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Honestly, not worth the mod. A brake job on an AMG is $2500/axle.
Also, you are installing HUGE rotors with 6 piston calipers on a tiny brake master cylinder designed for brakes a fraction of that size. Also, the brake lines are stainless steel on the AMG's giving you even better brake feel. You will be overtaxing your master cylinder and won't be getting nowhere nearly enough brake clamping force as you should be.
Save yourself the money and do something different. If you are keen on having the brakes, get a Brembo setup designed for your car, you'll get much more performance.
Honestly, not worth the mod. A brake job on an AMG is $2500/axle.
Also, you are installing HUGE rotors with 6 piston calipers on a tiny brake master cylinder designed for brakes a fraction of that size. Also, the brake lines are stainless steel on the AMG's giving you even better brake feel. You will be overtaxing your master cylinder and won't be getting nowhere nearly enough brake clamping force as you should be.
Save yourself the money and do something different. If you are keen on having the brakes, get a Brembo setup designed for your car, you'll get much more performance.
Agree, one of the reasons i hesitated not getting AMG was super expensive brake job costs, our brakes are OK if you take vibrations part out
I actually did a e63 brake swap on my e350. found a set of calipers/pads/rotors at a junk yard for $2k. painted, replaced the pads and installed for about $800. that would beat any after market brembo brake package if you really found a good deal like you said.
i'm not a mechanic and I had my brakes installed about 3 years ago but from what i remembered, it was pretty much a direct swap. the only thing i recall is having to use a different bolt somewhere but that was about it. stancelab has a w212 with the same swap as well so i'm sure they can give you better info about the installation.
everyone else is right about burning money. unless you can get parts at wholesale price, the front amg rotors had a price of 1500 for the pair. luckily i do get it pretty cheap so i have no regrets. my fav mod so far
Did your brake pedal change at all. I just noticed that after this swap the brake pedal goes almost to the floor... if I pump the pedal a couple times then it builds pressure but prior to that the pedal just about goes to the floor before the brakes engage...
This doesn't seem right at all... Did you change the master cylinder at all? Could that be the problem?
I see in the MB catalog that it states the e63 has an Enhanced AMG master cylinder? Everything I've researched said that the master cylinder is the same throughout e350, 500, 63..etc.
i can't imagine the master cylinders are the same. There's got to be double the piston area on the amg calipers. if that's the case either you move the stock master cylinder twice as far or the master cylinder bore needs to be larger.
I had a case of piston over return. Due to completely taking apart the calipers/cleaning and redoing all seals/dust seals when installed back onto the car I had pressed the pistons in all the way. What I should have done was was Lilbenz230 posted in the above link which Glyn goes into detail in that thread on what needs to be done to resolve the problem. I did so and everything is now 100% right.
I checked the part numbers and the master cylinder is in fact the same. I called the dealer asking about it and to have the part number for it. Master cylinder is the same part number throughout the E class. Perhaps the brake booster is different but when researching that as well it turns up the same part number.
Which makes sense because MB uses they calipers on many models of cars and it seems like it's an upgrade people do including myself. Pretty much bolt on. I've yet to read any how to or DIY indicating a master cylinder needs changed/upgraded.
I had a case of piston over return. Due to completely taking apart the calipers/cleaning and redoing all seals/dust seals when installed back onto the car I had pressed the pistons in all the way. What I should have done was was Lilbenz230 posted in the above link which Glyn goes into detail in that thread on what needs to be done to resolve the problem. I did so and everything is now 100% right.
I checked the part numbers and the master cylinder is in fact the same. I called the dealer asking about it and to have the part number for it. Master cylinder is the same part number throughout the E class. Perhaps the brake booster is different but when researching that as well it turns up the same part number.
Which makes sense because MB uses they calipers on many models of cars and it seems like it's an upgrade people do including myself. Pretty much bolt on. I've yet to read any how to or DIY indicating a master cylinder needs changed/upgraded.
I would love to put e63 calipers on my e350 sport. Will this work? The reason behind my question is regarding my Sport package. The rotors are different from base E350 models. Not sure if the carrier is different for the calipers. Does anyone know if I can put e63 calipers on my 2008 e350 Sport?
I change the brakes on my 63 s converted to carbon ceramics. When I get my car back I'll be selling the components they have about five thousand miles on them.
The stock E350 rotors and brake sensors will not work. You are going from a 13" front / 12" rear to 14"/14" rotors with the AMG calipers. Of course the tiny stock rotors would not work.
I would love to put e63 calipers on my e350 sport. Will this work? The reason behind my question is regarding my Sport package. The rotors are different from base E350 models. Not sure if the carrier is different for the calipers. Does anyone know if I can put e63 calipers on my 2008 e350 Sport?
I change the brakes on my 63 s converted to carbon ceramics. When I get my car back I'll be selling the components they have about five thousand miles on them.
The stock E350 rotors and brake sensors will not work. You are going from a 13" front / 12" rear to 14"/14" rotors with the AMG calipers. Of course the tiny stock rotors would not work.
Regarding rotor diameter differences in reference to the caliper, this is a 15mm difference. Should work fine. As far as width, it is a 4mm difference in rotors.
Regarding rotor diameter differences in reference to the caliper, this is a 15mm difference. Should work fine. As far as width, it is a 4mm difference in rotors.
So are trying to use E63 calipers with stock E350 rotors?
Knuckles, master cylinder, brake booster are the same exact parts.
On rear rotors, you will have to adjust the e-brake shoes by 1/8".
Make sure you take a grinder the that AMG logo. You would want that on a non AMG car! Some troll will call the MB forum police and tell them you are trying to destroy the world!!
Make sure you take a grinder the that AMG logo. You would want that on a non AMG car! Some troll will call the MB forum police and tell them you are trying to destroy the world!!
The sport rotors are too small. You will need the bigger rotors. You can find after market, one piece, rotors really cheap brand new.
The E55 rear rotor will work with a C63 rear caliper.
I already refurbished the e55 rear calipers for install. So the stock rotor won't work? I have stock e350 rear rotor sized rotors, but bought a set that was drilled, slotted, and vented from Baer.
The e55 front caliper will bolt on to a e350 sport. You will have to do the following:
1. Enlarge the 12mm holes on the spindles to accommodate the new 14mm bolts that the e55 caliper takes. OR buy AMG spindles at $300+ a pop... much easier to just enlarge stock spindle holes.
2. You will need to cut the brake dust shield. Takes all of 5 minutes with a dremel.
3. Replace rotors with e55. The are only $140 a pop of FCPEuro's page.
DO NOT use your stock e350 sport rotors with e55 calipers, they are too small. I posted on the other thread as well.
Also the brake pad sensors on the e350 will work 100% with the e55 calipers. They bolt right on just like before. Zero issues.
EDIT:
Actually seeing that you put e63... My bad, In that case if you use the 6 piston calipers you WILL have to replace the rotors to two piece. They are expensive. One of the reasons I went with e55's was because the rotors are cheap. I saw zero need for two piece rotors or the associated costs with them on a heavy *** MB... if this was a track car or track bike sure. If it's not going to see track time, personally spending $1800 for front rotors only is silly to me considering you can do an e55 swap for that as an entire package.
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