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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 01:49 PM
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2011 E550 4matic with 70,000 miles with ELW coverage. I have been experiencing a clunking noise from the back for a few weeks. Just at low speeds over speed bumps. Not every bump or every slow speed situation. No error codes or warnings. Took it it the dealer and short ride with the service manager confirmed the noise. They just called and said a bad rear shock. Having to be replaced in pairs brought the repair bill to $1,700. The shocks and struts are listed in the few exceptions for the ELW. I do have a very good local indy that I discussed the job with. He has replaced rear shocks in a 211 but, not a 212. Which leads to my question....Has anyone replaced the rear shocks on their 212 w/ airmatic? From looking around the internet the job seems very straight forward on a 211, something well within my skill set. But I can't seem to find anything for the 212 model. Any tips tricks or advise is welcomed.

Thanks in advance for the help.
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 02:00 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 04:04 PM
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I've seen tutorials of how to do the whole set on Youtube I believe. @Konig probably already gave you the relevant info. If my memory serves me correct there are instructions of how to do it around here somewhere also.
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 05:00 PM
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OP, which ELW are you dealing with? Is it a Mercedes ELW or a third party one?

Are you seeing the rear end drop on the car when it sits overnight? That is usually the telltale sign that the system is going. I ask because I had an issue with a clunking sound from speed bumps at low speeds. However, the remedy was to update the SDS system setting for airmatic. There is a service bulletin about that (but you may have gotten that from konigstiger already).

Here is a thread on DIY airmatic rear springs. There are more out there.
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...r-springs.html
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 05:50 PM
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Is there not shocks in the rear in addition to the air spring, Fisch? My W211 Airmatic was Set up that way. I thought the W212 was also.
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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My bad - I was thinking air spring and not shock absorber. No I haven't seen a DIY on that yet.
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 07:32 PM
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I replaced both of those rear shocks on my E500 due to failure and rattling noise. Never replaced an rear air spring or front spring/strut.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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OP, which ELW are you dealing with? Is it a Mercedes ELW or a third party one?

Are you seeing the rear end drop on the car when it sits overnight? That is usually the telltale sign that the system is going. I ask because I had an issue with a clunking sound from speed bumps at low speeds. However, the remedy was to update the SDS system setting for airmatic. There is a service bulletin about that (but you may have gotten that from konigstiger already).

Here is a thread on DIY airmatic rear springs. There are more out there.
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...r-springs.html
Sorry. I should have been more clear. I have the Mercedes ELW. Another thing I learned is that if it is NOT a warranty issue the dealer charges for the diagnosis.

I do not see the rear drop overnight. Just the clunking.

I'll have to investigate the SDS system update but, the dealer said nothing about it.

The recent DIY airspring write up is exceptional. However my issue is the shocks.

Thanks,

I'll keep everyone posted.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 07:32 AM
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Received the instructions for replacing the shocks(THANKS Konig!!). Seems very straight forward. (fingers crossed so not to jinx myself) Looks like I'm going to order some parts and give it a go.

Stay tuned....
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Sorry. I should have been more clear. I have the Mercedes ELW. Another thing I learned is that if it is NOT a warranty issue the dealer charges for the diagnosis.
They must have changed the terms when I looked into it a few years ago. Below is a copy of what I got back in 2014 when I was looking into the MB ELW. It didn't use to exclude shocks and struts. I am sure you verified the fine print on that though.

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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 10:32 AM
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I'll have to investigate the SDS system update but, the dealer said nothing about it.
Well, I found the bulletin I was recalling but it for the front end not the rear.
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LI32.22-P-052062 – 212 thumping from area of the front axle when driving over speed humps when the suspension strut rebounds, the rebound buffer spring causes a metallic knocking noise. Dealer should flash Airmatic control unit.
How did they identify the rear shocks were bad? Did they find fluid leaking from them?
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 12:46 PM
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airsprings are not too difficult to replace , atleast front ones are not too bad , dont even take too much time if you got the right tools , i wouldnt think that the rear ones will be any harder to replace. adn they are like 250-300 new which is also cheaper then fronts.
wish u luck , just make sure you got the tools and youll be good if you have a common sense.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:16 PM
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Arimatic...

Yes, the dealer wrote that the shocks were found to be "leaking"

In my Mercedes ELW fine print shocks and struts are named in the "other" category.

The best online price I found was $445.00 with over $100 in shipping?!?!?

If anyone knows a alternative in the $250-$300 range I'm all ears.

Dealer is at $540.00 Per side.

Right now I'm leaning toward buying to shocks at the dealer, not the cheapest but, parts are guaranteed and if I run into an issue I have someone local to help.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:29 PM
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Yeah, looks like $445 is about it for a good price.
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Yes, the dealer wrote that the shocks were found to be "leaking"

In my Mercedes ELW fine print shocks and struts are named in the "other" category.

The best online price I found was $445.00 with over $100 in shipping?!?!?

If anyone knows a alternative in the $250-$300 range I'm all ears.

Dealer is at $540.00 Per side.

Right now I'm leaning toward buying to shocks at the dealer, not the cheapest but, parts are guaranteed and if I run into an issue I have someone local to help.



http://r.ebay.com/jlNtMa

ebay is the place , i bought a used one for 200 half a year ago , but it was a wrong one.
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^ Yo, this conversation is about shocks, not air springs. He needs rear shocks.
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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 01:43 AM
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^ Yo, this conversation is about shocks, not air springs. He needs rear shocks.
Olay yo yo yo , sorry
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where did you get them for $440?
I found a place for 480 each - free shipping...
Maybe I can get them to match and get free shipping?
I might need one too...(but will prob just do both because...)


Note the 4matic uses a different shock than the RWD...(my car is only RWD)...
So guess that wont help too much?
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where did you get them for $440?
I found a place for 480 each - free shipping...
Maybe I can get them to match and get free shipping?
I might need one too...(but will prob just do both because...)


Note the 4matic uses a different shock than the RWD...(my car is only RWD)...
So guess that wont help too much?

Parts.com has them for $445 but, that is for the 4matic. I sent Parts.com an email and inquired about their shipping cost and never heard back. Needless to say I did not place the order.
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 07:31 AM
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Good morning everyone,

Update:

The job is done. Replaced the shocks yesterday in my driveway with no issues at all. I purchased the shocks from my local dealer. Their price was $60 more per shock than the online price however, I knew that if I ran into an issue I would not hesitate to ask them for help. As it turned out the job was very easy and straight forward so, 20/20 hind sight if I had quick and clear communication with an online parts store I would just order them online.

The job was easier than a brake job. The only struggle was wrestling with a couple of those plastic grommets and the dust that fell in my face from the fender liner. Maybe that is why there is no how to videos online. It was really that simple.

When I removed the old shocks I tried to diagnose what was making the noise. When I compressed the shock all the way the dust boot would squeak and sound just like the noise I was hearing. Comparing it to the new shock the old was easier to compress and slower to rebound, clearly toast. One side was worse than the other however, not by much.

After a few errands and a good test drive, there is a significant ride improvement. The clunking noise is gone.

Thanks for the help everyone!
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Thank for the update, gives me confident knowing it isn't that hard.
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Awesome I might be doing this shortly too...if you have any other tips other than watch for falling dirt lol...(I have 145K on my car - doubt I'll know if they have been replaced before.
I'm trying to decide - do I just pop the extra $400 and do the airbags at the same time?
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Awesome I might be doing this shortly too...if you have any other tips other than watch for falling dirt lol...(I have 145K on my car - doubt I'll know if they have been replaced before.
I'm trying to decide - do I just pop the extra $400 and do the airbags at the same time?
hows the car with 145k miles running? major issues? please share
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Maybe that is why there is no how to videos online. It was really that simple.
Wait, you didn't make a video! The cycle continues...
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