Big Purchase in a few,please help! GS 350 Lexus vs ES350 MB
I'm not sure whether the MB has Parktronic but, I see some marking on the cruise control knob, which suggests it has Adaptive Cruise Control(Distronic Plus).
@OP, even though you triggered most of us, congratulations on your new car and you're always welcome here when the Lexus gives up on you, even if it doesn't

Lexus is car of choice for new buyers of luxury cars, they have a lower maintenance cost and new luxury car buyers are more easily influence by the over the top Lexus dealership experience. What most unexperience buyer do not know is that the difference is not what you can see, it is what you cannot see. An good example is that Japanese luxury cars use mostly recycle metal for their cars where as Mercedes use mostly virgin steel. Where a Japanese luxury car might use stamped steel for its suspension parts, German luxury cars will use a cast metal part, the list goes on and on. On the Lexus, you will read how much more reliable Lexus is compare to its German counterparts, but the truth is that the gap is closing everyday, as of now, its pretty damn close.




I don't think the MB had Parktronic or Distronic (if you look at the star in the grille, you can see it is 3D and not flat). But hope the OP is happy with her purchase, for now. In 3 years, she'll realize how dated the Lexus looks, and she'll be looking to buy a timeless Mercedes. :-)
I concur; my '98 W202 had almost 200k miles on when I sold it, and it was still kicking as strong as ever.
I work in consulting engineering, my experience is that Japanese companies in general (and Toyota especially) are process driven so there is a high level of focus on refinement and improvement. Lexus reliability comes from manufacturing millions of vehicles and recycling parts throughout its lines, gradually quashing the bugs by the time they make it into their top models. The cars thus tend to be very conservative and date quickly (bland) but are extremely dependable (boring). (GS/IS are probably the least reliable and most exciting normal Lexus for a reason.)
The Germans tend to focus their engineering more on design and innovation, which immediately go to their top end models. The typical result is something that looks, performs, and handles better. The flipside is that the bugs are controlled only at the end of a model generation, so the consumer has to more often than not literally pay the price. (Embarrassing what stuff breaks/leaks on what is the most reliable Euro marque).
Since about 2009, the gaps are closing on both ends (especially since both are relying on NA supply chain for better or worse). Still though the engineering philosophies are inescapable, the Lexus will generally be more reliable than a MB, will cost significantly less to maintain on a budget, and will get you from A-B with more amenities at base with a better price point and depreciation. The Mercedes is superior in handling, performance, and safety as long as it is well equipped and you are willing to pay the TCO, also it consistently looks better.
Aside from that is the dealer experience. Frankly IMHO not any of the MB dealers in the Northeast or Midwest can hold a candle to a Lexus dealer. (I have been to quite a few and all the MB dealers I feel sooner or later leave you more often than not a little disgusted.)
Full disclosure. My family still owns our 98 Lexus ES300 now at 320K. Leather quality is better even than on my 16 E350. No rust, no leaks, always starts, and impressive base options, average $100 on maintenance a year. You can forget about an E/C of that era or even today being anywhere close to that on quality. That being said all our newer cars are MB.
Last edited by bluegene; Jun 16, 2017 at 11:45 PM.
But thank you so much for all your tips, I truly appreciate it 😃
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
I work in consulting engineering, my experience is that Japanese companies in general (and Toyota especially) are process driven so there is a high level of focus on refinement and improvement. Lexus jreliability comes from manufacturing millions of the vehicles and recycling parts throughout its lines, gradually quashing the bugs by the time they make it into their top models. The cars thus tend to be very conservative and date quickly (bland) but are extremely dependable (boring). (GS/IS are probably the least reliable and most exciting normal Lexus for a reason.)
The Germans tend to focus their engineering more on design and innovation, which immediately go to their top end models. The typical result is something that looks, performs, and handles better. The flipside is that the bugs are controlled only at the end of a model generation, so the consumer has to more often than not literally pay the price. (Embarrassing what stuff breaks/leaks on what is the most reliable Euro marque).
Since about 2009, the gaps are closing on both ends (especially since both are relying on NA supply chain for better or worse). Still though the engineering philosophies are inescapable, the Lexus will generally be more reliable than a MB, will cost significantly less to maintain on a budget, and will get you from A-B with more amenities at base with a better price point and depreciation. The Mercedes is superior in handling, performance, and safety as long as it is well equipped and you are willing to pay the TCO, also it consistently looks better.
Aside from that is the dealer experience. Frankly IMHO not any of the MB dealers in the Northeast or Midwest can hold a candle to a Lexus dealer. (I have been to quite a few and all the MB dealers I feel sooner or later leave you more often than not a little disgusted.)
Full disclosure. My family still owns our 98 Lexus ES300 now at 320K. Leather quality is better even than on my 16 E350. No rust, no leaks, always starts, and impressive base options, average $100 on maintenance a year. You can forget about an E/C of that era or even today being anywhere close to that on quality. That being said all our newer cars are MB.
I'm not sure whether the MB has Parktronic but, I see some marking on the cruise control knob, which suggests it has Adaptive Cruise Control(Distronic Plus).
@OP, even though you triggered most of us, congratulations on your new car and you're always welcome here when the Lexus gives up on you, even if it doesn't


Lexus dealer in NH was so so, yes Toyota loaners... MB in NH was just awful.
MB in Sarasota FL has been excellent so far, been there with both cars, always got a MB loaner... E class...
True measure was when the detailer's damaged a rim on the 2015 E550 Cab, it was 3 month's old... I noticed it but didn't say anything because i wasn't sure where it happened, next time i took pics and had a service guy look before it went over... sure enough more damage...
There where not thrilled but had agreed it happened there and both rims where repaired... they also replaced the rub rails on the car wash...
Since then we have had maintenance done and a few things taken care of on the ML and everyone is friendly and respectful...
but you are right not all the dealers are the same....
Let us know what ya decide Carla

Mike
Carla......enjoy !



