2015 E400 vs. 2015 E350
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I can't speak for Washington D.C., but, in LA, the CLS is very common. The E550... not so much.
I assume MB just wanted to get rid of some of the V8 powered cars that are dragging down CAFE. Since the E550 didn't sell to begin w/, no big loss (from a corporate perspective).
I assume MB just wanted to get rid of some of the V8 powered cars that are dragging down CAFE. Since the E550 didn't sell to begin w/, no big loss (from a corporate perspective).
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I can't quite agree with that, in my neck of the DC burbs 211 and 212 E's are everywhere. CLS's, while there are many, are definitely not as common as E's.
As far as CLS's being better handling - are they not built on the E platform?
As far as CLS's being better handling - are they not built on the E platform?
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Yes as far as it comes to E classes but how many of them are E550s? Most E-classes in DC are E350 4matics.
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Ah - correct, E350's grow on trees here in Fairfax 4M or otherwise. E550's - pretty rare indeed. But the same was true of the 211 E's; the 500 was pretty rare.
So in that regard I'd say the CLS is probably about equal to the 550 population wise.
So in that regard I'd say the CLS is probably about equal to the 550 population wise.
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I'm too lazy to pull out the specs for both car models, but I presume the CLS is slightly bigger? Even if it's not, if they both get the fuel economy numbers and if the CLS's price premium is essentially all pure profit, then maybe it made sense to keep the CLS while getting rid of the E550 b/c any little bit counts? MB pays millions in CAFE fines, so why not cut all the fat you can (as long as it doesn't cut too heavily into profits?)?
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They might also want to upgrade the last of the freeloaders to the CLS instead of weaseling themselves out of the more expensive body.
The E-branded C class coupe can still be had as a 550.
The E-branded C class coupe can still be had as a 550.
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Take this with a grain of salt, but a MB dealer told me his biggest roadblock to selling 550s was the E63. He said most buyers who wanted a V8 tended to just splurge for the AMG, leaving the 550 caught in no-man's-land between more economical e350 buyers and the E63 enthusiasts.
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Take this with a grain of salt, but a MB dealer told me his biggest roadblock to selling 550s was the E63. He said most buyers who wanted a V8 tended to just splurge for the AMG, leaving the 550 caught in no-man's-land between more economical e350 buyers and the E63 enthusiasts.
I considered the 550 an e63 lite
And for how "gorgeous" the cls is felt to be, I never see them around Chicago burbs as much as s class and e class sedans
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Take this with a grain of salt, but a MB dealer told me his biggest roadblock to selling 550s was the E63. He said most buyers who wanted a V8 tended to just splurge for the AMG, leaving the 550 caught in no-man's-land between more economical e350 buyers and the E63 enthusiasts.
I think the W212 E550 enemy #1 was the F10 550i, especially around items like a stiffer body and the way that control over the transmission works. V8 buyers care.
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I find that hard to believe. Apart from the price gap there is also a low number of E63s. Maybe the C63 went after the E550.
I think the W212 E550 enemy #1 was the F10 550i, especially around items like a stiffer body and the way that control over the transmission works. V8 buyers care.
I think the W212 E550 enemy #1 was the F10 550i, especially around items like a stiffer body and the way that control over the transmission works. V8 buyers care.
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I was choosing between the CLS and 550 coupe. And both are beautiful cars. The coupe won by a small margin for me. Factors for me were pricing, and a couple of things on the design of the CLS that I just didn't like as much. It is a beautiful car when tastefully modded though (like below). The coupe just has a more sporty appearance, so I went with it. I wish there were an AMG for the E coupe.
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I didn't like the small size of the cabin.. I did feel more confident throwing it into turns and it felt more sporty with a louder exhaust note...
Well put ... very similar, but very different...
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I drove a '14 CLS550 for 1.5 months while my '14 E550 was getting all sort of beta testing for this transmission issue I had....
I didn't like the small size of the cabin.. I did feel more confident throwing it into turns and it felt more sporty with a louder exhaust note...
Well put ... very similar, but very different...
I didn't like the small size of the cabin.. I did feel more confident throwing it into turns and it felt more sporty with a louder exhaust note...
Well put ... very similar, but very different...
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The CLS handles better than the E, but it's far from a great or even good handling car, IMO, at least when accounting for steering and suspension feel (very clinical and cloudy to me). I don't really like the facelift E but I do think that the CLS is one of the most incohesive, flawed and awkward designs that M-B makes.
I tested a new C300 and thought it was underwhelming save for the interior, but relatively speaking and considering the V6 TT in the smaller package I do think that although being "just a C Class", right now, the C400 Sport is the best 4 door M-B pick, if you're not looking at S Classes. I even think the interior is nicer than the E Classes.
I tested a new C300 and thought it was underwhelming save for the interior, but relatively speaking and considering the V6 TT in the smaller package I do think that although being "just a C Class", right now, the C400 Sport is the best 4 door M-B pick, if you're not looking at S Classes. I even think the interior is nicer than the E Classes.
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Oh no! K-A is back with more of his stupidity.
It must make you sick to drive a car that cannot be distinguished from a 3 or 7 without measuring the length. So much for design originality from BMW. It explains why they will soon be number three behind Audi in NA.
It must make you sick to drive a car that cannot be distinguished from a 3 or 7 without measuring the length. So much for design originality from BMW. It explains why they will soon be number three behind Audi in NA.
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Sure, BMW sucks. Whatever. Not sure what that has to do with anything I said.
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It's a bit hard to distinguish the new benzes from each other these days