BadBlack550

I am no expert on tire wheel set ups, but I want the staggered wheel set up for two reasons:
1. looks, fat rear tires make the car look so much better, imo.
2. planing to tune with car and with increased power and torque i would want to have some more traction.

Arrie

I don't think you qualify to tell anybody STFU!

All I am saying is take your car with broken/worn out center differential lock to MB dealer with staggered wheels under the car and see how much warranty your differential lock has.

MB makes rear wheel car with staggered wheel setup. The same car with 4 Matic is not offered with it. There must be a reason for it and I don't think it is because the non-staggered setup looks better.

The reason is to protect the very old fashioned technology they use on the central differential lock and that is all there is to it and I guarantee that if the dealer goes by the MB rules they will deny warranty repair if staggered wheels are found under the car with broken/worn out central differential lock.

I don't know if MB has better technology in use on some higher class cars that would allow staggered setup without issues but the one in use in the E class does not like staggered setup. This is probably the same for C class.

Tjdehya

And I have stated and restated that what you are stating is BULL$H!T!

Maybe English is a second language for you because you seem to be lacking basic comprehension....

The... C and CLS... 4Matcis... Come From the... Factory... With... Staggered... Wheels...

Mercedes... Benz... Puts... Staggered Wheels... On some.. of their... 4Matic... Vehicles...

Other... 4Matic.. Vehicles.. made... by MERCEDES BENZ... Come... Standard... With... Staggered Wheels

Mercedes Benz... Decided... to Sell... The... C and CLS... 4Matics... With Staggered Wheels

The Stock.. Wheels.. for the... C and CLS 4Matic... are STAGGERED!

They Have... Been... Doing it... For YEARS!

It is... Not.. an... Issue.. To Put... Staggered Wheels... On... 4Matics...

Mercedes... Uses... the Same... 4Matic.... System.. on All... their vehicles.

If it was... An Issue... THEN MERCEDES BENZ WOULD NOT DO IT ON THE SAME 4MATIC SYSTEM IN OTHER CARS!

btw I dont Love you anymore... you will now added to my forum ignore list... Please add me to yours. (Go to "User CP", on the left side click on "edit Ignore list")
ciao

Read above... If you can...

Arrie

Some people are just more full of s..t than others. You are one of the fullest ones!

raymond g-

the BAS, cruise control (just mentioning the most important) interrogate
the sensors looking for go/no-go conditions. 4matic looks for similar in order
to maintain optimum traction.

when the difference between front and rear (even individual corners) exceed
maximum critical specs, the system is designed to compensate.

staggered means nothing without taking into consideration that which is the
biggest determining factor: rolling distance. the front vs rear should be the
same (with scootch allowable, plus/minus)

even staggered setup in rear wheel drive MBs can still throw off the traction
control system to some degree. it's not as if you can just throw caution into
the wind and throw rims/tires on in cavalier fashion.

rol607

Ok, so no staggered wheel set up for me while car still has warranty. Thanks guys. Did not mean to elicit such strong stances here.

No reason for the "STFU" comments at all.

Arrie

You are welcome.

All I am trying to say is that if MB does not offer staggered wheel setup on the 4 Matic E class they most likely do not honor the warranty if your center differential lock wears out during the warranty period. There is a chance that it would not but more than likely it would.

If you don't care then you could go with staggered setup but does 20 mm wider rear wheel really make that big of a difference anyway. I'm planning to go with 275 in the rear next as mine is a RWD. That should be more noticeable (I think it is only for looks). This, of course, if it fits without rubbing issues.

threeMBs

Can't you read? Not only 275 fits, but so does 285. Many people have them on W212s (I have 285s on rear of my both W212s).

dfordham

Are the moderators on strike?

It's obvious we can't behave ourselves without their intervention.

Regards,
Don

hyperion667

1985mb

CLS550 4Matic stock with staggered wheels

Scroll down to the specs for tire sizes (255/35 F, 285/30 R)

golfster

Lots of self restraint and anger management issues in the world.

Arrie

I think I can read just fine.

Someone saying here it fits is one thing the truth could be another.

I know you can put a lot wider tires on if you are prepared to do other work like offset them to avoid rubbing. For me the fit means that I can put the 275 (or 285) wide tire on the same 18" rim I have without doing any extra work to make it fit in the car. Just looking at it 275 probably is fine but I'm not so sure about 285.

threeMBs

Just a small lesson: 285 can not be even fitted to stock's 9" wide wheels. So why even mention this? (I bet you did not even know that.) When people upgrade tires, they usually upgrade wheels first (to wider than stock's 9" wide rears).

jvc300

Arrie

Just a question smart ***: Do you have any knowledge of anything else than what wheels/tires fit on the car?

I have other things to do. I don't spend much time to find new tires and wheels. This is why I don't want to do any extra for the wheels.

And I highly doubt your expert opinion that 285 wide tire will not fit on the rim that takes 265 wide without any issues at all. This fitting in the car is then another story.

raymond g-

....which is very very intriguing, as the rolling distance (differential) between
the front and rear tires in those sizes is 1 inch.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

threeMBs

You're an idiot, sir.

1. I'm a part-time consultant for aftermarket wheel/tire fitments for my local MB dealer parts.

2. Minimum recommended wheel width for every tire manufacturer (for tire size 285) is 9.5" and "industry" recommended is 10". No reputable dealer will even attempt to install 285 width tire on 9" wide wheel as it is not safe.

3. I usually use the fantastic "ignore" future of this forum for idiots like you, so no reply is needed as I will no longer see you wonderfull and usefull ideas.

threeMBs

Not true: front (255/40-18 or 255/35-19) is 26" while rear (285/35-18 or 285/30-19) is 25.8". This is an acceptable 0.2" diameter verience for 4matics.

raymond g-

however that is not what the miata tire calc and another one says. be aware
that there are also manufacturing differences in sizes so same size can still
result in larger (or smaller) differences. it isn't if these are ISO standards
(surprisingly). the only way to confirm is to measure a specific set of tires
on hand

also, you can measure diameter and pretend that the fractions are small, by
comparison. but the traction control and associated equipment uses circum-
ference

threeMBs

True and that's why I do not just rely on handheld calculator. I rely on data provided by each tire manufacturer. The numbers posted above are based on data from the great majority of manufacturers.

hyperion667

Tjdehya

I have also added that genius to my ignore list, unfortunately whenever someone quotes them the text from the genius is not hidden.
I believe that the Genius is a troll. That would have to be the only reason why someone who has no idea what they are talking about would continue to spew senseless crap, act as if they cant comprehend basic English, ignore facts ,and completely make up crap to steer a valued member in the wrong direction.
Don't feed the troll!

raymond g-

yeah, i guess we're really two different roads leading to Rome...and saying pretty much recommending the same thing. we're just using data rather than bouncing breasts to make our point.

Arrie

Now,

go look at yourself in a mirror and feel good.

I knew it, you really don't know anything else than tires and rims. What a jerk you are.