For those who don't read German, that's not what the article said at all. The BMW was ranked first by only a few points due to price. And they made that very clear in the AutoBild article (and read the main article, too.)

I was pointed to this thread yesterday by a BMW owner. (fwiw, I bought a '72 3.0CS E9 this summer and had it fully restored during the last few months; I'm also quite familiar with the dealership where K-A leased his car.)

Both manufacturers make excellent cars for their targeted demographic. While characteristics and personalities of each brand can be discussed objectively, those characteristics then become subjective since they will appeal differently for each individual. We pick our products based on objective criteria (e.g., what's printed in magazines, etc.) but then we are subjective in how we filter that criteria. People buy products for a wide variety of reasons, some rational and some not.

But what confuses me is why people have this urge to convince the rest of the world that the choice they made is the 'best' choice and that they own the 'best' product. Reading this thread is like listening in on a grade school lunchroom conversation. It's almost as bad as the prepubescent JDM ricer forums (which is why I made a few sarcastic 'prepubescent' remarks in my initial posts; i.e., trying to emulate the same tone of the 'tire roasting' comments.)

One can discuss cars in a constructive manner and not in an 'insecure little boy' behavior. Google will keep this thread alive for eternity. 'Tire roasting' will be forever linked to Mercedes Benz and BMW owners, normally a demographic of intelligent and thoughtful individuals who are simply enthusiastic about automobiles in all shapes and forms. I suppose easy leasing and cheap 2nd hand cars has watered down that demographic quite a bit these days, but one still has to consider themselves as a kind of ambassador to a particular brand. And that style of ambassadorship is what can often result in unkind stereotypes of brand names that we get stuck with forever, even though those stereotypes have no real bearing on the actual product itself.

When I left the Mercedes brand I simply stated that it "wasn't the right fit for me personally." I never came back here to tell Mercedes owners that I made the better choice and that their choice is inferior. What's the point? To make myself feel better and feel more secure with my choice? Hey, it's fine to discuss the characteristics of the 5er vs the E (I like hearing about it) but why do it in such a provocative and 'better than' juvie manner. (And Petee, stop poking the hornet's nest. )

K-A, why not give it a rest. There's no reason to go on with this and provoke people who are quite comfortable with the choices they make. You wouldn't behave like this on Bimmerfest, where you want respect. And you're now risking making BMW owners kind of look bad (which is why I was directed to this thread in the first place )

 

You're right I would never behave like this on Bimmerfest as over there I'm much closer to the "real" me and take the respect of other members seriously and am not active for entertainment purposes.

Issue here is, as per usual I feel like I'm the one being provoked and whether I was pro or anti MB here, I never felt people on this forum respected each other namely those who just wanted to escape into their car enthusiasm, and the same people hated "me" when I had my E anyway so this BMW thing just slightly shifts conversation subject, which is precisely why I don't really care to sugarcoat anymore. Therefore I simply see it as giving the people what they want (though all my opinions in this thread are honest and 100% my true impressions with all the facts I know as well as opinions as my vehicle, at this point I'm under the impression that it's no-holds barred jest fest, hence my delivery and outright statements).

This thread was obviously started as the ultimate flame bait thread of BMW VS MB so I'm sure Petee knew what to expect coming from me on MBWorld.

LOL this is true but MBWorld is so far gone on that at this point. I remember a thread in O/T awhile back stating the unbecoming things you'd see coming from MBWorld on the Google front keyword pages. One was "Hitler" and/or "****". Plus the W212 Forum has never really been the beacon of intelligence and maturity. It's generally passionless and bore volume with generic "Wheels/drop/Star grille" type threads and the only large threads are full of childish behavior from all sides.

 

Aloha 220! lets see some of the pictures of that '72

 

I enjoy them all I'm thinking of the 4s for my next round.

 

Quote from KA: Plus the W212 Forum has never really been the beacon of intelligence and maturity. It's generally passionless and bore volume with generic "Wheels/drop/Star grille" type threads and the only large threads are full of childish behavior from all sides.

Really KA, you are a piece of work. Just not cool Buddy. Amazing to me that you leased 3 E classes and while you had them, spoke so highly about them and you were very active on this forum.. Now, you switch to BMW and have nothing but negative remarks about the E and the w212 people in this forum. I'll end my thoughts by saying, your new 5 series is a very nice car and I am glad that you are happy with your purchase. Please stop, belittling people on this forum, and trying to prove that your car is better than everyone else's. Cheers

 

Thank God. Adult supervision has arrived..

 

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[QUOTE=220S;5767443] (And Petee, stop poking the hornet's nest. )



You are absolutely correct in your comments. Your days as a former prof are evident when you point out the lack of maturity some of us have.

That being said, I make no excuses for my behavior but I must admit it amuses me so, to pull K-A's chain and .. p r i c k .. his inflated, know it all ego. (the site will not let me write p r i c k without the spaces)

 

Sir - you are full of BS and sound like a used car sales man.

And KA suck on this - my new 14 S8 - more than you can even dream.
Cheers!

Finalized the deal last night and got good money for my E66 - can't complain

 

Wow...very nice. The S8 is such class, and you continue the trend of people here who buy based on their own tastes and likes, rather than leasing at the bargain basement to feel like they're part of a certain class of person. Trying not to name names so as to not feed the troll that goes on and on about pipe dreams of a 911, ghibli, etc.

 

my 911 is for sale

 

The Turbo? I like having both. Would you PM me your asking price?

 

Hype, what will replace the 911?

 

no sweat
hoping to sell it and my 550 to go towards the new S boat

 

I've read great things about that car. The technology in that sucker will raise the bar for the whole industry. I'd love to own one but if I even look at another car right now, my wife will have me committed.

 

it's true, the car has generated a lot of excitement here in the forums too.....
with the second child on the way, figured it'd be a good move and a good reason for such a boat

I'm sure your wife just wants you to be happy man haha

 

Congratulations Hype on the future arrival. Obviously, you are not always on line.

 

Many thanx Peetee, sometimes it seems I am on all the time lol

 

dude
why we all need to see this naked woman and naked asses again and again
WTF, every time my wife look on my screen she thinks i am on a porno site
aaaaaaaaaaaa here MORE ASSES for you

 

Found this thread from E60.net and I have to say after reading the whole thread, I have to say the only thing that has stuck in my mind is who that girl is in Hyperion667's sig Really, I must know.....that is pure perfection there.

On an automotive note, I will start by saying I think both manufacturers have equal pros and cons and really, it all comes down to individual preferences. I've always thought that if you combined BMW's handling with MB's AMG power, that would truly be the ultimate machine.

The one thing I do want to mention is that having owned a few M cars in the past and currently owning an E60 M5 I can say that the "sport" button does really make a difference with regards to throttle response, and on newer models the handling and shift patterns. One thing I actually loved about the "Sport" button is that if I was cruising in non-sport and switched to "sport", the car would actually lunge forward. This was especially felt with the M models. So for those who are stating the sport button is just a marketing ploy, you are sorely mistaking.

 

You kids still bickering in here?

 

Notice it's only the Benz guys claiming the Sport button is a marketing ploy. I wonder why, lol.

Yes in Mercedes many things entitled "Sport" are marketing gimmicks, but don't let the sour grapes cloud some of you from realizing truly great and sportily engineered Sport modes.

 

here's another description of the modern BMW sporting experience from C&D April 2013:

"Even with all its many driver-adjustable settings for steering effort, throttle response, and suspension stiffness, it’s impossible to make the M6 fully at home on winding roads. The steering is duller than the others, and the body wallows and leans more as the mass pushes the suspension around. An overriding sense of isolation meant the clearest feedback we got came from our drivers, complaining that they felt less confident driving hard into corners, unsure if the grip would hold.

There’s an artificiality to the M6, from its soft-then-hard brake pedal to the way the engine sounds more like interstellar gas eruptions than internal combustion. We know BMW plays engine sounds through the audio system’s speakers, and the M6 is the only car here in which the engine note gets quieter and more distant with the top down. Hmph!"

 

you still trolling in here?

 

M vs AMG is a world of difference from general BMW and MB. MB's being harsher now make it so AMG can make a very connected driving car, raw, etc. BMW making the most isolating and luxurious now makes it so M suffers the most but the regular models mostly benefit as they when equipped right still hold that dynamic sportive edge from their bloodline yet capture a newly found luxurious edge seemingly learned from and because of having to be shared with Rolls Royce.