New I4, I6 and V8 Engines Revealed
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New I4, I6 and V8 Engines Revealed
Surprised no one here has seen this:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...e-6cyl-engines
http://www.motortrend.com/news/500-c...engine-family/
New I4 with 272hp for the E300 no doubt.
New I6 with 408hp for E whatever and the S450.
New 4.0L V8 with 476hp for the new S550 or S560 if you believe Motor Trend.
These engines will no doubt change the E-Class model designations again for 2018, but this time it they new names should stay the same for a while.
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...e-6cyl-engines
http://www.motortrend.com/news/500-c...engine-family/
New I4 with 272hp for the E300 no doubt.
New I6 with 408hp for E whatever and the S450.
New 4.0L V8 with 476hp for the new S550 or S560 if you believe Motor Trend.
These engines will no doubt change the E-Class model designations again for 2018, but this time it they new names should stay the same for a while.
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One interesting information from the article is the explanation of the 500cc displacement increments -- for tax reason.
IIRC, the car taxes in China (and other countries) are very expensive, hence smaller displacement engines are favorable.
That may explain why suddenly all major car manufacturers put 2.0L I-4 Turbo engines in their cars (Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes, Porsche, etc.)
IIRC, the car taxes in China (and other countries) are very expensive, hence smaller displacement engines are favorable.
That may explain why suddenly all major car manufacturers put 2.0L I-4 Turbo engines in their cars (Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes, Porsche, etc.)
China! The “billions served” market taxes engines on a per-liter basis in half-liter increments, so manufacturers mapping out new engine families are heavily incentivized to bore and stroke their cylinders so as to come in a whisker under 500cc per hole, then add up however many of them are needed to hit the desired performance (and tax) target. Then voila! Instant engine family sharing bore, stroke, and usually cylinder-bore spacing.
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Something to chew on....these inline motors could very well be the last "clean sheet" internal combustion engine architecture that MB designs for passenger vehicles. Ever.
With the Tesla S outselling the S-Class and 7-Series (at least here in the USA) and with MB officially developing an initial family of four all-electric autos (two sedans, two SUVs), it seems like there's a trend developing.
Consdiering the inevitable continuous revisions that occur, this family of motors could easily last 15-20 years in various guises by which time there may not be a need for another MB engine.
My $0.02....
With the Tesla S outselling the S-Class and 7-Series (at least here in the USA) and with MB officially developing an initial family of four all-electric autos (two sedans, two SUVs), it seems like there's a trend developing.
Consdiering the inevitable continuous revisions that occur, this family of motors could easily last 15-20 years in various guises by which time there may not be a need for another MB engine.
My $0.02....
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Something to chew on....these inline motors could very well be the last "clean sheet" internal combustion engine architecture that MB designs for passenger vehicles. Ever.
With the Tesla S outselling the S-Class and 7-Series (at least here in the USA) and with MB officially developing an initial family of four all-electric autos (two sedans, two SUVs), it seems like there's a trend developing.
Consdiering the inevitable continuous revisions that occur, this family of motors could easily last 15-20 years in various guises by which time there may not be a need for another MB engine.
My $0.02....
With the Tesla S outselling the S-Class and 7-Series (at least here in the USA) and with MB officially developing an initial family of four all-electric autos (two sedans, two SUVs), it seems like there's a trend developing.
Consdiering the inevitable continuous revisions that occur, this family of motors could easily last 15-20 years in various guises by which time there may not be a need for another MB engine.
My $0.02....
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The price is similar to an S550 4Matic. The Tesla P90D, a mid range model, has a base price of $101,500 after tax credits. It is a far reach to call it luxurious. It looks and feels cheap though it gets better each year. The Tesla has many fit and finish shortcomings that I noticed when I visited the Tesla showroom at my local shopping mall.
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Front page news!
Figured the front page crowd would want to know about this too...
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...engine-family/
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...engine-family/
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Anyone knows which Mercedes models are already using this new four-cylinders engine?
Mercedes-Benz fans won’t have to wait long to see these advancements in action. While the four-cylinders are already in use in Europe, American enthusiasts will see these new engines first hand by next summer in the 2018 S-Class.
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...engine-family/
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...engine-family/
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The price is similar to an S550 4Matic. The Tesla P90D, a mid range model, has a base price of $101,500 after tax credits. It is a far reach to call it luxurious. It looks and feels cheap though it gets better each year. The Tesla has many fit and finish shortcomings that I noticed when I visited the Tesla showroom at my local shopping mall.
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from some of the articles i've seen the inline 6 won't be coming out in the S class for another year .
The new V8 isn't even 48V so it should probably come to the US first so i'd imagine 2018 S550 or 560 or whatever they will call it will have the 4.0 v8
I would put money on the inline 6 not being in the E class until 2019 models or later
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This gives me a deja vu of 2011vs 2012 transition, when the car got the engine that it really needed and not the old under powered one it had like today. That means waiting another year for the better engine...
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That's how I ended up buying my 2011 e550. I thought the 268hp six was ok but just not enough fun. I recently had a 2015 e350 as a rental car on a cheap upgrade from Budget and thought it was great. Wish they had that engine in the new e, might have gone for it. Regards. Ned.
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Waiting 2 years for a new engine
It is partly naked money grab
"forcing" people to step up to an AMG E43 when they would rather have bought a decent 6 cylinder E400 or E450 instead
the E400 333 hp V6 was available at launch in Europe, Canada, and Asia since this spring.
i would have gladly bought one
however MB USA thinks the best way to push metal and make profit is to sign people up for 2 year E300 "lease specials" then either upgrade to an E43 AMG in one year or an E400 (with inline 6) in two years
partly MPG from Euros and Obama EPA
i too was in the market for an E Class
When I test drive I was literally shocked at how underpowered it was. My dad had every single E Class dating back to a five cylinder 300D in 1977.
E's have always been underpowered. They are very heavy and weigh close to 4000 pounds. But you always got a sense of solidity, safety, and longevity with these cars. My dad drove one in excess of 375,000 miles.
however when I drove that E300 it felt shameful. I thought to myself "Man. This thing is going to get outpulled by a BMW, a Honda, or a Toyota. It has the same friggin engine as a CLA, GLA, or Mom's C Class. Heaven forbid if a Tesla P85 D with "ludicrous" mode pulls up next to you."
so I shelved my E Class idea and was holding out for a 2018 CLS
when I found out the 2018 CLS was "6 cylinder only"
i changed course again again and ordered a 2017 CLS550
classic V8 400 hp 444 ft lb of torque
the 3 liter 6 cylinder engine can chew on that all day long
"forcing" people to step up to an AMG E43 when they would rather have bought a decent 6 cylinder E400 or E450 instead
the E400 333 hp V6 was available at launch in Europe, Canada, and Asia since this spring.
i would have gladly bought one
however MB USA thinks the best way to push metal and make profit is to sign people up for 2 year E300 "lease specials" then either upgrade to an E43 AMG in one year or an E400 (with inline 6) in two years
partly MPG from Euros and Obama EPA
i too was in the market for an E Class
When I test drive I was literally shocked at how underpowered it was. My dad had every single E Class dating back to a five cylinder 300D in 1977.
E's have always been underpowered. They are very heavy and weigh close to 4000 pounds. But you always got a sense of solidity, safety, and longevity with these cars. My dad drove one in excess of 375,000 miles.
however when I drove that E300 it felt shameful. I thought to myself "Man. This thing is going to get outpulled by a BMW, a Honda, or a Toyota. It has the same friggin engine as a CLA, GLA, or Mom's C Class. Heaven forbid if a Tesla P85 D with "ludicrous" mode pulls up next to you."
so I shelved my E Class idea and was holding out for a 2018 CLS
when I found out the 2018 CLS was "6 cylinder only"
i changed course again again and ordered a 2017 CLS550
classic V8 400 hp 444 ft lb of torque
the 3 liter 6 cylinder engine can chew on that all day long
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Cheesehead, that is exactly what I did and for exactly the same reasons! I've been driving the 2017 CLS 550 for six weeks now and never had as much fun since the day I bought my new 1971 muscle Firebird Formula stick - now that was a car!!!
I have said here many times in different threads that with all the disappointment with the new E class (interior not withstanding), why not at least look at the CLS? It is far more exclusive and not that much more money considering what you get. It seems the C, E and S classes are all starting to look alike while the iconic "coupe" shape of the CLS remains pure and distinctive. The time tested 278 V8 twin turbo motor is a beast and fun to drive. The new 9 speed tranny is smooth as silk as well with gas mileage that will be a surprising plus factor. Put it in the eco/default mode and it is as comfortable and smooth a luxury sedan (or four door "coupe") as you would want. But once in sports mode the CLS delivers all the attributes of your best sports cars. The E class sounds like what it is - a four cylinder and I don't care how refined it might be. The CLS sounds like what IT is!
The CLS is a viable and attractive alternative to the E class as long as a big back seat is not required. Short of S class and AMG, it is IMHO the best MB offers.
I have said here many times in different threads that with all the disappointment with the new E class (interior not withstanding), why not at least look at the CLS? It is far more exclusive and not that much more money considering what you get. It seems the C, E and S classes are all starting to look alike while the iconic "coupe" shape of the CLS remains pure and distinctive. The time tested 278 V8 twin turbo motor is a beast and fun to drive. The new 9 speed tranny is smooth as silk as well with gas mileage that will be a surprising plus factor. Put it in the eco/default mode and it is as comfortable and smooth a luxury sedan (or four door "coupe") as you would want. But once in sports mode the CLS delivers all the attributes of your best sports cars. The E class sounds like what it is - a four cylinder and I don't care how refined it might be. The CLS sounds like what IT is!
The CLS is a viable and attractive alternative to the E class as long as a big back seat is not required. Short of S class and AMG, it is IMHO the best MB offers.
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Cheesehead, that is exactly what I did and for exactly the same reasons! I've been driving the 2017 CLS 550 for six weeks now and never had as much fun since the day I bought my new 1971 muscle Firebird Formula stick - now that was a car!!!
I have said here many times in different threads that with all the disappointment with the new E class (interior not withstanding), why not at least look at the CLS? It is far more exclusive and not that much more money considering what you get. It seems the C, E and S classes are all starting to look alike while the iconic "coupe" shape of the CLS remains pure and distinctive. The time tested 278 V8 twin turbo motor is a beast and fun to drive. The new 9 speed tranny is smooth as silk as well with gas mileage that will be a surprising plus factor. Put it in the eco/default mode and it is as comfortable and smooth a luxury sedan (or four door "coupe") as you would want. But once in sports mode the CLS delivers all the attributes of your best sports cars. The E class sounds like what it is - a four cylinder and I don't care how refined it might be. The CLS sounds like what IT is!
The CLS is a viable and attractive alternative to the E class as long as a big back seat is not required. Short of S class and AMG, it is IMHO the best MB offers.
I have said here many times in different threads that with all the disappointment with the new E class (interior not withstanding), why not at least look at the CLS? It is far more exclusive and not that much more money considering what you get. It seems the C, E and S classes are all starting to look alike while the iconic "coupe" shape of the CLS remains pure and distinctive. The time tested 278 V8 twin turbo motor is a beast and fun to drive. The new 9 speed tranny is smooth as silk as well with gas mileage that will be a surprising plus factor. Put it in the eco/default mode and it is as comfortable and smooth a luxury sedan (or four door "coupe") as you would want. But once in sports mode the CLS delivers all the attributes of your best sports cars. The E class sounds like what it is - a four cylinder and I don't care how refined it might be. The CLS sounds like what IT is!
The CLS is a viable and attractive alternative to the E class as long as a big back seat is not required. Short of S class and AMG, it is IMHO the best MB offers.
