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Old 05-24-2016, 03:29 PM
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And W213 E300 will be quicker off the line than current W212 DI V6 in E350 (forget about it in pre 2012 W212 and W211 E350s). Maybe even as quick if not quicker than (2003-06) W211 E500 V8.
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My issue with the new E lineup in the U.S. is that there is no E400 to tuck in between the E300 and E43. The E43 and E300 seems like two extremes while the E400 would be perfect for those who don't want a 4-cylinder or the ***** out E43. A 335hp E400 would be perfect imo, priced under today's E400.

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And W213 E300 will be quicker off the line than current W212 DI V6 in E350 (forget about it in pre 2012 W212 and W211 E350s). Maybe even as quick if not quicker than (2003-06) W211 E500 V8.
The E250 241HP 4-cyl car will be faster than the E350 6-cyl 300HP car? Care to share numbers? Because I don't believe you.
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This. I've driven a current C300, it has a fine engine, just not for me. Yes, I realize the competition also uses 4cyl turbos, however the E400 would be my ideal model.



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My issue with the new E lineup in the U.S. is that there is no E400 to tuck in between the E300 and E43. The E43 and E300 seems like two extremes while the E400 would be perfect for those who don't want a 4-cylinder or the ***** out E43. A 335hp E400 would be perfect imo, priced under today's E400.

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Why is it is so unbelievable? Every other car in the class comes with a base 4-cylinder now. GS, A6, 5-Series, XF, CTS, the E was the only one that didn't.

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That's what made the E special and unique. To me anyway.
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The engines from the 1970s were very inefficient and weak by todays standards. I remember when I first heard of a four banger that was able to pump out 300hp. I agree that it seems strange to have a 5 or E series with a four banger, but then again, modern transmissions and engines are amazing and I'll take that over outdated technology. My first time driving a C250, I was disgusted (as a MB fan). Then another salesman at another dealership asked me to try it again. he put it in sport mode and turned off traction control (power at wheels in turns). Since then, and to this day, I am very impressed what 1.8L can do with a near 4,000lb car. I also got luck with the sport model of 2013 having a very firm ride. I think the 2011s were softer.

Embrace progress. There's always the classics if you don't want to. I appreciate the technology MB, BMW, and some others put out there for us. Being a Toyota is much more profitable, with very outdated technology and low performance engines/trannys.
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The E250 241HP 4-cyl car will be faster than the E350 6-cyl 300HP car? Care to share numbers? Because I don't believe you.
Always do your own DD (I did not say "faster", but "quicker of the line"), but for the uninformed:

1. Based on the upcoming E43's 0-60 4.5 sec numbers, its a full 1/2 sec quicker than 2014 E550 (remember E550 has both HP and torque advantage). Why? W213 will be lighter and its one of the reasons.

2. Look at the current C300 and even GLC300 0-60 numbers vs. E350 0-60 numbers. Which one is quicker? Why? The weight again is one of the reasons.

Its not the HP that moves you off the line as much as the torque per lb. The 4cyl in W213 E300 has identical torque to V6 in W212 E350, but will have lighter weight among its advantages. Capisce?
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Ok.. so I asked for citations, and you gave me assumptions, with a nice helping of attitude as well.

There is no way a 2014 TT E550 4matic is a 5 second car. Since you're too lazy to do your own DD, here you go:

http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle...-60-mph-times/ - 4.3-4.6
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review - 4.5
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review 4.3

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review - 212 E350 4matic 5.8 60 4150 lbs (100+ lbs heavier than GLC300)
http://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/glc-class - GLC300 4matic 5.9 60 , .3 seconds slower in a rolling start

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-...-drive-review/ - W213 E300 0-60 6.2 ; 4100lbs

It'll be fun to watch 2012 + E550s line up and wipe the floor with the E43 "amg". There will be no victories at the stoplight for an E300 either. I don't even have a dog in this fight, I drive a 211 diesel (with 130 ft/lbs more torque than the E300 stock, before I chipped it). In fact, I bet I would wipe the floor with an E300.

So thank you for your valuable input. Clearly you've become an expert with your three.. no four MBs. Since I took 5 minutes to do some "DD" for you, how about you attempt to back up your ramblings next time, Capisce?
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Originally Posted by DubVBenz View Post
Ok.. so I asked for citations, and you gave me assumptions, with a nice helping of attitude as well.

There is no way a 2014 TT E550 4matic is a 5 second car. Since you're too lazy to do your own DD, here you go:

http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle...-60-mph-times/ - 4.3-4.6
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review - 4.5
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review 4.3

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review - 212 E350 4matic 5.8 60 4150 lbs (100+ lbs heavier than GLC300)
http://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/glc-class - GLC300 4matic 5.9 60 , .3 seconds slower in a rolling start

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-...-drive-review/ - W213 E300 0-60 6.2 ; 4100lbs

It'll be fun to watch 2012 + E550s line up and wipe the floor with the E43 "amg". There will be no victories at the stoplight for an E300 either. I don't even have a dog in this fight, I drive a 211 diesel (with 130 ft/lbs more torque than the E300 stock, before I chipped it). In fact, I bet I would wipe the floor with an E300.

So thank you for your valuable input. Clearly you've become an expert with your three.. no four MBs. Since I took 5 minutes to do some "DD" for you, how about you attempt to back up your ramblings next time, Capisce?

The only problem with all these facts is that there are none presented for the E43 because we don't know how that car will test yet. Wipe the floor? I think not, that is utter nonsense. The E550 will surely fall flat on its face at the first corner compared to the E43 and it is saddled with an outdated 7-speed transmission too. So yeah if the E550 is like .2 of a sec quicker to 60mph great, but wiping the floor with the E43 is just pure bull****. If all it takes is a few tenths to 60 to qualify as wiping the floor (while the rest of the E550 doesn't touch the new E) then so be it. It just seems pretty juvenile/tacky for a Benz owners.

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0-60 isn't how most E class owners drive. That said, the E300 will not have the OVERALL power range of a V6, let alone a V8. The E400 is/would be a perfect middle option for US buyers.
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0-60 isn't how most E class owners drive. That said, the E300 will not have the OVERALL power range of a V6, let alone a V8. The E400 is/would be a perfect middle option for US buyers.
I believe the E400 will make it to the US. If not, they will lose a significant portion of their sales.
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The w213 E400 4M is available in Canada for factory orders. Early deliveries are expected in Sept. I would be surprised that the same availability is not offered in the US. Pricing is also out. 69K CAN for well equipped base. 79K loaded including driver pilot. The E550 is finally gone. The 16 model was the end. I am waiting to see the car before ordering.

Call your dealer, I am sure the same cars are available there. MB is not stupid. You can't go from a 4cyl to AMG with nothing in between.
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Yeah like you can feel 6hp and this E43 will handle worlds better because unlike the E550, this is actually a sport sedan. It has a much better transmission and has been prepped by AMG. I would bet that it will be faster than the E550 ever was and we know for a fact it will be a much sportier drive. This about it has less power is just utter nonsense IMO, it's 6hp and the gearing will make up for the torque. You guys are writing car off without even looking at the facts.

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I'd love to find out. I drive a w211 m273 kinda stock and can't wait to smoke it on the highway.
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The w213 E400 4M is available in Canada for factory orders. Early deliveries are expected in Sept. I would be surprised that the same availability is not offered in the US. Pricing is also out. 69K CAN for well equipped base. 79K loaded including driver pilot. The E550 is finally gone. The 16 model was the end. I am waiting to see the car before ordering.

Call your dealer, I am sure the same cars are available there. MB is not stupid. You can't go from a 4cyl to AMG with nothing in between.
Is the CAD pricing out for the E43?
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I'd love to find out. I drive a w211 m273 kinda stock and can't wait to smoke it on the highway.
Great, until the first corner and you're off in a ditch.

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Is the CAD pricing out for the E43?
No and dealer could not tell me availability.
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IMHO a two digit car is a REAL AMG. SO this should NOT be a E43, It should be an E430 sport. IMHO
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IMHO a two digit car is a REAL AMG. SO this should NOT be a E43, It should be an E430 sport. IMHO
Why? Because it doesn't have a V8? AMG is the sum of it's parts, as you know. If the E43 has a high out engine, superior suspension and brakes plus all the AMG trim inside and and out, it should qualify to be an AMG.
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Why? Because it doesn't have a V8? AMG is the sum of it's parts, as you know. If the E43 has a high out engine, superior suspension and brakes plus all the AMG trim inside and and out, it should qualify to be an AMG.
The engine will be lower output than every standard V8 dating back to 2007. Just because it'll be slightly lower and have some more robust suspension components doesn't mean it's a real AMG. The last time an AMG engine made output similar to this engine was 2002 (NA 5.5 liter), except for the W209 where it persisted for another 2 years I believe. That's 15 years of real AMGs making over a hundred more HP.

This car will be great, but it shouldn't be branded as an AMG.

As a side note, I think the first time this was tried was with the CLK 430 Facelift Convertible. All CLK430 facelift convertibles were sold with an AMG suspension, wheels and body kit, but anyone that threw an AMG badge on them were rightfully laughed at.
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I agree with the sentiment here that this shouldn't be an AMG model. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the AMG Sport, it in fact made perfect sense. This was an E450 AMG Sport was perfect. I don't see how MBUSA expects people to choose between just the E300 and E43, the 329hp V6 E400 is needed to truly drive sales.


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Great, until the first corner and you're off in a ditch.

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thats what my 8p 4p brakes are for...the corners

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thats what my 8p 4p brakes are for...the corners

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Exactly the E550 can't corner so you have to stop, which is why the E43 will be blowing you into the weeds. You think the point or the thrill of driving briskly is having to stop in the corners. WOW. You guys are deprived.

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