol has enough power for NJ drivers where NJ highways can only go up to 65 mph. (320 petrol has no problem reaching 100+ mph)
2. 320 cdi does NOT run faster than 320 petrol. (mbusa does NOT officially annouce 320 cdi can reach 0-60 in 6.8 seconds; 320 petrol 0-60 official record is 7.1 seconds, the real 320 cdi 0-60 should be around 7.5 to 7.7 seconds -- much slower than 320 petrol due to extra 200+ pounds weight.)
no doubt 530 can beat 320 eaily in performance (bmw 4 valves design provides more power than mb 3 valves design) but bmw or mb has different kinds of customers.
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07-12-2004, 11:55 AM
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'05 E320 CDI;'04 S2k;'94 Supra TT;'10 QX56;'38 Buick;98 Port City Offset Late Model
MBUSA gives a 0-60 time of 6.6 for the CDI vs 7 something for the 320. However that is not even the issue. Foot to the floor, the CDI is a reasonable engine. Foot to the floor the E320 seems likes a couch potato climbing 10 flights of stairs.
And Otto, you really have to get outside of those retirement communities. The average speed of traffic on all of the major roads I know of (Turnpike, Parkway, Rts 78, 80, and 287) is in the 75-80 range.
This is not a matter of sustained speed. You only need 50-60 hp to do 80. This is acceleration to and from those speeds. And at those speeds. NJ traffic is often cut and thrust. You need a lot of juice at you fingertips (ok, at your toes) to make it happen then.
I stand by my earlier comment. I'll also add that the BMW 3 liter doesn't feel as good in the E60 as it does in the the E39. And the E60 is supposed to be lighter and has a 6-speed automatic transmission.
And Otto, you really have to get outside of those retirement communities. The average speed of traffic on all of the major roads I know of (Turnpike, Parkway, Rts 78, 80, and 287) is in the 75-80 range.
This is not a matter of sustained speed. You only need 50-60 hp to do 80. This is acceleration to and from those speeds. And at those speeds. NJ traffic is often cut and thrust. You need a lot of juice at you fingertips (ok, at your toes) to make it happen then.
I stand by my earlier comment. I'll also add that the BMW 3 liter doesn't feel as good in the E60 as it does in the the E39. And the E60 is supposed to be lighter and has a 6-speed automatic transmission.
07-12-2004, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
It was a close call between the new 530 and the CDI for us. The MB V8 was too many $$$ for a pretty old engine design. The E320 petrol didn't have enough juice.
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07-12-2004, 12:24 PM
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'05 E320 CDI;'04 S2k;'94 Supra TT;'10 QX56;'38 Buick;98 Port City Offset Late Model
The CDI is a high pressure direct injection engine. And you're right, it is not up to the refinement levels of some newer diesel competitors. Or other MB CDI engines.
The V-8s were some strange MB idea to go with 3-valves and 2-plugs per cylinder instead of the 4-valve/1-plug arrangement virtually everyone else uses. That generation of MB engines never really matched its competitors for refinement.
The new MB (and BMW and Audi) engines are all high-pressure direct injection. They all also seem to raise the bar in refinement (the new Audis are frequently described as being the equal of the BMWs).
Anyway, I can now lament my choices: just live with the E320 CDI however it is; or cancel the order, rent a car for the vacation, and get a 530 (with the old engine) for US delivery (we can't schedule an ED or rearrange our vacation in a reasonable time period or for a reasonable cost). We haven't decided yet.
The V-8s were some strange MB idea to go with 3-valves and 2-plugs per cylinder instead of the 4-valve/1-plug arrangement virtually everyone else uses. That generation of MB engines never really matched its competitors for refinement.
The new MB (and BMW and Audi) engines are all high-pressure direct injection. They all also seem to raise the bar in refinement (the new Audis are frequently described as being the equal of the BMWs).
Anyway, I can now lament my choices: just live with the E320 CDI however it is; or cancel the order, rent a car for the vacation, and get a 530 (with the old engine) for US delivery (we can't schedule an ED or rearrange our vacation in a reasonable time period or for a reasonable cost). We haven't decided yet.
07-12-2004, 12:29 PM
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(mbusa does NOT officially annouce 320 cdi can reach 0-60 in 6.8 seconds
The 2005 E320 CDI
MSRP $49,795.00
Performance - Acceleration 0-60 mph in 6.6 seconds
Fuel economy - EPA estimate2 27 mpg; Highway estimate 37 mpg
Maximum driving range - 780 miles (fuel capacity X highway estimate)
full MBUSA specs here: http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...CDI&class=05_E
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
The CDI is a high pressure direct injection engine. And you're right, it is not up to the refinement levels of some newer diesel competitors. Or other MB CDI engines.
The V-8s were some strange MB idea to go with 3-valves and 2-plugs per cylinder instead of the 4-valve/1-plug arrangement virtually everyone else uses. That generation of MB engines never really matched its competitors for refinement.
The new MB (and BMW and Audi) engines are all high-pressure direct injection. They all also seem to raise the bar in refinement (the new Audis are frequently described as being the equal of the BMWs).
Anyway, I can now lament my choices: just live with the E320 CDI however it is; or cancel the order, rent a car for the vacation, and get a 530 (with the old engine) for US delivery (we can't schedule an ED or rearrange our vacation in a reasonable time period or for a reasonable cost). We haven't decided yet.
The V-8s were some strange MB idea to go with 3-valves and 2-plugs per cylinder instead of the 4-valve/1-plug arrangement virtually everyone else uses. That generation of MB engines never really matched its competitors for refinement.
The new MB (and BMW and Audi) engines are all high-pressure direct injection. They all also seem to raise the bar in refinement (the new Audis are frequently described as being the equal of the BMWs).
Anyway, I can now lament my choices: just live with the E320 CDI however it is; or cancel the order, rent a car for the vacation, and get a 530 (with the old engine) for US delivery (we can't schedule an ED or rearrange our vacation in a reasonable time period or for a reasonable cost). We haven't decided yet.
Well, I agree... you've been upset a long time, it's probably time to get over it. Even for someone that lives on the east coast!
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07-12-2004, 01:17 PM
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the reviews I have read of the SLK350 have said that the engine/drivetrain is a significant improvement over the 320. haven't seen anything on the new V8, I guess the first car to get that will be the new S class.
07-12-2004, 01:59 PM
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At the time it was designed, no one other than MB and Alfa thought they needed 2 plugs per cylinder. 5 years later even they don't. Modern engines can fire their plugs pretty accurately. And I don't think MB did anything fancy with stratified charge or flame travel. (By the way, stratified charge is one of the advantages of high-pressure, direct-injection.
At the time, the 4-valve/cylinder, high-pressure, direct-injection diesel was state of the art. It is the basic design that everyone has implemented since then. And when sold head-to-head with the comparable gas motor, it is usually considered preferable.
ALL new engines from virtuall all manufacturers will incorporate high-pressure direct-injection in the future. Including the new MB V-8, which I expect in time for the new S-class. Whether it makes the E-class update and comes to the US in '06 is the question.
By the way, BMW has a variable valve-lift feature on their new engines (not in the 5 series until 06) that is a step ahead of the competition.
At the time, the 4-valve/cylinder, high-pressure, direct-injection diesel was state of the art. It is the basic design that everyone has implemented since then. And when sold head-to-head with the comparable gas motor, it is usually considered preferable.
ALL new engines from virtuall all manufacturers will incorporate high-pressure direct-injection in the future. Including the new MB V-8, which I expect in time for the new S-class. Whether it makes the E-class update and comes to the US in '06 is the question.
By the way, BMW has a variable valve-lift feature on their new engines (not in the 5 series until 06) that is a step ahead of the competition.
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Foot to the floor the E320 seems likes a couch potato climbing 10 flights of stairs. And Otto, you really have to get outside of those retirement communities.
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
At the time it was designed, no one other than MB and Alfa thought they needed 2 plugs per cylinder. 5 years later even they don't. Modern engines can fire their plugs pretty accurately. And I don't think MB did anything fancy with stratified charge or flame travel. (By the way, stratified charge is one of the advantages of high-pressure, direct-injection.
All of this "state of the art" is fine and dandy, "refinement" is a pretty subjective word, but when it comes down to it, everyone's needs and reasons are different.
I prefer petrol engines and the low-end torque the 3-valve design gives to a gas engine works for me. Also, the reliability and fuel efficiency I see is another reason. While BMW engines are breaking, I'm enjoying great reliability (knock on wood). Obviously not everyone's experience is the same as mine, and we're eliminating the obvious electronics glitches that MB has.
The CDI engines have been no reliability star either. Ask anyone with a pre-CDI diesel Benz, and they will probably prefer the reliability of their engines to the extra power of the CDI. The 400CDI was a disaster initially, too.
I had 300hp and 25mpg on my C43 (30mpg on trips). Can't complain there.
I must admit, I am impressed that you've become an MBWorld senior member without even receiving the car, or even deciding if you will receive it!
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07-12-2004, 02:26 PM
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David , BMW is supposed to get larger i-6
but my dealer says not for 2005 model year, but I would not trust that info. there has been talk of 255 hp engine for 2nd year of e60 530/ it might happen. new 2005 bmw come in Oct / you will then know. As far as 0-60 time, mb says 6.6. road & track says 6.8 (tested) Car and driver 7.4 (also tested).
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'05 E320 CDI;'04 S2k;'94 Supra TT;'10 QX56;'38 Buick;98 Port City Offset Late Model
BMW announced the new 6 for the 635 (it is a 3l, not 3.5l in spite of the numbering). However it is a year off for the US, where it will come in the 3 and 5 seriese. The US will probably never get a 6-cylinder 6-series.
MB has new engines coming. In addition to the 6, which I believe will be come on the '06 E- and C-series, Autoweek reported two new V-8s. Whether they come in the '06 models or wait for the S-class introduction is something I can't even venture a guess. This is the text:
MB has new engines coming. In addition to the 6, which I believe will be come on the '06 E- and C-series, Autoweek reported two new V-8s. Whether they come in the '06 models or wait for the S-class introduction is something I can't even venture a guess. This is the text:
Power will come from a new line-up of modular V6 and V8 gasoline engines. Among the more significant developments is a switch from three-valve to four-valve cylinder heads and the adoption of Mercedes' Twin Pulse direct-injection technology as seen on the carmaker's four-cylinder powerplants. Allowing finer metering of the fuel supply than today's conventional sequential-injection engines, it contributes to a more efficient combustion process, with moderate power increases, lower fuel consumption and reduced emissions. Secrecy surrounds the exact makeup of the new S-Class engine lineup, though AutoWeek sources say there will be a base 3.5-liter 272-hp V6, a 4.7-liter 325-hp V8 and a 5.5-liter 410-hp V8. Topping the lineup will be a 5.5-liter 500-hp twin-turbo-charged V12.
Also planned is a powerful successor to the popular S55 AMG. It is earmarked to run a new 500-hp normally aspirated 6.3-liter V8 now under development at AMG's Affalterbach headquarters outside Stuttgart. Above it will be the replacement for the S65 AMG, using an updated version of today's 6.0-liter 612-hp twin-turbo-charged V12. The new engines will drive through Mercedes' 7G-tronic seven-speed automatic transmission, with AMG versions set to receive steering wheel-mounted shift buttons.
Also planned is a powerful successor to the popular S55 AMG. It is earmarked to run a new 500-hp normally aspirated 6.3-liter V8 now under development at AMG's Affalterbach headquarters outside Stuttgart. Above it will be the replacement for the S65 AMG, using an updated version of today's 6.0-liter 612-hp twin-turbo-charged V12. The new engines will drive through Mercedes' 7G-tronic seven-speed automatic transmission, with AMG versions set to receive steering wheel-mounted shift buttons.
