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I am truely amazed with the number of email notifications pertaining to this thread, and outrageously shocked and dissapointed to see the amount of delinquent juveniles forming together to destroy a well-reputatable, nearly a generation old, car company. You use to own a home and still could barely afford to own a benz. Now, you pay rent and could even afford a few of them. What a joke. You don't get this from a bmw forum, Lol.
mate this thread started to become a joke when...
1. OP started this thread...
2. people like you were born and decided to chime in...
if you think were kids here and have nothing better to do, just stay on the dark side then. looks like they deserve you more than we do. if you know what i mean.
man we sure are gonna miss you around here...
EDIT: "You use to own a home and still could barely afford to own a benz. Now, you pay rent and could even afford a few of them."
HUH?! what does this statement have to do with this thread? can somebody please close the "bag of idiots"...theyre starting to roll out.
1. OP started this thread...
2. people like you were born and decided to chime in...
if you think were kids here and have nothing better to do, just stay on the dark side then. looks like they deserve you more than we do. if you know what i mean.
man we sure are gonna miss you around here...
EDIT: "You use to own a home and still could barely afford to own a benz. Now, you pay rent and could even afford a few of them."
HUH?! what does this statement have to do with this thread? can somebody please close the "bag of idiots"...theyre starting to roll out.
Wow.., all of a sudden I decide to log on just to see how far the merry go round has been built, and sure enough, the one I expected to see. Looks like you've been slammed quite a few times here, probably due to a lack of education, but you just can't help but to get the last word out of everything. But let me tell you, I'm usually pretty lenient to my wife because she is the female of the house, which I believe the solution here would be to spare you too due to similar circumstances. So go right ahead and make your schoolmates laugh and maybe I'll log on again in the future just to see you attempt to put me down, LOL!
Last edited by tonyE350; Oct 30, 2015 at 01:39 PM.
Wow.., all of a sudden I decide to log on just to see how far the merry go round has been built, and sure enough, the one I expected to see. Looks like you've been slammed quite a few times here, probably due to a lack of education, but you just can't help but to get the last word out of everything. But let me tell you, I'm usually pretty lenient to my wife because she is the female of the house, which I believe the solution here would be to spare you too due to similar circumstances. So go right ahead and make your schoolmates laugh and maybe I'll log on again in the future just to see you attempt to put me down, LOL!
just another old guy who thinks he knows everything and anybody younger than him is wrong. "oh im older than you, ive got more experience than you, i know how to fill up gas tank so im a mechanic" not to mention "i bought a car that doesnt know the features and when i found out something i didnt like i dont like my car anymore and i want to return it." what a moron.
Not intended to be a jab but instead a recommendation to drive both a beemer and a benz to get the best of both worlds. Thought it was easily comprehensible.
I did. Currently have the E350 and 2- 3 Series cars: Previously a 528i and a C230
In my observations - the Bimmer forums (bimmers are cars, Beemers are motorcycles) have more juvenile behavior than the Mercedes forums but they also have more 'hands on' owners that do their own work and do real world mods.
With the exception of the AMG guys and newer 550 tuning, the typical mod threads here are door pins and window tint. (trivial mods like in my signature) And the maintenance/repair/fix threads begin with "How do I get my dealer to....", such as this thread.
Both marques have pros and cons and are good at their intended purpose. Just seems to be differences in the forum posts.
I really hate that my car starts in Eco mode and I have to push a button to make it use first gear in sport mode. Same for my $100k+ S class. But this is because ALL manufacturers are required to meet carbon emissions standards and fuel milage standards mandated by our local govenrments. It is amazing to me that this fact has barely been touched on. MB has not been excused from this requirement because it is a luxury brand.
Also, please someone describe a "Perfect" car; has that been achieved by any manufacturer?
I noted in a previous post that we all know what the intent of Eco mode is and that every little bit of fuel saving helps. My gripe is that MB does not allow the mode selection to default to the selection made when the car is shut down. If it is shut down in Eco mode then it should start up the next time in Eco, so on and so forth for all the settings. The default should not automatically be Eco.
But this is because ALL manufacturers are required to meet carbon emissions standards and fuel milage standards mandated by our local govenrments. It is amazing to me that this fact has barely been touched on. MB has not been excused from this requirement because it is a luxury brand.
Also, please someone describe a "Perfect" car; has that been achieved by any manufacturer?
You are correct that all manufacturers must meet emissions and CAFE (US) standards. However, the issue is how they go about doing it and why. DAG/MB chose to force start/stop (ECO) on almost all vehicle owners so they can continue to manufacture and sell very powerful and very profitable cars that are very fuel inefficient.
VW tried a different route with their diesels-they flat out cheated.
As for a perfect car, there isn't one. However, I occasionally wonder why we can't get better, more reliable, more efficient cars after over 100 years of car manufacturing.
For all the madness around Eco, an mbworld member first introduced the midcity engineering Eco defeat to us and no one talks about that, surely this is easier than trading in your car or trying to get Benz to buyback your car for this (which isn't going to happen)
But the tesla is a great answer to much of your wonder... And they will only get more reliable
Consumer Reports which was totally infatuated with the Tesla has now removed it from their recommended list because of very low reliability.
Have read a lot about Tesla. Totally impractical car for 99% of America. Regardless of cost.
You are correct that all manufacturers must meet emissions and CAFE (US) standards. However, the issue is how they go about doing it and why. DAG/MB chose to force start/stop (ECO) on almost all vehicle owners so they can continue to manufacture and sell very powerful and very profitable cars that are very fuel inefficient.
VW tried a different route with their diesels-they flat out cheated.
As for a perfect car, there isn't one. However, I occasionally wonder why we can't get better, more reliable, more efficient cars after over 100 years of car manufacturing.
Actually what I was referring to was Eco vs. Sport mode. Not the start/stop function. This feature is not on either of my cars. I was not clear on this point.
Never-the-less, I don't like that I have to switch to sport mode every time I start the car, but I have gotten over it and used to it. However, I understand why it is designed this way. It reduces the carbon footprint and improves the milage for government rating purposes. At least I can switch it off if I want to. I had an Audi A6 in 2000 that also started in 2nd gear. The only way to change this was to use the tiptronic transmission mode. That really sucked as I almost never feel the need to manually shift an automatic transmission. The car was already a pig and starting in second gear did not help it any. But it did improve the gas milage.
As for efficiency, if I used the example of the same two cars. My S550 gets about the same average milage as the 2.8 liter V6 in the Audi. Except that the 550 weighs more, and has 200 more HP than the Audi had. It is also no pig. Efficiency is constaly improving. Even with these big, expensive, heavy, high HP cars.
Fuel economy in cars have come a long way. It is not uncommon to see a 300HP cars now a days that gets 30 MPG or better. 25 years ago, a 300HP car probably get about 10 MPG. Unfortunately, I think the auto industry is approaching a point of diminishing return as far as fuel efficiency engineering is concerned. What is the alternative to the auto start stop? Is it to save weight by using less sound insulations or to use thinner gauge sheet metal? Is it to eliminate some standard features and options? Is it to stop making such powerful engines? Is it to stop making Mercedes such a solid car? I don't think any of you will stand for any of that. The auto start stop seems pale in comparison when we consider the alternatives.
Fuel economy in cars have come a long way. It is not uncommon to see a 300HP cars now a days that gets 30 MPG or better. 25 years ago, a 300HP car probably get about 10 MPG. Unfortunately, I think the auto industry is approaching a point of diminishing return as far as fuel efficiency engineering is concerned. What is the alternative to the auto start stop? Is it to save weight by using less sound insulations or to use thinner gauge sheet metal? Is it to eliminate some standard features and options? Is it to stop making such powerful engines? Is it to stop making Mercedes such a solid car? I don't think any of you will stand for any of that. The auto start stop seems pale in comparison when we consider the alternatives.
its really funny how this turned up...the whiners who complain about the issue became the "grownups" and the people who tells them to deal with it became the "kids".
unsubscribed from this for a while now but its just keeps creepin up the threads post. amazing.
EDIT: ^^ couldnt agree more with what G man said...
Yes, definitely kids, emotional kids I should say. LOL!
i dont have anything against newbies, i was once a newbie myself.
but for this guy with a total of 7 post not to mention mostly on this stupid thread and im pretty sure hasnt contributed to this site in any way.......you sure have a lot of nerve to write that.
maybe just stick to the bimmer forums...thats where "grownups" like you belong.
i dont have anything against newbies, i was once a newbie myself.
but for this guy with a total of 7 post not to mention mostly on this stupid thread and im pretty sure hasnt contributed to this site in any way.......you sure have a lot of nerve to write that.
maybe just stick to the bimmer forums...thats where "grownups" like you belong.
I agree he's obviously here just to troll and start trouble without contributing anything to the forum of note.
For all the madness around Eco, an mbworld member first introduced the midcity engineering Eco defeat to us and no one talks about that, surely this is easier than trading in your car or trying to get Benz to buyback your car for this (which isn't going to happen)
The funny thing is the OP posted comments in the thread about the MidCity defeat BEFORE he ever posted his diatribe here. He knew what the solution was before he started this mess; perhaps before he even bought the car.
The funny thing is the OP posted comments in the thread about the MidCity defeat BEFORE he ever posted his diatribe here. He knew what the solution was before he started this mess; perhaps before he even bought the car.
Looks like the OP must have thought installing this couldn't be done by someone who is more than just a backyard mechanic.
i dont have anything against newbies, i was once a newbie myself.
but for this guy with a total of 7 post not to mention mostly on this stupid thread and im pretty sure hasnt contributed to this site in any way.......you sure have a lot of nerve to write that.
maybe just stick to the bimmer forums...thats where "grownups" like you belong.
You sound a newbie for even talking this way. Dude, you totally remind me of my x who constantly nags and nags, forcing me to agree with her and her rediculous reasonings. Why don't you go back to doing things that are important in life. I mean, afterall, you got all these benz u want people to know that you drive so obviously, you want to depict yourself as having money, right? So quit sharing your feelings man, and do something more productive.
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