BenzE350

I realize it's a bit technical - but looking for some comments...

K-A

Obviously I agree. It basically further confirms my accusations laid out here.

mikeyle

i felt the same way as ka, the luxury models actually stay unsold longer than the sport models and they were typically cheaper than similar sport models when i was shopping for my cpo, but the slightly higher ride height, and imo less attractive and smaller wheels turned me onto the harsher sport models.

dan1495

I'm so tired of listening to this crap. If you have an E Class and don't like the ride, get rid of it and quit complaining. If you used to have an E Class and didn't like the ride and got rid of it, quit complaining. Prior to my E550 I had a 2008 BMW 550 that was the biggest POS I have ever owned. I sold it, quit complaining about it and most importantly didn't hang out on the BMW forum continuing to complain about it until the end of time.
Thank you.

T.H.Carrera

Enjoy

K-A

Sorry but many people like their E's except the poor ride is a sore spot. Countless complaints on that regard, yet still no fixes from M-B.

I agree, the E60 5-Series sucked inside and out, that's why I skipped that generation for an E Class.

Many ex-BMW owners hang around the forums to complain. Most people don't mind it, as long as it's constructive. That's what passionate enthusiasts do. Not everyone goes on forums to stroke their ego's in respect to their choices, many are objective and there for impartial information as well.

T.H.Carrera

anybody liking that engine noise! music to my ears....

Tomspo04

Just me...if I had a bad experience, or moved on from a product, activity, or interest, and didn't have good things to say, other than cursory, strategically place compliments, when required to justify a rash of negativity, I would move on. It's just really is in bad taste (and socially unacceptable) to hang around pissing in the cornflakes of those who own and continue follow the product and enjoy conversing with others of the like.
There's a lot a inherent mean-spiritedness associated with hanging around to bash what you are no longer happy with or a part of. Yes, yes, I know...it's objective... Just my opinion. I'm no psychologist, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express about ten years ago.

petee1997

Are you starting to get it K-A? Sometimes enough is enough.

K-A

Considering I'm one of many complaining on the subject at hand, I'm flattered that so many single out my posts. I guess I my opinions get too far through for my own good?

There's nothing mean-spirited about not allowing a company to rest on their laurels and diminish the main reason people want them to begin with. If my impressions on suspension dynamics changed since I left the brand then that would be one thing, but they haven't as they've been consistent since I had my first E.

M-B has been given lots of slack by customers, which has resulted in going from 1st to 3rd in rapid timing in worldwide Luxury Car sales, about-facing design languages so rapidly that people now perceive facelifts to be all-new models (see "W213" that everybody is calling the facelifted E), etc. If no one speaks up about these things then nothing gets done. There's a difference between reckless and constructive criticism. If anyone here thinks my criticisms are reckless then I'd say "grow up" and you might have a complex. This is child's play compared to what you see on other forums when enthusiasts don't like the direction their "beloved" brand is taking. Just go to the F30 3 Series forums and see the constant E90 purists kicking and screaming.

drz

I feel obligated to respond and correct your post.
I have been on the road with Steely Dan during the first leg of there tour as Walter Becker plays my amps. I don't say this to bring attention to myself K-A but to inform you that members of this forum do have life's , and don't fill our days with raising our post count. On the side, if Steely Dan comes close to your town make it a point to see them, musical genius and top musicians
sharing the stage.

OK as for the FIX of the VERY POOR steering on the 5 , no it has not been changed on the 2013 models. There is talk of CORRECTING it in the 2014 LCI model, but I haven't read much about it as of late. Also the drift to right issue is still apparent and mostly found on the 535Xi models.

K-A I have been driving and owning BMW's since before you were born, love the brand but I have lately seen a change for the worse in their cars.
I know you are a Fanboy for BMW , with your want to be M5, but you should have spent the extra 30K and got the real thing, not a M5 body kit.

You say were you come from I'm a "troll baiter".
Well from were I come from your a Bull****ter.

I know what this post will bring as you will need to insult and defend your self
but the truth need to known, and if not questioned will be believed as fact.

DR.Z

K-A

First off, Doc, you're the only one hurling insults here. I'm talking cars, you "older" fellas are acting as if you know "me" based on this personality on a car forum. Seems you fellas also have a prejudice for a high post count. You jealous of it? Not really a big deal. I'm online all day long, multiple windows open, takes about a second to see what's going on in, and reply in car forums. I type, think, and multi-task fast. No need to hate me for it.

You clearly don't know much about the new 5-Series, as the steering has been improved each year with 2011's being a relatively broken product. Many people who *actually have* had 2011/2012 models who didn't like the steering have reported nice improvements on the 2013. The key is to get the model with the mechanical M suspension, as it changes a lot.

EDIT: Maybe you guys should go and scoff at every other member here who's called the W212 Sport suspension lousy. There are plenty of them. No need to keep flattering me by taking what I say so deep to heart.

K-A

Another interesting observation is that those who are so verklempt at how closely (obsessively) their following my every word, thus singling out things I say that even often echo what others also say, don't seem to realize I barely even post here. The only reason it would even appear that I do is because this forum has turned into a bore-zone compared to the activity of at least challenging, more colorful conversations it used to house.

A quick scan of the first page on this forum and I'm not active in the vast majority of conversations. So why so uppity when I provide something that challenges how you feel? Maybe because of the fact that 3/4's of this forums posts are becoming either vendor posts, and/or "wheels" related posts, etc (which is something as a "new" model just launched and usually when that happens you see more activity relating to debates about it, initial ownership, etc.). So one person who says something you don't like to hear in maybe a handful of threads can appear too "loud" for you? Maybe so.

alsyli

Uh, to get the thread back on topic (sort of.... instead of the silly personal attacks that are coming from multiple parties)....

I only skimmed parts of the article (actually, mainly just the ones you quoted), but is the article saying the opposite of this?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...port_update_7/

I'm not at all mechanically inclined when it comes to cars, unfortunately, but I do think that the bounce UP (when hitting a speed bump) seems to be the bigger problem in my car (which I think would be consistent w/ what the MT author is saying).

Perhaps an actual engineer could comment?