Flame3g

i want one ....F that make it 2 lol this thing is sharp.....mercedes i give you two thumbs up

Diesel Benz

The fact that the E-coupe is based on the 204 for the under body does not mean a bad thing in my opinion.

You are using pretty strong words against my post, I would find some facts before stating that. Or I would use the words "as far as I know" like you did for the "C212" statement, which also is not right.

Look at the on-line manual for the E-coupe, MB classify it as a C207:
http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual...en/flash8.html
manual-cars/ba/cars/c207

Look at EPC and you find a list of "207" models. I usually do not copy content from EPC but in this case it seems useful for a reference. Browse to the shell section and see what car this is.

With a bit of German you can find more facts about the 207 model here:
http://www.db-forum.de/attach/Start_MBBRV.html

You are right about the "C" code of course but it would be a C207 instead of a C212.

By the way, I just visited the Bremen factory and they had a lot of these cars at their lot.

It is a nice car irrespectively which platform it is built from, as someone mentioned and I had no intention to dispute this. But I'm really disappointed about the language against factual info where comments seem to be based on feelings.

K-A

Exactly. Fact is it is based on the W204 C-Class.

Stuttgart-UT

Fact? the E-Coupe is called C207.303, the C-Class is Called W204.046 why does it mean that the e coupe is based on the C-Class?!?

Diesel Benz

We should be careful with words here because I don't think there is a single definition when a car is based on one or the other model.

The GLK is called 204.xxx and still has a pretty different shell while, as you say, the E-coupe is called C207 and has a unique shell, except that the compatible parts look very much like the E sedan.

Taking the 207.303 (250 CDI model) and looking at EPC parts one can see that components like:
- pedal asembly & hydraulics
- front spring struts and mounts
- torsion bar front and rear
- front axle
- rear axle even including the rear subframe
- front and rear brakes, hand operated brake
- steering
- front end front wall (excluding the top cross member being 207)

while the rear spring strut is a 207 specific part, steering wheel too. Roof, windows of course 207.

This is by no means a complete list. And a lot of the 204 parts are from other models, even 221 or 212 (usually "bolts and nuts" type of parts). These "204 parts" then appear on the 207 too.

I hope this clarifies what at least I mean when I claim the 207 "is based on the 204". I mean a lot of the "parts behind the visible body" are from the 204.

Then again it is true that as a platform the 204 looks very similar to that of the 212, the exact part numbers still are different (one cannot put a similar part from one to the other).

If the definition was the similarity of the shell, the 207 would definitely be based on the 212.

I hope this clarifies my view, without any hot feelings on the topic.

norb

I think the coupe would look better if it had a squarer roofline, instead of the generic sweeping one.

Al Carbone

Well, i'm sorry to continue this discussion, but I just can see in the article from the "autobild", that the E-Coupe definately is based on the E-Class.

Dazu gehört auch, dass das nur drei Monate nach der Limousine vorgestellte Coupé tatsächlich wieder von der E-Klasse abstammt und nicht kostenoptimiert vom C wie der Vorgänger CLK.

"The E-Coupe is based on the E-Class and not like the CLK, which was based on the C-Class due to cost reasons."


But even without the article, I didn't watch just a second in the internet to answer this question, because it was for me obviously that the E-Coupe is based on the E-Class. New E-Class looks like the E-Coupe, which means the chasis from the E-Class its perfectly made for the Coupe. Not ever thought that it would be such a big discussion about it.



by the way, It's just logical, coz I dont think a huge car factory like Mercedes would change the name from CLK to E and just dont talk about it that the car is based on the "old" C-Class. Thats not the style of MB. Just because of this fact, it's very very extremely unlikely, that MB would do that.

The CLS is based on the E-Class, just coz its logical.
The CL is based on the S-Class, logical too.

So, it's obviously for me.


But I will write an email to MB, maybe they will infrom me. It could be possible that the autobild did a mistake, they're not the cluest anyway.

K-A

The thing is, the exterior can easily be made to look like an E, all that is are body panels, etc. If you look at the interior, even though the styling is designed to look like the Sedans, it looks like the silhouette, and overall underlying theme, is off of the W204.

I'm putting my money on it being based on the W204 mostly, and seem like more people have said the same through my research.

Indeed it wouldn't make sense for M-B to basically false-advertise the car like that, but M-B like most companies is interested in cost-saving techniques and making money where they can, especially in these tough times for them.

DerekACS

Yes, I believe you are quite correct.

Upon comparing the dimensions of the W212, the W211 and the W204 (C Class), I discovered that the wheelbases for the "E" Class coupe and C Class are identical @ 2760 mm (or 108.7"). This would seem to confirm to me that the platforms are the same.

In any case, the new coupe is a very sleek looking package that is 170 mm shorter in overall length than the W212 sedan, much closer in size to the C Class than the new E sedan.

Rudegar

No one has completely explained the significance of basing the Coupe on the C-class versus E-class. Is the E chassis superior to C? Is the geometry different? What are the key parts that make an E better than a C? Or an S better than an E? One post suggested that the glass was different - true? Do they use secret sauce in the E that they hold back in the C? What are the real distinctions other than size? Some patriots seem to suggest that Mercedes would never "pull something" like when GM infamously put a Chevy engine in an Oldsmobile (remember that?). Prey tell.

Diesel Benz

I don't think there would be a few "key parts" that make the difference. And my point here has not been to claim it would be a bad thing the C207 being "based on the W204", just a fact that most of the chassis, brakes and axles are from W204, meaning the "lower part" of the car is a C-class.

The suspension type appears quite similar anyway on the 204 and the 212. I did not check but I'm sure all the glasses are different from a W204. If anyone wants to be sure, just have a look at EPC.

In any case, the W212 parts are different from the W204 and the W221 for a good reason, I don't think it adds any value here to state personal opinions about these reasons.

This is nothing new either, we all know that the 208 and 209 had a lot of parts from the C-class. Did someone consider those cars good or bad just because of this?

RJC

I too have read (Car and Driver) the E class coupe is based on the new C class

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ss_coupe_spied

I hope we can get some clarification on this from an offcial MB document as I'd like to see the return of a true e class coupe again (loved my 1992 300CE even though it was $62k 17 years ago!)

overtaker

Couple of new photos I've come across:











and check this pic: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photo...550-cpe-06.jpg

If you can't view the pics here, try to copy the pics URLs and paste 'em in another browser window.

Kar don

you guys are really getting hung up on this "based on". These cars are not identical if you strip off the sheet metal like alot of you are claiming. I don't think any of the people on here have been in a stamping or weld plant of an automotive factory... The only things they can commonize are some brackets and mainly floor parts. Everything from the floor up is completely different.

Diesel Benz

There is no better official document from MB to refer to than EPC. Go and have a look.

Actually the most expensive part to produce is the floor steel plate. EPC does not show this because it is part of the shell. But I bet the floor plate is a copy of the 204 floor. You can see some "almost competing" car models built on the same floor plate, like a Ford Focus and was it Mazda 6 or something. The cars look completely different and actually are but they reach significant cost savings from a common floor panel.

I believe you did not mean this comment as literally as I was explaining above, I just wanted to comment on the importance of the specific single part.

K-A

Very interesting . I didn't know that.