"C" Class vs. 3 series
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"C" Class vs. 3 series
Slightly off topic, but Consumer Reports just released test reports on 2012 C Class and BMW 3 series. C got 85 points and 3 got 73. They tested the Luxury version of the C so that boosted points in the ride category. Most significant to me was their dissatisfaction with the start/stop feature of the 3 series engine. MB is coming out with this also and I wouldn't have it.
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I am mostly turning it off but I can say that ECO button aka start / stop feature is very neat . You don't feel any jerks , jolts either . Just off the brake pedal , it starts w/o any drama . MB did even put a secondary battery to feed ECO system sufficiently
Some test mags reviewed that VW's system was terrible unlike MB's
Some test mags reviewed that VW's system was terrible unlike MB's
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Slightly off topic, but Consumer Reports just released test reports on 2012 C Class and BMW 3 series. C got 85 points and 3 got 73. They tested the Luxury version of the C so that boosted points in the ride category. Most significant to me was their dissatisfaction with the start/stop feature of the 3 series engine. MB is coming out with this also and I wouldn't have it.
The few things I've read about MB's stop/start is that it's pretty seamless.
Rather saddened to hear that the C250 Luxury has a smoother ride (w/o much of a loss of handling) and possibly heavier steering than the sport model, since those are my two main complaints about my C250 Sport (::sigh:
. But there aren't many Luxury models to choose from in LA....
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I've driven both recently, and my thoughts in a nutshell:
C250: Very refined and classy choice now as the facelift (pre-facelift felt a bit "immature" for M-B standards due to the horrendous excuse for an interior), it feels more like an M-B should in comparison to the 3. Also, I think its styling is still superior to the F30 3-Series, especially with the 3's fugly/weird front ends wedged onto an otherwise smooth and classic body. The C250 however is a DOG. I'm not a power junkie in the least, my E350 feels plenty quick to me, but I need effortlessness, especially from a luxury car, and IMO the C250 isn't effortless. You need to juice it to get going, and even then, you just feel it lagging. Plus, the 4-cylinder motor sounds terrible when you can actually hear it (all 4's do to me though, the D/I tapping doesn't help.... sounds like a baby Tractor).
328i: Much more exciting, precise, more like a BMW should feel (about face after a super soft and un-BMW-like 5-Series). The 4-banger sounds equally unappealing at idle (when you can hear it), but it sure doesn't drive like a 4-banger should. It's torquey, riveting even, and has more than enough effortless power. The handling is wonderful, and the whole experience is a bit less refined than the C, less "luxury", but more "Sport" (the way it should be re: M-B VS BMW). The interior is okay, but kind of cheesy, especially the "Modern Trim" with that funky and unattractive wood material.
The 3's Stop/Start was indeed TERRIBLE to me. When I was really quick with the pedal on takeoff, the Start couldn't react as quickly as my foot, therefore the car sputtered and conked around, sounded like it was stalling out (it was actually trying to turn on in time).
C250: Very refined and classy choice now as the facelift (pre-facelift felt a bit "immature" for M-B standards due to the horrendous excuse for an interior), it feels more like an M-B should in comparison to the 3. Also, I think its styling is still superior to the F30 3-Series, especially with the 3's fugly/weird front ends wedged onto an otherwise smooth and classic body. The C250 however is a DOG. I'm not a power junkie in the least, my E350 feels plenty quick to me, but I need effortlessness, especially from a luxury car, and IMO the C250 isn't effortless. You need to juice it to get going, and even then, you just feel it lagging. Plus, the 4-cylinder motor sounds terrible when you can actually hear it (all 4's do to me though, the D/I tapping doesn't help.... sounds like a baby Tractor).
328i: Much more exciting, precise, more like a BMW should feel (about face after a super soft and un-BMW-like 5-Series). The 4-banger sounds equally unappealing at idle (when you can hear it), but it sure doesn't drive like a 4-banger should. It's torquey, riveting even, and has more than enough effortless power. The handling is wonderful, and the whole experience is a bit less refined than the C, less "luxury", but more "Sport" (the way it should be re: M-B VS BMW). The interior is okay, but kind of cheesy, especially the "Modern Trim" with that funky and unattractive wood material.
The 3's Stop/Start was indeed TERRIBLE to me. When I was really quick with the pedal on takeoff, the Start couldn't react as quickly as my foot, therefore the car sputtered and conked around, sounded like it was stalling out (it was actually trying to turn on in time).
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I've driven both recently, and my thoughts in a nutshell:
C250: Very refined and classy choice now as the facelift (pre-facelift felt a bit "immature" for M-B standards due to the horrendous excuse for an interior), it feels more like an M-B should in comparison to the 3. Also, I think its styling is still superior to the F30 3-Series, especially with the 3's fugly/weird front ends wedged onto an otherwise smooth and classic body. The C250 however is a DOG. I'm not a power junkie in the least, my E350 feels plenty quick to me, but I need effortlessness, especially from a luxury car, and IMO the C250 isn't effortless. You need to juice it to get going, and even then, you just feel it lagging. Plus, the 4-cylinder motor sounds terrible when you can actually hear it (all 4's do to me though, the D/I tapping doesn't help.... sounds like a baby Tractor).
C250: Very refined and classy choice now as the facelift (pre-facelift felt a bit "immature" for M-B standards due to the horrendous excuse for an interior), it feels more like an M-B should in comparison to the 3. Also, I think its styling is still superior to the F30 3-Series, especially with the 3's fugly/weird front ends wedged onto an otherwise smooth and classic body. The C250 however is a DOG. I'm not a power junkie in the least, my E350 feels plenty quick to me, but I need effortlessness, especially from a luxury car, and IMO the C250 isn't effortless. You need to juice it to get going, and even then, you just feel it lagging. Plus, the 4-cylinder motor sounds terrible when you can actually hear it (all 4's do to me though, the D/I tapping doesn't help.... sounds like a baby Tractor).
The 3's Stop/Start was indeed TERRIBLE to me. When I was really quick with the pedal on takeoff, the Start couldn't react as quickly as my foot, therefore the car sputtered and conked around, sounded like it was stalling out (it was actually trying to turn on in time).
Numerous auto mags have also commented that the BMW stop/start system has actually failed on them during preview drives, which is pretty pathetic (I don't think car mags don't often comment on these sorts of issues in preview drives, so it must've been pretty bad). I've also noticed that some reviews are also only now commenting on the unacceptably hard ride of previous-gen Sports-package models, since the new model apparently has a softer ride.... Interesting. Don't trust BMW reliability at all....
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All the auto rags are united in the praise for the 328i...
Motor Trend 8 car comparo that the 328 easily won. The MB 250 came in third .
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...an_comparison/
Road & Track: 2 cars show down with 328i first and 250 second
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...enz-c250-sport
Car & Driver: 5 car comparo, 328i finished first and the 250 was 4th.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests
Motor Trend 8 car comparo that the 328 easily won. The MB 250 came in third .
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...an_comparison/
Road & Track: 2 cars show down with 328i first and 250 second
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...enz-c250-sport
Car & Driver: 5 car comparo, 328i finished first and the 250 was 4th.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests
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The new 3-Series is finally a proper precision BMW again and a marvel. I was VERY impressed. I'm not in love with the styling, though it's alright.... Maybe my biggest complaint.
However, Auto Rags are irrelevant unless talking about full fledged Sports Cars, as they're completely one track minded (sporting dynamics only).
However, Auto Rags are irrelevant unless talking about full fledged Sports Cars, as they're completely one track minded (sporting dynamics only).
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I had my recent loaner car comparison after taking E350 BTC for dash rattle issue and my wife's 530i for recall
Notes on new 328i:
Start stop is OK takes a bit to get used to. Steering jerked a bit if your steering is at an angle. Engine is super smooth and very punchy. Interior room improved with less shoulder hump for the rear seats. Interior is typical base BMW plastic. Very noticeable difference is the weight of the door. If you slam the doors on the new 3 and you'll be reminded of a Japanese car. As with any rental "hoon-ablity" the 328i is very burn out happy.
Notes on new C250:
Silky smooth 4 pot turbo engine with diesel like torque. Much improved from the noisy 1.8 supercharged days on the old C230. Don't expect to beat anyone at the stoplights. The E-class liked interior is nicely executed. Steering is a bit heavier but still lacks feedback as with most Mercedes. 245/40/R17 tires are meaty and makes mountain carving a joy (downhill only)
Notes on new 328i:
Start stop is OK takes a bit to get used to. Steering jerked a bit if your steering is at an angle. Engine is super smooth and very punchy. Interior room improved with less shoulder hump for the rear seats. Interior is typical base BMW plastic. Very noticeable difference is the weight of the door. If you slam the doors on the new 3 and you'll be reminded of a Japanese car. As with any rental "hoon-ablity" the 328i is very burn out happy.
Notes on new C250:
Silky smooth 4 pot turbo engine with diesel like torque. Much improved from the noisy 1.8 supercharged days on the old C230. Don't expect to beat anyone at the stoplights. The E-class liked interior is nicely executed. Steering is a bit heavier but still lacks feedback as with most Mercedes. 245/40/R17 tires are meaty and makes mountain carving a joy (downhill only)
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Car mags are biased
However, Auto Rags are irrelevant unless talking about full fledged Sports Cars, as they're completely one track minded (sporting dynamics only).[/quote]
Agree. I used to subscribe to all the ones cited in earlier post, but no longer. They are focused on cars that cost near $100,000 and are primarily an engine, transmission, four wheels and a steering wheel. Throw in a few economy cars and others periodically just to claim they are not biased, but even then rate car that goes fastest the highest. Occasionally comment on interiors, ride, etc. almost as an after thought.
They also have a bias toward Porsche, Corvette and BMW.
If you read CR's monthly auto reviews, you might be surprised that they also evaluate sporting dynamics. However, they evaluate and report on all aspects of the cars.
Agree. I used to subscribe to all the ones cited in earlier post, but no longer. They are focused on cars that cost near $100,000 and are primarily an engine, transmission, four wheels and a steering wheel. Throw in a few economy cars and others periodically just to claim they are not biased, but even then rate car that goes fastest the highest. Occasionally comment on interiors, ride, etc. almost as an after thought.
They also have a bias toward Porsche, Corvette and BMW.
If you read CR's monthly auto reviews, you might be surprised that they also evaluate sporting dynamics. However, they evaluate and report on all aspects of the cars.
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They also have a bias toward Porsche, Corvette and BMW.
If you read CR's monthly auto reviews, you might be surprised that they also evaluate sporting dynamics. However, they evaluate and report on all aspects of the cars.
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The only show/mag I subscribe too is "Top Gear"/UK....
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So I drove a C250 Lux, C3004matic Sport and E3504matic Sport.
Really liked the look of the C250 Luxury. Completely satisfied with the interior relative to the E350.
While the C250 engine was ok from a power / refinement standpoint. The C300 motor really makes the car a Mercedes.
On the subject of motors I thought while lacking in power and efficiency relative to the E350 it when about it's business in a less intrusive way in that the 350 motor makes more noise when accelerating.
I found the E3504matic steering to be a little strange from the weighting standpoint it was appropriately heavy while underway but unnaturally light when I rocked the wheel back and forth at the stop light.
For me the C3004matic is just right except for the fuel mileage.
Really liked the look of the C250 Luxury. Completely satisfied with the interior relative to the E350.
While the C250 engine was ok from a power / refinement standpoint. The C300 motor really makes the car a Mercedes.
On the subject of motors I thought while lacking in power and efficiency relative to the E350 it when about it's business in a less intrusive way in that the 350 motor makes more noise when accelerating.
I found the E3504matic steering to be a little strange from the weighting standpoint it was appropriately heavy while underway but unnaturally light when I rocked the wheel back and forth at the stop light.
For me the C3004matic is just right except for the fuel mileage.
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First time I can agree with CR, C is a clear winner. I can also admit that C is more common now in my area than 3 series, and it is damn so good looking and nimble car. I feel so jealous to C owners. But alas I can't buy it for myself, too old for it.
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Don't think like this then I should be too young to be own an S Class . I drvie my dad's Caddy mostly assumed for age +50 lol lol Whatever makes you happy pick it up , I went for W212 because it's the most favorable design for me .If not I would choose either A207 or W204
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Uh, as I tried to point in my first post, CR *didn't* declare the C the best car in its class or superior to the 3-series....
