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The Motor Trend article speaks for itself about all your buttons and configurations. It's all smoke and mirrors. The buttons were BS on the M6 and are BS on the 535i no matter how many M stickers are on that car of yours.
A squeal of the tires is not a burn out. My Porsche can do it a bit in sport plus with launch control. These are things your can't do without a double clutch trans with 400 hp and 1000lbs less weight. Get realistic, you are losing all credibility and making a fool of yourself K-A. Stop smoking the drapes, it's affecting your common sense.
A squeal of the tires is not a burn out. My Porsche can do it a bit in sport plus with launch control. These are things your can't do without a double clutch trans with 400 hp and 1000lbs less weight. Get realistic, you are losing all credibility and making a fool of yourself K-A. Stop smoking the drapes, it's affecting your common sense.
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Yeah and Motor Trend always rates regular MB's namely E Classes last in comparisons so I guess they're right on that too.
The buttons make a night and day difference. If you have driven a new BMW with an open mind you'd realize that as its Jekyll and Hyde-esque. Though I remember from when I had MB's I'd hate the things other brands featured that my cars didn't thus using it as a reason to discredit them.
I know what a burnout is, and my car can roast em. Don't be so miffed that it can do it without a V8 TT needed that you convince yourself of false realities.
Do you know what power band means? Peak power means little here. Porsche has a high rpm power motor. The N55 makes PEAK TORQUE at 1,200 rpms. That's simply astounding for such an efficient motor. That's over 320 REAL crank TORQUE at basically idle. Yes it can roast em.
The buttons make a night and day difference. If you have driven a new BMW with an open mind you'd realize that as its Jekyll and Hyde-esque. Though I remember from when I had MB's I'd hate the things other brands featured that my cars didn't thus using it as a reason to discredit them.
I know what a burnout is, and my car can roast em. Don't be so miffed that it can do it without a V8 TT needed that you convince yourself of false realities.
Do you know what power band means? Peak power means little here. Porsche has a high rpm power motor. The N55 makes PEAK TORQUE at 1,200 rpms. That's simply astounding for such an efficient motor. That's over 320 REAL crank TORQUE at basically idle. Yes it can roast em.
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Yeah and Motor Trend always rates regular MB's namely E Classes last in comparisons so I guess they're right on that too.
The buttons make a night and day difference. If you have driven a new BMW with an open mind you'd realize that as its Jekyll and Hyde-esque. Though I remember from when I had MB's I'd hate the things other brands featured that my cars didn't thus using it as a reason to discredit them.
I know what a burnout is, and my car can roast em. Don't be so miffed that it can do it without a V8 TT needed that you convince yourself of false realities.
Do you know what power band means? Peak power means little here. Porsche has a high rpm power motor. The N55 makes PEAK TORQUE at 1,200 rpms. That's simply astounding for such an efficient motor. That's over 320 REAL crank TORQUE at basically idle. Yes it can roast em.
The buttons make a night and day difference. If you have driven a new BMW with an open mind you'd realize that as its Jekyll and Hyde-esque. Though I remember from when I had MB's I'd hate the things other brands featured that my cars didn't thus using it as a reason to discredit them.
I know what a burnout is, and my car can roast em. Don't be so miffed that it can do it without a V8 TT needed that you convince yourself of false realities.
Do you know what power band means? Peak power means little here. Porsche has a high rpm power motor. The N55 makes PEAK TORQUE at 1,200 rpms. That's simply astounding for such an efficient motor. That's over 320 REAL crank TORQUE at basically idle. Yes it can roast em.
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^ those "feel" changes you guys enjoy are completely fake. i would also go so far as to say almost dangerous under certain driving conditions where the car is being pushed. the effect is the exact opposite of what you're thinking - it disconnects the car and the driver by inserting a processing unit between the two.
the feedback/input from the car is given to the processor to make adjustments (instead of to the driver) based on,what it thinks the car is doing... and vice versa in reverse - driver input is passed to the processor which makes adjustments based on what it thinks the driver is doing.
i guess i'm old school but i don't like that if a car is advertised as sporty. i just want an actual sports car with a mechanical feel.
the feedback/input from the car is given to the processor to make adjustments (instead of to the driver) based on,what it thinks the car is doing... and vice versa in reverse - driver input is passed to the processor which makes adjustments based on what it thinks the driver is doing.
i guess i'm old school but i don't like that if a car is advertised as sporty. i just want an actual sports car with a mechanical feel.
Our 7 series has the sport & sport plus and DS mode and it does change the behavior of the car. The car won't be faster, but DS is activated in the Sport settings and the shift points are much more aggressive than in comfort and the suspension stiffens up to give you a sportier feel. Sport plus adjusts the ESP settings and gives the car a bit more play.
That said, it feels better but will give you no performance improvements whatsoever. K-A is overly optimistic in his description of his BMW. The F10 series clearly is too heavy to make that car go very fast. It's a cruiser. That engine in a 3 series is fun however.
Interestingly, the the 7-speed in our SL behaves very different than past MB trannies. When driving in city traffic, past trannies became lazy with their shift points due to their fuzzy logic learning mode and only the ECU reset would give you fresh shifting performance. In our new SL, all I need to do is to shift aggressively in M-mode and then switch back to S and the transmission shifts like the DS mode in the BMW.
The inline six from BMW is a great engine to be sure and has been the companies mainstay but MB's new TT V8's is miles beyond what BMW has to offer on the V8 side. More power, less consumption...
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For heaven`s sake Petee, don't bring a 4 Magic to this. For sure as heavy car as the CLS is it cannot do it with the power and tranny it has. To "roast" 4 tires under a car takes a bit more power to do.
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I just came across this thread using Activity Stream and it is hilarious. A fun read to be sure
Our 7 series has the sport & sport plus and DS mode and it does change the behavior of the car. The car won't be faster, but DS is activated in the Sport settings and the shift points are much more aggressive than in comfort and the suspension stiffens up to give you a sportier feel. Sport plus adjusts the ESP settings and gives the car a bit more play.
That said, it feels better but will give you no performance improvements whatsoever. K-A is overly optimistic in his description of his BMW. The F10 series clearly is too heavy to make that car go very fast. It's a cruiser. That engine in a 3 series is fun however.
Interestingly, the the 7-speed in our SL behaves very different than past MB trannies. When driving in city traffic, past trannies became lazy with their shift points due to their fuzzy logic learning mode and only the ECU reset would give you fresh shifting performance. In our new SL, all I need to do is to shift aggressively in M-mode and then switch back to S and the transmission shifts like the DS mode in the BMW.
The inline six from BMW is a great engine to be sure and has been the companies mainstay but MB's new TT V8's is miles beyond what BMW has to offer on the V8 side. More power, less consumption...
Our 7 series has the sport & sport plus and DS mode and it does change the behavior of the car. The car won't be faster, but DS is activated in the Sport settings and the shift points are much more aggressive than in comfort and the suspension stiffens up to give you a sportier feel. Sport plus adjusts the ESP settings and gives the car a bit more play.
That said, it feels better but will give you no performance improvements whatsoever. K-A is overly optimistic in his description of his BMW. The F10 series clearly is too heavy to make that car go very fast. It's a cruiser. That engine in a 3 series is fun however.
Interestingly, the the 7-speed in our SL behaves very different than past MB trannies. When driving in city traffic, past trannies became lazy with their shift points due to their fuzzy logic learning mode and only the ECU reset would give you fresh shifting performance. In our new SL, all I need to do is to shift aggressively in M-mode and then switch back to S and the transmission shifts like the DS mode in the BMW.
The inline six from BMW is a great engine to be sure and has been the companies mainstay but MB's new TT V8's is miles beyond what BMW has to offer on the V8 side. More power, less consumption...
And I never said the F10 wasn't a luxury cruiser, I simply describe what it is capable of getting across with the right setups on top of that.
If two drivers are at 40 mph, one in Comfort and one in Sport, the latter will "win" every time, he's in his power band sweet spot and the snappier throttle and shifts will get the job done. Sport Mode doesn't add any power but it will in similar circumstances make the car react much faster and have you at rpm's that are actually generating more power. BMW's Sport Mode is as good as it gets on a mass car.
MB's TT V8 is far from better than BMWs. Not only is it comparable to the TTV8 BMW started using in 09 with 400 HP, but it's simply outdone by the 2014 5 Series' N63tu TT V8 with 445 HP (BMW also underrates their motors). I've driven MB's TTV8 and although it pulls so hard it'll give you a headache, I don't like how it acts at low rpm's so much as not only is the 7G killing its sharpness and capabilities, but probably to not jar the demographic who buys it, even in MBs non existent "Sport" Mode, they seemed to engineer in some noticeable turbo lag in (or it's just a characteristic of the motor), so you don't really feel that it's a "TTV8" until you give it a little push.
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The newest iteration of the seemingly always beta 7G may be "better" but it's still garbage compared to the competition (ZF) and doesn't compare to the ZF8. I applaud MBs trying to keep trannies in house but if the 9G sucks then it's probably best that MB throw in the towel and buy from ZF as well.
And I never said the F10 wasn't a luxury cruiser, I simply describe what it is capable of getting across with the right setups on top of that.
If two drivers are at 40 mph, one in Comfort and one in Sport, the latter will "win" every time, he's in his power band sweet spot and the snappier throttle and shifts will get the job done. Sport Mode doesn't add any power but it will in similar circumstances make the car react much faster and have you at rpm's that are actually generating more power. BMW's Sport Mode is as good as it gets on a mass car.
MB's TT V8 is far from better than BMWs. Not only is it comparable to the TTV8 BMW started using in 09 with 400 HP, but it's simply outdone by the 2014 5 Series' N63tu TT V8 with 445 HP (BMW also underrates their motors). I've driven MB's TTV8 and although it pulls so hard it'll give you a headache, I don't like how it acts at low rpm's so much as not only is the 7G killing its sharpness and capabilities, but probably to not jar the demographic who buys it, even in MBs non existent "Sport" Mode, they seemed to engineer in some noticeable turbo lag in (or it's just a characteristic of the motor), so you don't really feel that it's a "TTV8" until you give it a little push.
And I never said the F10 wasn't a luxury cruiser, I simply describe what it is capable of getting across with the right setups on top of that.
If two drivers are at 40 mph, one in Comfort and one in Sport, the latter will "win" every time, he's in his power band sweet spot and the snappier throttle and shifts will get the job done. Sport Mode doesn't add any power but it will in similar circumstances make the car react much faster and have you at rpm's that are actually generating more power. BMW's Sport Mode is as good as it gets on a mass car.
MB's TT V8 is far from better than BMWs. Not only is it comparable to the TTV8 BMW started using in 09 with 400 HP, but it's simply outdone by the 2014 5 Series' N63tu TT V8 with 445 HP (BMW also underrates their motors). I've driven MB's TTV8 and although it pulls so hard it'll give you a headache, I don't like how it acts at low rpm's so much as not only is the 7G killing its sharpness and capabilities, but probably to not jar the demographic who buys it, even in MBs non existent "Sport" Mode, they seemed to engineer in some noticeable turbo lag in (or it's just a characteristic of the motor), so you don't really feel that it's a "TTV8" until you give it a little push.
E63 V8TT WAGON with 7MCT (not even double clutch tranny; imagine having a double clutch in there) ...let me repeat a WAGON (with out "Sport" button
) is spanking Aston Martin Vanquish, Bentley Continental GT Speed, BMW M5 and M6, Ferrari California, Jaguar F-Type V8 S, and the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S.BMW F10 has the worst steering in the BMW history. It is electronic and the response you get is FAKE (software magic vs. real feed back from the road) let me repeat FAKE. And if you think that fake feeling you get from your steering is "aggressive, sporty, race bread....." then Sir I am speechless.
BTW MB does not "fake" what it is not unlike BMW. This is why I said many times, BMW has lost it essence and in doing so they have gained Lexus, Infiniti, Caddy, etc.. buyers
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E63 V8TT WAGON with 7MCT (not even double clutch tranny; imagine having a double clutch in there) ...let me repeat a WAGON (with out "Sport" button
) is spanking Aston Martin Vanquish, Bentley Continental GT Speed, BMW M5 and M6, Ferrari California, Jaguar F-Type V8 S, and the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S.BMW F10 has the worst steering in the BMW history. It is electronic and the response you get is FAKE (software magic vs. real feed back from the road) let me repeat FAKE. And if you think that fake feeling you get from your steering is "aggressive, sporty, race bread....." then Sir I am speechless.
BTW MB does not "fake" what it is not unlike BMW. This is why I said many times, BMW has lost it essence and in doing so they have gained Lexus, Infiniti, Caddy, etc.. buyers M-B is honest about making an inferior product in every respect? Ok I guess so.
The F10 is the best 5er in BMW history, maybe the best rounded BMW in history as it has taken on levels of luxury, tech, materials/fit & finish and solidity (and safety) that no BMW before it really did. With an M suspension it doesn't give up much if anything from 5ers before it in sportiness and steering is very well sorted. The W212's flimsy overbooosted steering surely isn't a good benchmark, neither is an E65.
The F10 is the first 5er in history to steal so much market share from the E Class that is crushing it in Global Sales (first time ever) resulting in an embarrassing about-facelift by the E to try and reclaim any level of competition.
But no, the world is wrong, and you're right.... BMW should go back to making cars that look and drive like your 12 year old E65 chassis.
You clearly are one of those many old-school BMW heads who clings to your passed model and has an agenda against BMW's newly found successful formula (they literally claimed the Luxury Sales title for the first time ever when the F10 launched & held it.... hmm wonder why? Very impressive considering M-B is more diluted with lots more models on the ground & lets their cars regularly go for 15-25+% off of sticker), but hating on what brought so many of us TO BMW won't make your E65 any more desirable.
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BTW AMG is a whole different story. AMG's feel NOTHING like regular Benzes these days. It's what makes regular BMW's so great, i.e extremely quiet and smooth/isolating chassis' that hurts the "rawness" expected of an M. M-B's these days on the other hand have become more spartan and rough, allowing AMG something to work with to provide very connected and raw characteristics.
Magazine journo's are single-minded for the same reasons that get regular M-B's in last place for all their tests: They like raw, loud and hard cars. They don't have the real world consumers in mind.
Nearly every test states the M5 is far superior to the E63 in real world virtues relating to comfort, refinement, interior, etc, not to mention it also I believe puts up better numbers so this "drivers car" mumbo jumbo is the subjective opinion of one guy who thinks a car is judged solely by how much of the road you can feel. As an overall car that is judged much further than just road feel, the M cars still hold the crown, IMO.
Magazine journo's are single-minded for the same reasons that get regular M-B's in last place for all their tests: They like raw, loud and hard cars. They don't have the real world consumers in mind.
Nearly every test states the M5 is far superior to the E63 in real world virtues relating to comfort, refinement, interior, etc, not to mention it also I believe puts up better numbers so this "drivers car" mumbo jumbo is the subjective opinion of one guy who thinks a car is judged solely by how much of the road you can feel. As an overall car that is judged much further than just road feel, the M cars still hold the crown, IMO.
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Hey 220, as you can see, nothing really changes on the MB Forum. I'm still argumentative even when I'm wrong and K-A is pontificating on his ride of the day with all his flowery prose and sometimes not so accurate facts.
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The newest iteration of the seemingly always beta 7G may be "better" but it's still garbage compared to the competition (ZF) and doesn't compare to the ZF8. I applaud MBs trying to keep trannies in house but if the 9G sucks then it's probably best that MB throw in the towel and buy from ZF as well.
And I never said the F10 wasn't a luxury cruiser, I simply describe what it is capable of getting across with the right setups on top of that.
If two drivers are at 40 mph, one in Comfort and one in Sport, the latter will "win" every time, he's in his power band sweet spot and the snappier throttle and shifts will get the job done. Sport Mode doesn't add any power but it will in similar circumstances make the car react much faster and have you at rpm's that are actually generating more power. BMW's Sport Mode is as good as it gets on a mass car.
MB's TT V8 is far from better than BMWs. Not only is it comparable to the TTV8 BMW started using in 09 with 400 HP, but it's simply outdone by the 2014 5 Series' N63tu TT V8 with 445 HP (BMW also underrates their motors). I've driven MB's TTV8 and although it pulls so hard it'll give you a headache, I don't like how it acts at low rpm's so much as not only is the 7G killing its sharpness and capabilities, but probably to not jar the demographic who buys it, even in MBs non existent "Sport" Mode, they seemed to engineer in some noticeable turbo lag in (or it's just a characteristic of the motor), so you don't really feel that it's a "TTV8" until you give it a little push.
And I never said the F10 wasn't a luxury cruiser, I simply describe what it is capable of getting across with the right setups on top of that.
If two drivers are at 40 mph, one in Comfort and one in Sport, the latter will "win" every time, he's in his power band sweet spot and the snappier throttle and shifts will get the job done. Sport Mode doesn't add any power but it will in similar circumstances make the car react much faster and have you at rpm's that are actually generating more power. BMW's Sport Mode is as good as it gets on a mass car.
MB's TT V8 is far from better than BMWs. Not only is it comparable to the TTV8 BMW started using in 09 with 400 HP, but it's simply outdone by the 2014 5 Series' N63tu TT V8 with 445 HP (BMW also underrates their motors). I've driven MB's TTV8 and although it pulls so hard it'll give you a headache, I don't like how it acts at low rpm's so much as not only is the 7G killing its sharpness and capabilities, but probably to not jar the demographic who buys it, even in MBs non existent "Sport" Mode, they seemed to engineer in some noticeable turbo lag in (or it's just a characteristic of the motor), so you don't really feel that it's a "TTV8" until you give it a little push.
Much lower torque output, much less tunable than MB's counterpart, plus less life expectancy. It is well known that these engines run too hot (they are running over 105 degrees Celsius). Mine does too...
As far as BMW under rating engines, so does MB
As for the 7 speed, we continue to disagree. Keep in mind that your choice of words disqualify your opinions.
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The BMW V8 a better engine? As usual, you speak in absolutes without sufficient knowledge.
Much lower torque output, much less tunable than MB's counterpart, plus less life expectancy. It is well known that these engines run too hot (they are running over 105 degrees Celsius). Mine does too...
As far as BMW under rating engines, so does MB
As for the 7 speed, we continue to disagree. Keep in mind that your choice of words disqualify your opinions.
Much lower torque output, much less tunable than MB's counterpart, plus less life expectancy. It is well known that these engines run too hot (they are running over 105 degrees Celsius). Mine does too...
As far as BMW under rating engines, so does MB
As for the 7 speed, we continue to disagree. Keep in mind that your choice of words disqualify your opinions.
The BMW V8 actually outperforms the MB V8, however your SL believe had the higher po V8 so that may not be the case there. I'm using the tune that comes on the E/CLS V8's as a basis as that's what I've driven (400 HP). The 445 BMW N63tu felt more impressive and intense and MB has always been a step behind BMW in engine engineering potential (MB's turbo 4 pales in comparison next to BMWs turbo 4, MB's V6 is no match for BMW's I6 T, and as for diesels BMW has the best in the game, the EU 535d and M550d's absolutely annihilate MB's best attempts).
Just because my delivery is the way it is and I'm not sweetening up my words doesn't disqualify said words, every single thing I've said is true and/or I provide truthful reasonings as to at least how I personally drew those conclusions. I can play the same game and say someone who disagrees is too married to the MB brand to see it the same way.
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Wait, wolfman, its your 750 a pre facelift? If so your continuous reasoning to use it as an accurate example of representing BMW is truly off the mark and misrepresenting and NO WONDER you always speak so highly of the 7G and never truly acknowledge just how vastly superior the ZF 8 is, like most do.
The power train in the pre facelift 7 with its 6 Speed is EONS behind a BMW with the 8 Speed and your comparison of your 400 HP V8 is not representing the NEW V8 in BMW cars with 445HP which simply outclasses and out performs MB's 400HP V8 and is a BIG improvement in every way from BMWs previous 400 HP one in your 7, not only in performance related aspects but also in things like reducing oil consumption and better cooling, and reliability.
The power train in the pre facelift 7 with its 6 Speed is EONS behind a BMW with the 8 Speed and your comparison of your 400 HP V8 is not representing the NEW V8 in BMW cars with 445HP which simply outclasses and out performs MB's 400HP V8 and is a BIG improvement in every way from BMWs previous 400 HP one in your 7, not only in performance related aspects but also in things like reducing oil consumption and better cooling, and reliability.
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E63 V8TT WAGON with 7MCT (not even double clutch tranny; imagine having a double clutch in there) ...let me repeat a WAGON (with out "Sport" button
) is spanking Aston Martin Vanquish, Bentley Continental GT Speed, BMW M5 and M6, Ferrari California, Jaguar F-Type V8 S, and the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S.The 911 4s would beat your E63 in a full blown road race. Yes, the naught to sixty times favor the AMG, as soon as the AMG hits the first turn and the MB will do a full 360.
The jaguar is easy to beat because it will have electrical problems anyways. The vanquish has naught to sixty times close enough that the driver could make a difference. Still, it's a coupe' and would kill a station wagon on a track.
Put the big boy racing helmet on and a race a 911 TT. At the track. Turbo vs turbo. It will make you cry, but there's no crying in racing.....
" my button is faster than your button "......
Now pass the popcorn....
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You wouldn't know as it's obvious you're yet another who armchair judges by not having driven one. Sure, they don't make 'em like the E65 7 Series anymore.
M-B is honest about making an inferior product in every respect? Ok I guess so.
The F10 is the best 5er in BMW history, maybe the best rounded BMW in history as it has taken on levels of luxury, tech, materials/fit & finish and solidity (and safety) that no BMW before it really did. With an M suspension it doesn't give up much if anything from 5ers before it in sportiness and steering is very well sorted. The W212's flimsy overbooosted steering surely isn't a good benchmark, neither is an E65.
The F10 is the first 5er in history to steal so much market share from the E Class that is crushing it in Global Sales (first time ever) resulting in an embarrassing about-facelift by the E to try and reclaim any level of competition.
But no, the world is wrong, and you're right.... BMW should go back to making cars that look and drive like your 12 year old E65 chassis.
You clearly are one of those many old-school BMW heads who clings to your passed model and has an agenda against BMW's newly found successful formula (they literally claimed the Luxury Sales title for the first time ever when the F10 launched & held it.... hmm wonder why? Very impressive considering M-B is more diluted with lots more models on the ground & lets their cars regularly go for 15-25+% off of sticker), but hating on what brought so many of us TO BMW won't make your E65 any more desirable.
M-B is honest about making an inferior product in every respect? Ok I guess so.
The F10 is the best 5er in BMW history, maybe the best rounded BMW in history as it has taken on levels of luxury, tech, materials/fit & finish and solidity (and safety) that no BMW before it really did. With an M suspension it doesn't give up much if anything from 5ers before it in sportiness and steering is very well sorted. The W212's flimsy overbooosted steering surely isn't a good benchmark, neither is an E65.
The F10 is the first 5er in history to steal so much market share from the E Class that is crushing it in Global Sales (first time ever) resulting in an embarrassing about-facelift by the E to try and reclaim any level of competition.
But no, the world is wrong, and you're right.... BMW should go back to making cars that look and drive like your 12 year old E65 chassis.
You clearly are one of those many old-school BMW heads who clings to your passed model and has an agenda against BMW's newly found successful formula (they literally claimed the Luxury Sales title for the first time ever when the F10 launched & held it.... hmm wonder why? Very impressive considering M-B is more diluted with lots more models on the ground & lets their cars regularly go for 15-25+% off of sticker), but hating on what brought so many of us TO BMW won't make your E65 any more desirable.
True:E65 is a night mare; nothing but problem - the only reason I got it because I got 23.6% off the MRSP
(talk about discount and it was in Redskins colors). And it is more than you can ever afford The history of BMW (ppl who owned previous BMWs) compels the buyers to purchase the new model and only time will tell if the Lexus like approach is working or not. Ever since the philosophy of BMW has changed so does the rating (media, owners, etc..) has went down the drain.
Apparently BMW marketing has done an excellent job to make you think that "sport" is superior to a non sport BMW model/mode. Hats off to them.
BMW F10 electronic steering feel = Play station 3 joy stick feel. If you can prove there is any difference between the two - please do share (not your BS though)
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Post the track times! Because you pass someone on the street doesn't make it the fastest. What's laughable is how the 911 has come up a couple of times in this war of the sedans. Just because you make the next stoplight first doesn't mean squat.
The 911 4s would beat your E63 in a full blown road race. Yes, the naught to sixty times favor the AMG, as soon as the AMG hits the first turn and the MB will do a full 360.
The jaguar is easy to beat because it will have electrical problems anyways. The vanquish has naught to sixty times close enough that the driver could make a difference. Still, it's a coupe' and would kill a station wagon on a track.
Put the big boy racing helmet on and a race a 911 TT. At the track. Turbo vs turbo. It will make you cry, but there's no crying in racing.....
" my button is faster than your button "......
Now pass the popcorn....
The 911 4s would beat your E63 in a full blown road race. Yes, the naught to sixty times favor the AMG, as soon as the AMG hits the first turn and the MB will do a full 360.
The jaguar is easy to beat because it will have electrical problems anyways. The vanquish has naught to sixty times close enough that the driver could make a difference. Still, it's a coupe' and would kill a station wagon on a track.
Put the big boy racing helmet on and a race a 911 TT. At the track. Turbo vs turbo. It will make you cry, but there's no crying in racing.....
" my button is faster than your button "......
Now pass the popcorn....
I didn't said that - Motor trend said that. Love the Porsche 911 - nothing against it. I used to own a 2004 911 4S back in the days. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...on_first_test/
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Sir - Your BS always cracks me up and makes me coming back.
True:E65 is a night mare; nothing but problem - the only reason I got it because I got 23.6% off the MRSP (talk about discount and it was in Redskins colors). And it is more than you can ever afford
The history of BMW (ppl who owned previous BMWs) compels the buyers to purchase the new model and only time will tell if the Lexus like approach is working or not. Ever since the philosophy of BMW has changed so does the rating (media, owners, etc..) has went down the drain.
Apparently BMW marketing has done an excellent job to make you think that "sport" is superior to a non sport BMW model/mode. Hats off to them.
BMW F10 electronic steering feel = Play station 3 joy stick feel. If you can prove there is any difference between the two - please do share (not your BS though)
True:E65 is a night mare; nothing but problem - the only reason I got it because I got 23.6% off the MRSP
(talk about discount and it was in Redskins colors). And it is more than you can ever afford The history of BMW (ppl who owned previous BMWs) compels the buyers to purchase the new model and only time will tell if the Lexus like approach is working or not. Ever since the philosophy of BMW has changed so does the rating (media, owners, etc..) has went down the drain.
Apparently BMW marketing has done an excellent job to make you think that "sport" is superior to a non sport BMW model/mode. Hats off to them.
BMW F10 electronic steering feel = Play station 3 joy stick feel. If you can prove there is any difference between the two - please do share (not your BS though)
You've hilariously never even driven an F10, but I'll educate you again: The only way to get the outstanding M suspension is by getting an M Sport 535i/550i in 2013 or after. Sport + also only with SAT which is only an option on M Sport models. The M suspension makes the F10 far and away the most dynamic car in class in terms of luxury-meets-sport, the E Class simply can't compare in even one way, not one bit.
It'll even have you looking to offload that E65 to the first guy with $10K in his pocket to join the right side and have a finally experience-based epiphany.
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And time after time you have proven nothing but your slick BS. I drove an F10; rented it from AVIS - it was as vanilla as it could get.
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Man you really have no idea about the F10 at all, do you?! $50K for a 535i specc'd like mine? LOL You're like a knee jerk reaction of hate.
BTW, you know that all-new motor'd E400 that's set to replace the E550 as the top tier E Class? Well it got beat by a 535i in a magazine test. So MB's upcoming E Class flagship (non AMG) gets tossed by a mid-range 535i since we're all so "Magazine-y" now. Imagine how bad it'll look when it goes up against the 550i!
Even in straight line performance the "new" E400 barely nudges ahead of the heavier 535i with its 4 year old flawless I6.
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There you go, you drove a blank canvas. Drive a proper F10 equipped like mine (M suspension, 535i+, SAT) and you'll finally understand the things I'm teaching you of.
Yet still exemplifies your immaculate taste in choosing the most hideous thing to come out of Germany since WWII.
Man you really have no idea about the F10 at all, do you?! $50K for a 535i specc'd like mine? LOL You're like a knee jerk reaction of hate.
Yet still exemplifies your immaculate taste in choosing the most hideous thing to come out of Germany since WWII.
Man you really have no idea about the F10 at all, do you?! $50K for a 535i specc'd like mine? LOL You're like a knee jerk reaction of hate.
7 is the daddy of all the BMWs - can't believe you don't even know where you came from loool technology trickles down from 7 to the rest. 
FYI - BMW of Sterling has 147 2013s sitting on lot - all going below invoice. I can get a 535 M just like your for less than 55K out the door. Let me know if you want to see it on the paper - put your money where your mouth is.
I bet you have a Fake M5 badge on the back as well - admit it
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7 is the daddy of all the BMWs - can't believe you don't even know where you came from loool technology trickles down from 7 to the rest.
FYI - BMW of Sterling has 147 2013s sitting on lot - all going below invoice. I can get a 535 M just like your for less than 55K out the door. Let me know if you want to see it on the paper - put your money where your mouth is.
Since you could not find any comparison done in States - went all the way to Germany - Nice try slick
I bet you have a Fake M5 badge on the back as well - admit it
FYI - BMW of Sterling has 147 2013s sitting on lot - all going below invoice. I can get a 535 M just like your for less than 55K out the door. Let me know if you want to see it on the paper - put your money where your mouth is.
Since you could not find any comparison done in States - went all the way to Germany - Nice try slick
I bet you have a Fake M5 badge on the back as well - admit it
7 Series actually represents BMW core values the least. The F01 didn't even have LED Angel Eyes or an 8 Speed auto so "trickle down theory" isn't always the case.
Wow, $55K on out-of-production-before-a-FACELIFT basic spec/low MSRP 2013 F10 after discounts? That's about $7K more than already discounted 2014 FACELIFT E350's.
By the end of the year people will be getting $58K E350's for $45K again, on NEW FACELIFTED models at that. I guess Mercedes can say their about-facelift is "vision accomplished" (if by that you mean a disturbingly forced kit-car looking change to have leases going out in the mid $400's already, i.e competitive to 328i Leases) . Look no further than how extensive these brands had to change their cars to see how regarded by their own makers they are. The E in a losing-marketshare disaster mode had a hilariously "Hopefully people think this is an all new car" makeover while the F10's facelift so subtle because BMW said "We don't want to mess with perfection and the 5 Series is timeless.... and we won't screw early buyers". I won't support a manufacturer who won't stand behind their own work and will compromise the dignity of how their key models therefore age.Lol, now you're clinging to straws. These cars COME from Germany and U.S rags are known to base their "darlings of the moment" on advertising (*cough* bribes). The 535i handily beating the NEW flagship E400 shows how far ahead of the E350 it is. 535/550's Series' always crush their E Class counterparts in U.S magazine tests as well, so nothing new, but continually impressive.
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One brilliant side-effect by my friend Petee's attempts at this thread is that it gives the W212 forum what it clearly craves so much.... its own little "K-A corner"
Poster beware, you've entered the jungle.
Poster beware, you've entered the jungle.
