P0172/P0175 AFTER Spark Plug Change
Changed per instructions, old ones out, even got to try ut my fancy new Torque Wrench and torqued to the 16FT lb. value as per the Y/T Video. Coil packs removed and replaced and the silicone Die Electric grease on the head of the plug before re installing coil pack. I did drop one of the coil pack torx retaining screws down the side of the Engine....Outside and to the great abyss known as the driveway and into the street but DEFINTELY not INSIDE the engine or coil. Engine runs fine, checked the coil pack connectors and nothing amiss there.
I am getting a P0172 and P0175. System RICH....Bank 1 and 2 Rich generally means too much fuel but no major noticeable change in fuel economy as in lower or higher. Idles fine and no apparent even slight misfire.
MIL/CEL comes on approximately every 60-100 miles. Clears simply enough and code is consistent each time. I checked the seal of the coil pack connectors and the rear seal of the throttle body to engine cover plate.
Any Ideas? Filled tank and put approximately 35 miles since fill up.
I have read on other models that a 100 mile drive usually gets a full system reset of all major system monitors/sensors. Is that a 100 mile constant drive as in 100 non stop?
Those codes can mean that the MAF sensor is reporting too much air entering the engine. Short term fuel goes rich to compensate. That doesn't correct the problem, so then long term fuel trim strategy goes rich over range , triggering the CEL.
The MAF is located right on top of the TB - that air cleaner rubber sealing ring MUST be secured and seated snugly around the TB opening (actually the MAF sensor ring). Go back and pull the air cleaner and be 100% sure it's seated correctly and rear clip is engaged. I add a small amount of silicone lube to the rubber seal to allow it to easily slide over the MAF ring.
I'm not sure of actual miles, but what you're referring to is drive cycle which usually completes system readiness monitors settings. Essentially related to emission component system. Not related to spark plug change, should normally be good to go immediately, no codes or system resets.
EDIT - also check the air pump hose connection at the front of the air cleaner assembly. If it's left off, then that unmetered air could cause the codes as well.
If you are able to read real-time run data, you can post STFT, LTFT, MAF/MAP and O2 readings. Those are wide-band O2 monitors, so ideal voltage readings should center around 2 to 2.5v if I remember right. Narrow band sensors switch constantly between 0 and 1v.
But essentially I look at what you may have directly impacted on your work - plugs, coil connectors, air cleaner hose and TB connections.
Last edited by Mud; Mar 29, 2019 at 11:43 AM.
Same two codes, P0172/0175......again codes are consistent. I cleared codes at 99467. With the now established AIR pump hose disconnected I might now have a starting point if the M.I.L. comes back and hopefully a fairly simple starting point.
Additional note: The MIL Did come on during the driving cycle as opposed to coming on during the next start cycle and staying on. The normal self check during start cycle except it remained illuminated after start. I will do a follow up post in a few days.....SOONER if it comes on again.
What I meant by the 100 miles was some of the earlier W class forums mentioned that the MIL should clear and reset all the emissions sensors after approximately 100 miles. My question was whether it was 100 Consecutive as in NON STOP or 100 cumulative. I have done the 100 miles cumulative and pretty much all driving conditions, cold start, stop and go, Interstate etc...
Lets hope it is as simple as the AIR PUMP Hose and possible TB/rear intake cover seal and this is hopefully the end of it.. I guess we should find out in a few days. I will take to work tonight, and home that should be good for about 30 miles each way. I am keeping the OBD2 scanner onboard for a few days as a precaution.
I'm willing to bet that the problem is caused by the dielectric grease on the spark plug. Dielectric grease is an insulator. That is, it inhibits the transmission of electricity. You can use a bit on the inside of a rubber boot to prevent the boot from sticking to the plug and to stop stuff like water from entering.
Pull the coil packs off and use something like CRC QD Electric cleaner to clean the inside of them and flush that grease out. Pull the plugs off and wipe them clean. If you really want to use some dielectric grease, wipe a small dab around the porcelain portion. Personally I'd say just install everything dry. I use a bit of copper antiseize on the threads, but that's it.
Good luck!
But just continuing the dialogue, now it's up to OP to fix!
Last edited by Mud; Mar 29, 2019 at 06:58 PM.
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Thanks for all the input and areas to check for.







