threeMBs

I have a question for W212 4matic (550 or 350, doesn't matter) owners who use staggered wheels and tires on their W212 4matic:

what brand of tires and front/rear sizes you use?

Note, please: the topic here is not if you can. I know you can, as long as front/rear tire diameter is identical. Hense the question. So, please, lets not diviate from the topic into discussion if its a good idea or not.

TIA.

lyjw88

I'm going to use 235 front and 265 rear for my summer setup.

mg-E550

I'll acquiesce for the moment to your request not to discuss whether its a good idea or not - but pls let me ask why would you stagger tires on an awd car? does it get you any benefit?

threeMBs

I specifically wanted to avoid this, so I'm going to comment only once.

Under normal condition F/R split for W212 is 45/55 so it is still slightly rear biased (W211 was even better at 40/60), so (in dry conditions only) during cornering I do feel better response and handling in W211 with staggared 20s vs. non-staggered stock 18s. I know sidewall is shorter, etc, etc, etc, but in any case...there are a number of AWD cars (yes mostly mid or rear engined) comming stock with staggered setups, so I wanted to see how W211 will do and since I definetely feel handling improvements (I'm not even mentioning looks) I want to do the same for W212 once I get it in the next few months. Hence the question.

There is one very important point that I left out in my original question: the original question was (and still is) ment only to those running 19" or 20" staggered wheels on W212 4matic. The reason I was asking is that I'm running 20" staggared Sumitomo HTRZ 3 (245/35-20 & 275/30-20 both identical 26.7" diameter) on W211 4matic and want to use same wheels/tires on W212 4matic (offset will fit, tires do not know, so may need to go to 19" hence need to know what people with 19" use as well as those with 20").

Thanks.

threeMBs

With all due respect, you did not put much effort in the above response. It does not answer my question at all. No offense ment.

petee1997

I wonder what some people are smoking when I read this stuff. First of all you are wasting your time with the wrong car for ultra high performance. You need more than tires. You need a E63 or Porsche etc. The starting point is the platform and that ship has sailed in your case.

threeMBs

I appreciate your point of view. It is also clear that the original question was not meant for you. You have your reasons/views, I have mine. Lets leave it at that. I anticipated responses like this and asked to please stay on the topic. Had I had E350 4matic, I would never have posed that question, but E550 4matic is a different beast all together - this may explain "smoking" analogy on your part since you obviously have no clue what I'm talking about. E63 is not available with AWD and if it had, for that price I would get an S8.

mg-E550

Thanks for indulging my question - makes sense.

To the others' points about why not get an E63 or 911 - for myself I wanted a versatily car that had awd. Pretty hard to get a usable back seat, awd and a car with E550's level of performance and technology.

grmcrckr

I am looking into doing the same with my 4matic 550. I looked up the E 63 AMG wheel specs for size (cant find offset) 19 inch. They run the 255/35R 19s up front and the 285/30R19s in the rear. According to tire rack the overall diameter is exact for the tires. You would have to run a 10inch rim in the rear and a 9 inch rim in the front for the exact overall diameter. I think I am going to do the 19s with the E63 AMG specs hoping that it will fit on my 212 2010 550 4matic. Same bodystyle=maybe.
Anyone know the rim offsets for a 2010 E63 AMG?

hyperion667

jesus! what??

I'm just going to use the tires that come on the car..........then when I need new ones I'll probably get some high end, name brand tire to replace them......I'm not going to be racing anyone......or driving on any nutty roads or stretches that would require Batman's tire set-up, lol.......

good luck though......

grmcrckr

Actually, Jesus has nothing to do with it. I'm not sure of your point? Are you saying to stick to stock wheels and tires unless its time to change to new ones?
Please read the beginning of the thread. I don't want to hear your rationalization of do or dont' do. I want to know what size wheels, tires, and offsets people are using when they stagger them on a 4matic W212.
I'm also planning on running a lowering module by Renntech and putting an autostart on it.
Any constructive replies?

hyperion667

I was only implying how over my head this tire business is......and was only making humor, sorry if I offended........I'm sure you'll figure it out

grmcrckr

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Understood. I'm sorry for my reply, I misunderstood you. I hope you like your new 550 when it comes in soon.

psoas

I have an 07 gl450 4matic.

wanted the staggered look, but also wanted to be able to rotate tires and not have two different rim/tires sizes....so I used a 10 mm hubcentric spacer on the back. rear rims are pushed out as staggered rims?tires would be and I can rotate etc.

Also no worries about different tire sizes effecting 4matic.

Not an answer to your post, but an alternative.

good luck

grmcrckr

Interesting, never thought of that.
Great Idea.

Tjdehya

I dont understand, am I missing something?
245/35-20 = 26.75
275/30-20 = 26.49

The reason I ask is because I am also looking at a staggered setup for my 4matic.
245/30-20 = 25.78
285/25-20 = 25.61

Stock Wheels
245/40-18 = 25.71

Thanks
TJ

threeMBs

pm replied

tarsky68

Either of the above options should be fine. The key is to keep the rev's/mile very close to the same front to rear. A 1/4" difference in OD will translate into something like a 5-10 rev/mile difference. No big deal. By the way, you should go to the specific tire mfr website to confirm that.

As to people making comments such as "I don't know what people are smoking..." ...go away. Your comments add no value to the conversation.

Staggered set up's are desired by some for performance reasons (if their car would benefit from it), or others (like myself) who simply want the look. Whether that is practical or not, doesn't matter one bit. I haven't seen anyone argue that it's practical to put a staggered set on a 350 (which is what I have).

As others have mentioned, there are other options that will get similar looks (not quite the same), such as wheel spacers or even some wheels that offer "mass lip" options for the rear. With the mass lip option, you get a different offset for the rear, so you get the staggered look, even though the actual wheel width is the same front to rear. This option does not however, allow for tire rotation (except side to side) without dismount/remount.

So, whether you have a 550 and want to get a little better grip in back, or whether you have a 350 and just want the look, a staggered set up is possible. It's all about the numbers...just do your homework.

threeMBs

I agree with everything you said above.

Tjdehya

Thanks for this tip. I found the perfect match now. Nitto Invo's
245/35-20 = 25.78 (25.83 On website)
295/25-20 = 25.80 (25.79 On website)
Its hard to get any closer than that. The rear wheel width might be close and may need to roll the fenders but we will see. Now its just a matter finding these tires.

I am going staggered for the look and the look only. Performance is a non factor. I hope to have the wheels and tires by next Friday. I will post pics of the new wheels and tint when I get em.

threeMBs

1. There must be typo above. You must have ment 245/30-20, not 245/35-20. The diameter above is for 30 profile not 35.

2. IMO, with 245 front and 295 rear, 4matic car would not handle as desired - track in the rear will be way wider than the front. Stick with no more than 30mm width difference front to rear: 245/35-20 & 275/30-20 (choice #1, if 245/35-20 fits) or 255/30-20 & 285/25-20. I know finding matching tires is a challenge, but your car will handle poorly (will understeer a lot) with 245/30-20 & 295/25-20 sizes because its a 4matic. Your chosen rear tire width would be fine for 550 rwd as it needs the widest rear tires you can fit to hadle all that tourque.

Saudin

Hey i was just wondering if you got any answers on this question? I want to do the same thing. I have 2010 E350 4Matic or should i say W212 and wanted to go with Staggered Rohana RC10 Front 9x20" offset 35mm and Back 10x20" offset 45mm But was not sure if they will fit rubb and what tires set up should i go. And or should i drop to 19" I know some people will be get AMG E55/63 but that's not the case if i could i would. I am manly going after looks not speed. I'm running 8.5x18 AMG stock wheels with 240/40/R18 now. Let me know please and Thanks. Or anyone else in here if you know anything about this set up please advise thanks.

Saudin

Is this 9" and 10" Front Back or ?

Saudin

The reason I ask is because I am also looking at a staggered setup for my 4matic.
245/30-20 = 25.78
285/25-20 = 25.61

Stock Wheels
245/40-18 = 25.71

This is set up of the tires that i want for my Rohana RC10 9x20 and 10x20 is that what you have? and are your wheels Front 8.5 and Back 9.1/2 ? or 9" and 10"? I just don't want to get them then they start rubbing or dont fit because wheels are to big and wide. I have 2010 E350 4Matic Thanks! And set up i wanted to run is excatly that 9x20 245/30-20 = 25.78 10x20 285/25-20 Or should i bump front to 255? vs 245? Thanks man!

stemags

Ive used staggered mostly for summer driving,,with Conti Extreme DWS recently,,265/35/18 on the rear ,,never any issue,looks good .Regular 245s up front.