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Rnbrad, I never said 'crap.' The worst I said was 'poor,' and mostly in respect to wanting premium options as offered by other auto mfgs. And as you yourself said, I also "by no means think this system hung the moon." But again, my main contention is why not offer an optional OEM upgrade (which they could do if they can write a contract with another vendor like they did with the SLS's B&O system premium upgrade.) Or at least in the AMG models of all the classes (which is supposedly an upgrade in itself.)
Anyhoo, aural preference is subjective as we know. The reason why Eggleston's products aren't bought by everybody in the world is because the characteristics of his speakers aren't to everyone's tastes.
Audophiles arguing is basically like wine experts arguing. Sure, Robert Parker is an 'expert' yet he praises Bordeaux while generally dismissing Burgundy. Allen Meadows is an 'expert' yet prefers Burgundy while generally dismissing Bordeaux. Both are 'experts.' Neither are right or wrong, they simply have opinions. I can argue all day that Burgundy is more subtle and requires a more discerning palate, while Bordeaux is mainly popular because of it's heavy mouth feel and alcohol content. I'll get tons of people disagreeing with me and saying I'm just a neophyte. On the other hand, there are tons of people who would agree with me wholeheartedly.
The aural experience is similar to the gustatory experience. You do your professional judging of custom car stereos based on your own aural preferences and experience...... just as Parker and Meadows do with wine. But neither of them will ever come to an agreement.![Wink](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Time to put this puppy to sleep, yes? Enjoy your car, they're comfortable cruisers. That we can agree on
Anyhoo, aural preference is subjective as we know. The reason why Eggleston's products aren't bought by everybody in the world is because the characteristics of his speakers aren't to everyone's tastes.
Audophiles arguing is basically like wine experts arguing. Sure, Robert Parker is an 'expert' yet he praises Bordeaux while generally dismissing Burgundy. Allen Meadows is an 'expert' yet prefers Burgundy while generally dismissing Bordeaux. Both are 'experts.' Neither are right or wrong, they simply have opinions. I can argue all day that Burgundy is more subtle and requires a more discerning palate, while Bordeaux is mainly popular because of it's heavy mouth feel and alcohol content. I'll get tons of people disagreeing with me and saying I'm just a neophyte. On the other hand, there are tons of people who would agree with me wholeheartedly.
The aural experience is similar to the gustatory experience. You do your professional judging of custom car stereos based on your own aural preferences and experience...... just as Parker and Meadows do with wine. But neither of them will ever come to an agreement.
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Time to put this puppy to sleep, yes? Enjoy your car, they're comfortable cruisers. That we can agree on
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I currently drive a 2011 E550 4M, which I just got this weekend from the dealer. I have the premium package with the 14-speaker 610 watt H/K sound system and the bass is overwhelming compared to the stock sound system in my 2003 X5. There's too much low end even I when I have the bass lowered to -10. Even on AM news, you can hear too much low end rumble when the newsreporter is talking. Rear passengers are even worse because they seem to get even more low end rumble which is very uncomfortable for regular listening. The system is not balanced: too much low end and muddy top end. Maybe Mercedes improved the bass over the 2010 model??? You do own a 2010 E550 don't you?
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I guess I'm showing my age but I couldn't look forward to a long cruise in an E 63 ( and I am talking about regular return trips of 600 Km in a day up to occasional 2400 Km in two to three days).
The E63 also only comes with a 66 litre gas tank vs 80 litres in an E 550 and while this is irrelevant in this conversation it further lessened the relevance to me of purchasing one for long distance cruising.
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The E63 also only comes with a 66 litre gas tank vs 80 litres in an E 550 and while this is irrelevant in this conversation it further lessened the relevance to me of purchasing one for long distance cruising.
Bill
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Fuel tank All models 21.1 US gal (80.0 l) Gasoline engine:
Premium unleaded
gasoline
Fuel tank
reserve
All models,
except E 63 AMG
approx. 2.4 US gal (9.0 l)
E 63 AMG approx. 3.7 US gal (14.0 l)
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W212 E500, W164 320CDI, W116 450SEL 6.9, W116 450 SEL.
btw, I was curious about this and emailed MBUSA since it didn't make any sense to me. They emailed back claiming that the gas tank capacities are identical. I had asked about both USA and the ROW specs. They claimed it was in all E Class cars mfg by Daimler worldwide including the W211 and the W212. The only difference is that the E63 has a larger fuel tank reserve (which just means the notification of low fuel comes on earlier.)
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Fuel tank All models 21.1 US gal (80.0 l) Gasoline engine:
Premium unleaded
gasoline
Fuel tank
reserve
All models,
except E 63 AMG
approx. 2.4 US gal (9.0 l)
E 63 AMG approx. 3.7 US gal (14.0 l)
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Fuel tank All models 21.1 US gal (80.0 l) Gasoline engine:
Premium unleaded
gasoline
Fuel tank
reserve
All models,
except E 63 AMG
approx. 2.4 US gal (9.0 l)
E 63 AMG approx. 3.7 US gal (14.0 l)
Here is a copy of the Australian (read ROW) brochure as supplied to me before I purchased my car. The 66 litre tank size was confirmed by the Salesman who I have known for years and is very technically savvy.
I know my E500 (E550) has an 80 litre tank and not an 89 litre one.
Maybe the brochure is wrong, US specs are different or they have changed the tank size since the 2010 year?
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Hi 220S,
Here is a copy of the Australian (read ROW) brochure as supplied to me before I purchased my car. The 66 litre tank size was confirmed by the Salesman who I have known for years and is very technically savvy.
I know my E500 (E550) has an 80 litre tank and not an 89 litre one.
Maybe the brochure is wrong, US specs are different or they have changed the tank size since the 2010 year?
![](http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/WGB_album/Brochurepge1.jpg)
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Here is a copy of the Australian (read ROW) brochure as supplied to me before I purchased my car. The 66 litre tank size was confirmed by the Salesman who I have known for years and is very technically savvy.
I know my E500 (E550) has an 80 litre tank and not an 89 litre one.
Maybe the brochure is wrong, US specs are different or they have changed the tank size since the 2010 year?
![](http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/WGB_album/Brochurepge1.jpg)
![](http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/WGB_album/Brochurepge2.jpg)
That makes me wonder if even the USA versions have 66 and that the USA data is wrong. But as RNBRAD says that sort of thing does need to be accurate
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Here they are cut and pasted:
Total capacity in
E 200 CGI
E 250 CGI
E 200 CDI
E 220 CDI
E 250 CDI
E 250 CDI 4MATIC
59 l
Total capacity in AMG vehicles
66 l
Total capacity in all other models
80 l
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W212 E500, W164 320CDI, W116 450SEL 6.9, W116 450 SEL.
Called in at home for lunch and don't have time for a re-scan but having checked the Saloon pages are the same in respect to the AMG being 66 litres.
I also checked my Owner's Handbook and it again gived the AMG E63 at 66 litres including reserve of 14 litres.
I will scan correct pages and page of owner's manual tonight when I have some time.
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W212 E500, W164 320CDI, W116 450SEL 6.9, W116 450 SEL.
And here is a page from the owners manual supplied with my car,
I could not consider (as an ownership proposition) a large capacity V8 that would only have 42 litres from fill to reserve light showing as a long distance cruiser in outback Australia. I am not sure it would make it the distance between some gas stations here.
I sure hope you are right that the US model is supplied with an 80 litre tank with a 14 litre reserve.
Bill
I could not consider (as an ownership proposition) a large capacity V8 that would only have 42 litres from fill to reserve light showing as a long distance cruiser in outback Australia. I am not sure it would make it the distance between some gas stations here.
I sure hope you are right that the US model is supplied with an 80 litre tank with a 14 litre reserve.
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That's weird. Cause if there's any car that needs a bigger tank, it's the gas guzzling E63.
My owners manual only lists the 3 motors (350, 550, 63) and all having the same size tank, at least here in the U.S.
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If the tank is indeed different on all W212 E63s (and the published specs are wrong), it could be due to the size and placement of the MCT transmission in respect to the fuel tank. The MCT is the difference in the W211 and the non-AMG W212s.
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2010 E63 AMG
E63 is the worst AMG car I've ever owned.
- Gas tank is low. I am not sure it is 64 or 80 litters but it is too low. 200 miles per tank.
- MCT transmission is for track, freeway or autobahn. Not for the city. I almost got into accident by driving in C mode and trying to speed up at a light so I could switch lines due to the parking car in my line. C mode couldn't shift on time. I had to brake hard (I can do this in my toyota sienna van and change lanes) **** C mode.
- Audio is crap. Doesn't matter if is it 600+ watts. Bass is just not there when you listen at normal volume. U have to crank all the way up to hear bass. SAT radio is even worse.
- No side shades..
- Seat's leather is nothing special.
- other things....
It seem to me like I outgrew AMGs/MBs or just would like to complain about everything...
But.... my local MB friend/service adviser confirmed above mentioned complains that he keeps receiving from E63 owners everytime.
What's good about the car?...
Friends think it is cool. Good for show off. Unique. Has many compliments. <-- MB should list this in specification on the window sticker, next to 4.3 seconds.
What's next?
F10 M5 2012/13 whenever it comes out.
S63/65 2013/14 ...
- Gas tank is low. I am not sure it is 64 or 80 litters but it is too low. 200 miles per tank.
- MCT transmission is for track, freeway or autobahn. Not for the city. I almost got into accident by driving in C mode and trying to speed up at a light so I could switch lines due to the parking car in my line. C mode couldn't shift on time. I had to brake hard (I can do this in my toyota sienna van and change lanes) **** C mode.
- Audio is crap. Doesn't matter if is it 600+ watts. Bass is just not there when you listen at normal volume. U have to crank all the way up to hear bass. SAT radio is even worse.
- No side shades..
- Seat's leather is nothing special.
- other things....
It seem to me like I outgrew AMGs/MBs or just would like to complain about everything...
But.... my local MB friend/service adviser confirmed above mentioned complains that he keeps receiving from E63 owners everytime.
What's good about the car?...
Friends think it is cool. Good for show off. Unique. Has many compliments. <-- MB should list this in specification on the window sticker, next to 4.3 seconds.
What's next?
F10 M5 2012/13 whenever it comes out.
S63/65 2013/14 ...
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E63 is the worst AMG car I've ever owned.
- Gas tank is low. I am not sure it is 64 or 80 litters but it is too low. 200 miles per tank.
- MCT transmission is for track, freeway or autobahn. Not for the city. I almost got into accident by driving in C mode and trying to speed up at a light so I could switch lines due to the parking car in my line. C mode couldn't shift on time. I had to brake hard (I can do this in my toyota sienna van and change lanes) **** C mode.
- Audio is crap. Doesn't matter if is it 600+ watts. Bass is just not there when you listen at normal volume. U have to crank all the way up to hear bass. SAT radio is even worse.
- No side shades..
- Seat's leather is nothing special.
- other things....
It seem to me like I outgrew AMGs/MBs or just would like to complain about everything...
But.... my local MB friend/service adviser confirmed above mentioned complains that he keeps receiving from E63 owners everytime.
What's good about the car?...
Friends think it is cool. Good for show off. Unique. Has many compliments. <-- MB should list this in specification on the window sticker, next to 4.3 seconds.
What's next?
F10 M5 2012/13 whenever it comes out.
S63/65 2013/14 ...
- Gas tank is low. I am not sure it is 64 or 80 litters but it is too low. 200 miles per tank.
- MCT transmission is for track, freeway or autobahn. Not for the city. I almost got into accident by driving in C mode and trying to speed up at a light so I could switch lines due to the parking car in my line. C mode couldn't shift on time. I had to brake hard (I can do this in my toyota sienna van and change lanes) **** C mode.
- Audio is crap. Doesn't matter if is it 600+ watts. Bass is just not there when you listen at normal volume. U have to crank all the way up to hear bass. SAT radio is even worse.
- No side shades..
- Seat's leather is nothing special.
- other things....
It seem to me like I outgrew AMGs/MBs or just would like to complain about everything...
But.... my local MB friend/service adviser confirmed above mentioned complains that he keeps receiving from E63 owners everytime.
What's good about the car?...
Friends think it is cool. Good for show off. Unique. Has many compliments. <-- MB should list this in specification on the window sticker, next to 4.3 seconds.
What's next?
F10 M5 2012/13 whenever it comes out.
S63/65 2013/14 ...
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