Germancar1

Surprised no one here has seen this:


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...e-6cyl-engines

http://www.motortrend.com/news/500-c...engine-family/



New I4 with 272hp for the E300 no doubt.
New I6 with 408hp for E whatever and the S450.

New 4.0L V8 with 476hp for the new S550 or S560 if you believe Motor Trend.


These engines will no doubt change the E-Class model designations again for 2018, but this time it they new names should stay the same for a while.


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teksurv

Very cool. That I6 has me interested for sure.

DubVBenz

Please please please bring the new OM656 313HP inline 6 3.0 diesel to the states...

ua549

I'm hoping an '18 E Class with an M256 option will arrive in mid-2017. That's a year after the W213 went on sale. I've decided not to buy an E43.

autopal

My guess is the E43 coupe will come with the inline 6. 400 plus hp, and maybe 25 grand less than the E63 coupe would be very interesting.....

axhoaxho

One interesting information from the article is the explanation of the 500cc displacement increments -- for tax reason.

IIRC, the car taxes in China (and other countries) are very expensive, hence smaller displacement engines are favorable.

That may explain why suddenly all major car manufacturers put 2.0L I-4 Turbo engines in their cars (Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes, Porsche, etc.)

cadetdrivr

Something to chew on....these inline motors could very well be the last "clean sheet" internal combustion engine architecture that MB designs for passenger vehicles. Ever.

With the Tesla S outselling the S-Class and 7-Series (at least here in the USA) and with MB officially developing an initial family of four all-electric autos (two sedans, two SUVs), it seems like there's a trend developing.

Consdiering the inevitable continuous revisions that occur, this family of motors could easily last 15-20 years in various guises by which time there may not be a need for another MB engine.

My $0.02....

Germancar1

Why do you think Tesla outselling the S-Class is news? The two cars don't cost nearly the same. Secondly the ICE isn't going away and like always MB will design new engines again 10 or so years to keep them relevant. Every car on the road isn't going to be electric, car enthusiasts aren't going to allow it.

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ua549

The price is similar to an S550 4Matic. The Tesla P90D, a mid range model, has a base price of $101,500 after tax credits. It is a far reach to call it luxurious. It looks and feels cheap though it gets better each year. The Tesla has many fit and finish shortcomings that I noticed when I visited the Tesla showroom at my local shopping mall.

ngerstman

Why did you decide to not buy the e43? Thanks. Regards. Ned.

ua549

The AMG label that adds $$$ to insurance costs. The V6 engine will be the last of its kind. I'd rather have new technology.

MBWorld Editor

Figured the front page crowd would want to know about this too...
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...engine-family/

axhoaxho

Anyone knows which Mercedes models are already using this new four-cylinders engine?

ua549

The 2017 E220D in Europe uses the new OM654 diesel.

Germancar1

Doesn't really matter, the Model S doesn't start at the same price overall. S-Class goes to over 200K. So for every step that Tesla takes in price Mercedes goes much further. It's silly to compare their sales.

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Germancar1

My guess would be that the GLC, E, C, GLC Coupe, "300" models will get the new 272hp I4 for 2018. None of them are "already using" this engine, it's brand new.

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yuenchiu6

I am just praying the M176 engine would be offered on W213

knockout

Agreed! Missing the E550 option in the w213 chassis. As mentioned above, maybe it will happen on the coupe then sedan later on. Fingers crossed!

hans007

from some of the articles i've seen the inline 6 won't be coming out in the S class for another year .

The new V8 isn't even 48V so it should probably come to the US first so i'd imagine 2018 S550 or 560 or whatever they will call it will have the 4.0 v8

I would put money on the inline 6 not being in the E class until 2019 models or later

ua549

The I-6 will be in a MY 2018 S Class arriving in the US in either late summer or autumn of 2017 according to my dealer. That is a bit less than a year from now.

Mbracer26

This gives me a deja vu of 2011vs 2012 transition, when the car got the engine that it really needed and not the old under powered one it had like today. That means waiting another year for the better engine...

ngerstman

That's how I ended up buying my 2011 e550. I thought the 268hp six was ok but just not enough fun. I recently had a 2015 e350 as a rental car on a cheap upgrade from Budget and thought it was great. Wish they had that engine in the new e, might have gone for it. Regards. Ned.

Cheesehead

It is partly naked money grab

"forcing" people to step up to an AMG E43 when they would rather have bought a decent 6 cylinder E400 or E450 instead

the E400 333 hp V6 was available at launch in Europe, Canada, and Asia since this spring.

i would have gladly bought one

however MB USA thinks the best way to push metal and make profit is to sign people up for 2 year E300 "lease specials" then either upgrade to an E43 AMG in one year or an E400 (with inline 6) in two years

partly MPG from Euros and Obama EPA

i too was in the market for an E Class

When I test drive I was literally shocked at how underpowered it was. My dad had every single E Class dating back to a five cylinder 300D in 1977.

E's have always been underpowered. They are very heavy and weigh close to 4000 pounds. But you always got a sense of solidity, safety, and longevity with these cars. My dad drove one in excess of 375,000 miles.

however when I drove that E300 it felt shameful. I thought to myself "Man. This thing is going to get outpulled by a BMW, a Honda, or a Toyota. It has the same friggin engine as a CLA, GLA, or Mom's C Class. Heaven forbid if a Tesla P85 D with "ludicrous" mode pulls up next to you."

so I shelved my E Class idea and was holding out for a 2018 CLS

when I found out the 2018 CLS was "6 cylinder only"

i changed course again again and ordered a 2017 CLS550

classic V8 400 hp 444 ft lb of torque

the 3 liter 6 cylinder engine can chew on that all day long

shortspark

Cheesehead, that is exactly what I did and for exactly the same reasons! I've been driving the 2017 CLS 550 for six weeks now and never had as much fun since the day I bought my new 1971 muscle Firebird Formula stick - now that was a car!!!

I have said here many times in different threads that with all the disappointment with the new E class (interior not withstanding), why not at least look at the CLS? It is far more exclusive and not that much more money considering what you get. It seems the C, E and S classes are all starting to look alike while the iconic "coupe" shape of the CLS remains pure and distinctive. The time tested 278 V8 twin turbo motor is a beast and fun to drive. The new 9 speed tranny is smooth as silk as well with gas mileage that will be a surprising plus factor. Put it in the eco/default mode and it is as comfortable and smooth a luxury sedan (or four door "coupe") as you would want. But once in sports mode the CLS delivers all the attributes of your best sports cars. The E class sounds like what it is - a four cylinder and I don't care how refined it might be. The CLS sounds like what IT is!

The CLS is a viable and attractive alternative to the E class as long as a big back seat is not required. Short of S class and AMG, it is IMHO the best MB offers.

mjsbenz

Nice to hear that you are enjoying the CLS. It is a unique and different vehicle that has limited appeal. That is why MB sells so few of them. I have been in the back seat of the CLS and it is not comfortable. Comfort is something that I expect from a MB.