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Old Feb 21, 2024 | 05:45 PM
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Yes but if we are talking about M278s, there are barely any E550 coupes with the cast iron liners. Probably barely any S550s. And really maybe mostly later X166 GLS550s. It's a small sample set.
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Old Feb 29, 2024 | 01:03 AM
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Yes but if we are talking about M278s, there are barely any E550 coupes with the cast iron liners. Probably barely any S550s. And really maybe mostly later X166 GLS550s. It's a small sample set.
I would say most 2016 GL550 fall after the engine number listed at the top of the thread, which also means all 2017-2019 GLS550 would also..
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Old Feb 29, 2024 | 05:10 AM
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Yes and those are not that old with not a lot of miles on many cases. When our 12-14 M157s were that age we thought the M157 had no issues at all.
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Old Feb 29, 2024 | 08:33 AM
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Very true.... though I have heard of M157s with the issue in the 30k mile range, but only a few.
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Old Feb 29, 2024 | 09:13 AM
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I have a 2013 E550 coupe (M278), engine went bad at 45k miles in 2019. Mercedes replaced block and right head ($3k under Goodwill Assistance with 3yr/36k warranty), I took it. I am thinking the old block was silitec and hoping new block is nanoslide. New block currently at 50k miles. Any part # to ref on old vs new block?
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Old Mar 1, 2024 | 06:07 PM
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I have a 2013 E550 coupe (M278), engine went bad at 45k miles in 2019. Mercedes replaced block and right head ($3k under Goodwill Assistance with 3yr/36k warranty), I took it. I am thinking the old block was silitec and hoping new block is nanoslide. New block currently at 50k miles. Any part # to ref on old vs new block?
Define "went bad"
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Old Mar 1, 2024 | 09:01 PM
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Define "went bad"
Right bank started smoking out exhaust under load off the line, Indy stated washed cylinder from injector stuck open, dealership stated scored cylinder.
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Old Mar 1, 2024 | 10:24 PM
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Thanks for the reply.
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Old Mar 1, 2024 | 10:26 PM
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Which brings up a point is the issue the cylinder wall material or the fuel injection system?
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 09:20 AM
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An injector carboning up (reduced flow) is also noted to cause increased cylinder/piston temps, which can also score the cylinder. So yeah, the fuel system seems culpable here.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 10:58 AM
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Wondering why an injector would carbon up since it is continuously washing the tip with fuel. I'm not saying it doesn't since all the fuel additive companies say their stuff "cleans fuel injectors", just wondering why it does. If you are experiencing increased temps because of obstructed injectors, it's because you are running lean.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 11:54 AM
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It's something I've read on here. Haven't seen it personally.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 01:06 PM
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I wish the injectors were designed to fail close upon full open position vs pulsating. I would think this would protect the cylinder from being washed.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 01:33 PM
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All non-iron liners are junk and subject to scoring. Doesn’t matter if the coating is unobtanium or gutta perca.

Iron liners are best practice. Still can be found in some engines, for example the VAG EA839 2.9/3.0 V6.
Cylinder scoring in the M156 is pretty much unheard of, same with the M276 TT which uses Nanoslide as well.

Nanoslide is by far the best lining available.
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Old Mar 11, 2024 | 03:36 PM
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I have a s550 and the engine code is 278929 30 282755. I wanted to know is this still a siltec produced m278? It’s a 2016 s550 coupe vin WDDXJ8FB6GA012621. Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by anderson123
I have a s550 and the engine code is 278929 30 282755. I wanted to know is this still a siltec produced m278? It’s a 2016 s550 coupe vin WDDXJ8FB6GA012621. Thanks in advance!
Here id you datacard, latest engine revisión AFAIK
number higher than 30 266xxxx
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Old Mar 19, 2024 | 09:31 PM
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Here id you datacard, latest engine revisión AFAIK
number higher than 30 266xxxx
Not to hijack a thread, but for the 6cyl M276 engine, I'm trying to figure out when they switched back to cast iron.
Is there an engine code cutoff number for that engine that anyone knows?
In using that decoder, here is the engine code of a GL I am looking at, curious if it has cast iron liners: Engine 642826 41 765960
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Originally Posted by Tynee
Not to hijack a thread, but for the 6cyl M276 engine, I'm trying to figure out when they switched back to cast iron.
Is there an engine code cutoff number for that engine that anyone knows?
In using that decoder, here is the engine code of a GL I am looking at, curious if it has cast iron liners: Engine 642826 41 765960
It is my understanding that M276 has always been cast iron liners. I think even the 3.0L TT uses the same block design.
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Old Mar 21, 2024 | 03:53 PM
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From what this says the M276 started out with cast iron liners and transitioned to a nanoslide coated aluminum block.

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=173

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Originally Posted by MBNUT1
From what this says the M276 started out with cast iron liners and transitioned to a nanoslide coated aluminum block.

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=173
I guess there is conflicting information out there, below from March 2022:

https://automotivetechinfo.com/wp-co...and-Tricks.pdf
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Old Mar 21, 2024 | 07:44 PM
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Nanoslide might have been introduced with turbocharged M276 (M276.8).


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Old May 24, 2024 | 02:22 AM
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It's fascinating to consider the technology introduced to assemble an aluminum block with cast iron barrels, as those are very different materials and high tech we can see with Silitec and Nanoslide. Could it be as simple as a sleeve? and if so the renewal should be very simple. Has anyone come across some details?
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Old May 31, 2024 | 02:07 PM
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I missed the iron by a few months... Something to keep in mind if I buy another one.

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Iron liners can score, because it has happened since day 1 of the internal combustion engine. The question is, are later M278s (or even M157s) somehow, fundamentally, better and longer lasting? Do we really have data on this? We know early timing chain systems are problematic, sure. But that's only the start of the potential list of issues.
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Originally Posted by kevm14
Iron liners can score, because it has happened since day 1 of the internal combustion engine. The question is, are later M278s (or even M157s) somehow, fundamentally, better and longer lasting? Do we really have data on this? We know early timing chain systems are problematic, sure. But that's only the start of the potential list of issues.
This guy has gotten 330K miles out of his M278 with cast iron liners.
https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...ing-boost.html
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