Eco start/stop
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I can't see MB changing how they have ECO Start / Stop configured to work for the newer models, if that is what you are asking. EPA and mileage standards from the government are only slated to get worse, so I can't see any relief on that side that would allow MB to change how ECO Start / Stop is configured. Nothing in any of the W213 literature available to indicate a change. I asked my dealer / service guys a few weeks back if there were any other changes / features not already announced for the W213. Their answer was none. So your best bet would be contacting the folks in Chicago that make that after market solution to disable Start / Stop. Sorry I don't have the contact info in front of me right now, but it's included in a few of the ECO Start / Stop threads here.
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I can't see MB changing how they have ECO Start / Stop configured to work for the newer models, if that is what you are asking. EPA and mileage standards from the government are only slated to get worse, so I can't see any relief on that side that would allow MB to change how ECO Start / Stop is configured. Nothing in any of the W213 literature available to indicate a change. I asked my dealer / service guys a few weeks back if there were any other changes / features not already announced for the W213. Their answer was none. So your best bet would be contacting the folks in Chicago that make that after market solution to disable Start / Stop. Sorry I don't have the contact info in front of me right now, but it's included in a few of the ECO Start / Stop threads here.
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ECO start/stop can be turned off via Comand in the Dynamic Select section.
That setting is permanent. I am just not sure if the Dynamic Select setting is not defaulted back to Comfort or stays on Individual.
I don't know how the W212 works but currently on the W222, when selecting the Sport transmission setting, ECO is automatically disabled.
Unfortunately, Sport has to be selected each time but I never have to turn off the ECO function as I automatically choose Sport anyway.
That setting is permanent. I am just not sure if the Dynamic Select setting is not defaulted back to Comfort or stays on Individual.
I don't know how the W212 works but currently on the W222, when selecting the Sport transmission setting, ECO is automatically disabled.
Unfortunately, Sport has to be selected each time but I never have to turn off the ECO function as I automatically choose Sport anyway.
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ECO start/stop can be turned off via Comand in the Dynamic Select section.
That setting is permanent. I am just not sure if the Dynamic Select setting is not defaulted back to Comfort or stays on Individual.
I don't know how the W212 works but currently on the W222, when selecting the Sport transmission setting, ECO is automatically disabled.
Unfortunately, Sport has to be selected each time but I never have to turn off the ECO function as I automatically choose Sport anyway.
That setting is permanent. I am just not sure if the Dynamic Select setting is not defaulted back to Comfort or stays on Individual.
I don't know how the W212 works but currently on the W222, when selecting the Sport transmission setting, ECO is automatically disabled.
Unfortunately, Sport has to be selected each time but I never have to turn off the ECO function as I automatically choose Sport anyway.
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Are you sure? You still have to hit a button to change mode to sport every time you start the car.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
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2012 E350 4MATIC
Are you sure? You still have to hit a button to change mode to sport every time you start the car.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
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Are you sure? You still have to hit a button to change mode to sport every time you start the car.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it, the car will always start in Comfort mode and that includes start/stop enabled. You can either disable start/stop each time you start the engine, or you have to switch dynamic mode each time you start the engine.
That said on our SL550 I had to press the Sport mode AND the ECO button which is a pain. I can handle one button since the Sport mode is the only mode I drive in all the time.
Why have a big V8 when you start in 2nd gear
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I mentioned that the car starts in comfort mode on the W222 and other current models. I don't know if that's the case on the W213.
That said on our SL550 I had to press the Sport mode AND the ECO button which is a pain. I can handle one button since the Sport mode is the only mode I drive in all the time.
Why have a big V8 when you start in 2nd gear
That said on our SL550 I had to press the Sport mode AND the ECO button which is a pain. I can handle one button since the Sport mode is the only mode I drive in all the time.
Why have a big V8 when you start in 2nd gear
On the W213, it is supposed to default to comfort mode when started from what I've heard. Same as current models.
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These cars really should stay in what you want them to default to. My idea would be let them all default to comfort or econ or whatever the most efficient mode is. BUT allow the owner to change the default if they want it to remain in something different. Most will probably be fine with it defaulting to comfort but there are obviously some of us who like it to remain in something other.
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These cars really should stay in what you want them to default to. My idea would be let them all default to comfort or econ or whatever the most efficient mode is. BUT allow the owner to change the default if they want it to remain in something different. Most will probably be fine with it defaulting to comfort but there are obviously some of us who like it to remain in something other.
simple OBD2 plug
just search over ebay
https://www.ebay.com/sch/odkw=merced...eco+start+stop
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MY2018 eliminated the ECO choice (replaced by ESP), so AFAIK there is not way to turn it off after MY2018 without pressing the console button...OR...investigating one of these things.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/253177763173
(see the Thread "How do I set the default for ECO to off?)
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this AutoExpert video is interesting. He says the start-stop feature is harmless to the engine, but provides no value other than letting the car makers slightly game the fuel economy standards. Ridiculous “feature”
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I guess I agree that the car should remember options from one driving session to another. I'm curious though, why do you dislike the Stop/Start feature? I like having the car sit not running while I'm waiting at the lights, and the restart is instant - what's the downside for you?
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Not to mention my concern for long-term engine/starter durability. One time, just out of curiosity, I left the feature on and tried to count the stop/start cycles on my commute home (CA rush hour, 24 miles total, 18 miles on CA freeway). I stopped counting at 118 cycles - too many stop - move forward 10 feet - stop, movements to keep counting. This is pretty normal traffic for my commute. There and back that would be over 1000 stop/start cycles in one week. No way that wouldn't have a long-term impact on durability of engine and starter - at least for my tastes.
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Yeah, that would be pretty annoying! I'm much more free flowing traffic then stop a couple of times for maybe a 30-60 seconds at a light. In that case, having the engine stop seems sensible.
It would be much better if it just remembered what driving mode you were using and restarted in the same mode!
It would be much better if it just remembered what driving mode you were using and restarted in the same mode!
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Yeah, that would be pretty annoying! I'm much more free flowing traffic then stop a couple of times for maybe a 30-60 seconds at a light. In that case, having the engine stop seems sensible.
It would be much better if it just remembered what driving mode you were using and restarted in the same mode!
It would be much better if it just remembered what driving mode you were using and restarted in the same mode!
S&S module is extremely small and definately can not be found by dealers, but have to be soldered btw
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I guess I agree that the car should remember options from one driving session to another. I'm curious though, why do you dislike the Stop/Start feature? I like having the car sit not running while I'm waiting at the lights, and the restart is instant - what's the downside for you?
- Several times when I was making a left turn the car decided to stop at the same instant I tried to go. The result was a delay that could have easily caused an accident. There is a delay when the car restarts. The restart is not instantaneous as it can be measured on a stopwatch.
- The car shakes/vibrates when it starts which is very discomforting.
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I hate burning fuel sitting at a stop light.
Same here. I hate burning the fuel I’ve paid for while sitting at a stop light.
I guess I agree that the car should remember options from one driving session to another. I'm curious though, why do you dislike the Stop/Start feature? I like having the car sit not running while I'm waiting at the lights, and the restart is instant - what's the downside for you?
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I ordered this for my 2018 and had it installed. You can either automatic start in Comfort with no auto-start or if you change to Individual it restarts in that setting. Problem solved. https://www.midcityengineering.com/product/eco205/
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My biggest complaint with the Eco Start/Stop for the W213's is that it kills the AC when it does this. In Florida, AC is a requirement, day and night. Day for the heat, at night for the humidity. Additionally, because of the need for AC, at most the engine shuts down for 30 seconds before restarting.
Now, if they had put an electric AC compressor in there, I wouldn't mind it at all. Compared to my W212, the W213's start/stop is nowhere near as jarring or intrusive.
Now, if they had put an electric AC compressor in there, I wouldn't mind it at all. Compared to my W212, the W213's start/stop is nowhere near as jarring or intrusive.
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I’ve gone another 400 miles with none of the stopping or starting of ecostart. It is really amazing. And I never worry when I’m in the left turn lane if I’m actually able to go. Fuel economy has stayed in the 30s too.
