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Getting $10K off '16's MSRP vs. paying MSRP for '17 must have played some small part in the decision.

PigPen

Not really. I paid cash, but we keep our cars for at least 5 to 10 years, so the $10k amortized (if that's the right word) over that period is not really that much. As an aside, the 2017’s they had ranged from $58K for P1 to $62K for P2.

But, if the inline 6 comes out in the next year, the $10K does make it easier to eat the depreciation and upgrade. So in that sense it was a factor.

HBerman

Update: Car is now in production this week (VIN number received). I have P03 with HUD confirmed so it wasn't deleted from my original order. HUD is now available within P03 again instead of QQ03 (no HUD). P03 MSRP is $10,400 + $850 = $11,250 (the Burmester Surround Sound System) is listed separated on the PO even though it is priced into the P03 package.

joshg1001

Price went back down...

CarFan1

I tried the configurator and couldn't find a rear heated seats option. Would this have to be a special order? Typically when there is a three zone option the heated function for the outer rear seats are included.

MDMercedesGuy

Makes no sense, but I guess that's a lot better than it going up!

Maril555

Just another perspective on 4 cylinder engines.
I have been driving BMW for about 17 years now, and currently on my number 8.
5 of the 8 were 5-Series, 540, 535, etc.
I always held the same opinion on the I6 vs. 4-Cyl, until I got 2014 528xi (Turbo 4 Cyl, 250 HP), and have changed my mind since.
While it's clear, that 6 -Cyl has more power, still, the 4 Cyl is certainly very adequate in 95% of the everyday driving situations.
But the power differential is only part of the story.
Don't forget, that 4 -Cyl. is almost 200 lbs lighter, and all this weight is sitting right on your front axle, making for a VERY significant improvement in handling and the overall feel of the steering.
In my mind, this improvement in handling is a very fair trade-off for less power, and should be taking into account.
Just to refresh my memory, I drove my brother-in-law's 535xi GT, and it wasn't good- nose heavy, even the sound is not better, if not worse, than my 4 Cyl turbo.
I'm thinking about getting a new E-Class in December, when my BMW 528 lease expires, and having driven the W212 E-Class before, I'm certainly NOT going to miss it's 3.5 L naturally aspirated V6, which was not a good engine.
Haven't driven W213 yet, but I suspect, I'm going to like it, coming from my 528.
I also drove Audi A5 with 4_Cyl. turbo for 10 days while on vacation, and it's even quitter, than my BMWs.
And to re- iterate, 4- Cyl Turbo is the engine of the future for every single manufacturer, so people might want to get used to the concept.

MDMercedesGuy

A very good point people miss - and a good part of the reason I bought a C250 instead of a C350. Part 2 and 3 to follow.

Glad to know I am not the only one who finds the 3.5L to be abysmal...

NYbenzzz

not going to disagree with this, since manufacturer's are required to have an avg MPG across all models.

however......

i'm currently on my 5th month (6000 miles) of owning my 2016 w205 with the 4 banger turbo.

it is quite adequate in everyday driving. but the damn thing sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHEAP.

i'm almost embarrassed to press the gas pedal all the way. it sounds just like a honda civic. what the heck......

now you telling me a well optioned E300 is $70k. i sure as heck don't want my 70k car sounding like a civic.

petee1997

If we go back 12 years, my 04 SL500 had 302 HP and that was a V8. I think at the time the E300 6 cyl was about 220HP. Those propulsion systems were lousy on fuel and had low torque.

These new 4cyl turbos, by comparison, are really fuel efficient and develop as much HP as the old V6 NA engines but with a lot more torque. All in all, they have superior performance. The problem is psychological. It's ego. Accepting driving a large premium car with a tiny "4 cyl" like a Honda. In reality, if we did not know it was a 4 cyl. , we would be happy with the car.

That is progress, for the better I may add. The V8 is going the way of the dodo bird and the 6 cyl will follow soon. Expect to see gas electric as standard in the very near future.

Technology is moving faster than consumers' imagination.

joshg1001

There are some people who would refuse to purchase a 70K car simply because it has a 4 cyl. Then that is psychological and its on them. But we are saying that the 4 cyl sound, at idle, and at WOT, is terrible. It's more hoarse and rough sounding than a comparable 6 cyl, and that is a fact. Now, we all know noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH) is the nemesis of a luxury car, so it is unfitting to have something of this caliber to have a 4 cyl

MDMercedesGuy

It's inaudible at idle, and at WOT it is subjectively no different than the V6. Mechanical noises versus a bellowing intake and exhaust blat with the V6.
Facts are not subjective. The 3.5 sounds like garbage to some people's ears.

Lazarus Long

I will admit the 3.5 in my GLK isn't the best sounding engine in the world, but I attribute that to the direct injection. I won't say it is garbage, and I'll take it over the 4 banger. The engine was one of the reasons I got the GLK instead of the GLC. I came from a 350 Chevy V8, so even the V6 feels like settling for a lesser engine.

I test drove a BMW 528, I think it was a 2012, the first year they downgraded from the N/A straight 6 to the 4 banger. I was extremely unimpressed with both the sound and performance.

I'm glad to see Mercedes is developing their own straight 6, hopefully it sounds as sweet as BMWs. I suspect it will only be available as a high $$$ option though.

CAL - E

Typical for a newbie...I posted in the wrong thread somehow