2017 E400 Sedan Review (we get them in Canada)
Summary
Car is fantastic
A joy to own
Exudes class and modernity
It's a head turner
It's not perfect though and there is some frustration and disappointment
It's a fully realized and noteworthy accomplishment
Red flags:
The E400 at low speed (yes this is the twin turbo gas V6) sounds terrible akin to a quieter version of a diesel Ford F-150. Almost embarrassing they could not quell some of that or change the harmonics to not sound like an old motor.
Run flats are a let down. Wish we had the option to swap for space saver and conventional tires. Run flats are clompy over bumps especially lower speed bumps unbefitting a Mercedes. I have the gorgeous 18 inch AMG star wheels btw so not crazy big.
However, the suspension tuning is perfect. Not floaty at all yet not too stiff either which mitigates some of run flat harshness. With regular tires the ride would be nirvana.
(I don't have air springs which probably solve the problem completely except for road noise)
As far as I can tell we have no option for acoustic glass so I assume my car does not have it. It's pretty quiet though on highway if not exceptionally so.
The bottom line is the tires are acceptable but not ideal.
I'm coming from an Audi A6 with 3.0T engine that was silkier and nearly silent on city side streets. I miss that. The E400 V6 engine idle db and low speed deamenor needs improvement. Again, it sounds diesel like and is too loud even with noticeable harmonics with windows shut (at 25mph or under, 40km/h and under speeds) Maybe that's partly why they will switch to inline 6s in future.
The power of the twin turbo on the other hand is very good far and away superior and smoother to the E300 (sorry USA), and with lag free torque. I have no complaints about power delivery. Pulls away nice and smooth no peaky torque or delay of power. Yet, you need to move? It's a rocket on demand. Otherwise, the power delivery is for a gentleman as befits a Mercedes. Classy.
Fuel economy is very good easily besting my Audi. Nice bonus there. On a road trip (not done one yet) it must be diesel like mileage I surmise with that 9 speed.
As an aside: I drove a 2017 Audi S4 with the new turbo 3.0T that replaced the supercharger and it was laggy as hell. The old Audi 3.0T supercharged was their best engine over the last decade. Too bad it's being replaced by an inferior turbo one.
I think the twin turbo is key for eliminating dreaded lag and the Mercedes is the better engine for power delivery now.
That's about it. Tech is great, too much to talk about. I can do a different review of tech. Quality is exceptional, and car has had zero problems.
I love the car. No it's not perfect but it is still fun and fantastic. (Conventional tire swap would do wonders alone)
The engineering is truly astounding and noteworthy befitting a Mercedes and everything you expect from a German car that sets and defines the bar. When you see the car and open the door it's very satisfying and exciting to get in and immerse yourself in this truly world class vehicle (other brands claim world class but that's a joke).
IMO only a fully realized effort produces the repeatable emotion of excitement and satisfaction everytime. This car, as many German cars has it in spades on a next generation level. Not an easy accomplishment. But the goal was achieved here. All is well at Mercedes Benz. This is a professional car made by experts with passion.
Finally, this car is worth the price unlike many other choices in this price range (mostly non German).
Last edited by Mitch105; May 20, 2017 at 08:58 AM.
I'm still in the break-in phase, but even then I drive like an old man (at 48 getting there). But when I want power, I want there to be smooth effortless power. You need at least a V6 for that smooth refined power IMO. The engine might be a bit loud at low speed but it's still a smooth V6 with beautiful spot on linear power on demand. That's what I paid for and that's what I have; a premium engine in my premium car that makes it special and exciting. I might not drive like a crazy kid but I certainly consider myself a passionate car enthusiast. No 4 banger can live up to that in a car this size and weight. At least not for now until a hybrid comes or some other new electric option appears that makes the V6 less appealing.
Last edited by Mitch105; May 20, 2017 at 08:56 PM.
Summary
Car is fantastic
A joy to own
Exudes class and modernity
It's a head turner
It's not perfect though and there is some frustration and disappointment
It's a fully realized and noteworthy accomplishment
Red flags:
The E400 at low speed (yes this is the twin turbo gas V6) sounds terrible akin to a quieter version of a diesel Ford F-150. Almost embarrassing they could not quell some of that or change the harmonics to not sound like an old motor.
Run flats are a let down. Wish we had the option to swap for space saver and conventional tires. Run flats are clompy over bumps especially lower speed bumps unbefitting a Mercedes. I have the gorgeous 18 inch AMG star wheels btw so not crazy big.
However, the suspension tuning is perfect. Not floaty at all yet not too stiff either which mitigates some of run flat harshness. With regular tires the ride would be nirvana.
(I don't have air springs which probably solve the problem completely except for road noise)
As far as I can tell we have no option for acoustic glass so I assume my car does not have it. It's pretty quiet though on highway if not exceptionally so.
The bottom line is the tires are acceptable but not ideal.
I'm coming from an Audi A6 with 3.0T engine that was silkier and nearly silent on city side streets. I miss that. The E400 V6 engine idle db and low speed deamenor needs improvement. Again, it sounds diesel like and is too loud even with noticeable harmonics with windows shut (at 25mph or under, 40km/h and under speeds) Maybe that's partly why they will switch to inline 6s in future.
The power of the twin turbo on the other hand is very good far and away superior and smoother to the E300 (sorry USA), and with lag free torque. I have no complaints about power delivery. Pulls away nice and smooth no peaky torque or delay of power. Yet, you need to move? It's a rocket on demand. Otherwise, the power delivery is for a gentleman as befits a Mercedes. Classy.
Fuel economy is very good easily besting my Audi. Nice bonus there. On a road trip (not done one yet) it must be diesel like mileage I surmise with that 9 speed.
As an aside: I drove a 2017 Audi S4 with the new turbo 3.0T that replaced the supercharger and it was laggy as hell. The old Audi 3.0T supercharged was their best engine over the last decade. Too bad it's being replaced by an inferior turbo one.
I think the twin turbo is key for eliminating dreaded lag and the Mercedes is the better engine for power delivery now.
That's about it. Tech is great, too much to talk about. I can do a different review of tech. Quality is exceptional, and car has had zero problems.
I love the car. No it's not perfect but it is still fun and fantastic. (Conventional tire swap would do wonders alone)
The engineering is truly astounding and noteworthy befitting a Mercedes and everything you expect from a German car that sets and defines the bar. When you see the car and open the door it's very satisfying and exciting to get in and immerse yourself in this truly world class vehicle (other brands claim world class but that's a joke).
IMO only a fully realized effort produces the repeatable emotion of excitement and satisfaction everytime. This car, as many German cars has it in spades on a next generation level. Not an easy accomplishment. But the goal was achieved here. All is well at Mercedes Benz. This is a professional car made by experts with passion.
Finally, this car is worth the price unlike many other choices in this price range (mostly non German).
Power's good and befitting of the car's size. It does give off a feeling of confidence and Teutonic solidness. But that being said, my GLC43 feels more like an autobahn dominator compared to the E400.
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These runflats are acceptable but disappointing by comparison especially in a luxury bent car like an E400. All that work to engineer this car to the pinnacle of the craft. Then they slap run flats that leave the owner flat...
Anyway, its such a pain to swap as here in Toronto the dealer offers no solution package. So you have to order the tire inflation kit, purchase separate tires and then eat the 100% cost of the run flats or try somehow to sell them.
I, for one, have little time for this kind of fuss. I would be happy to pay my Mercedes dealer a more than fair premium to swap option and just get it done. But, no, its not offered.
And, here in Ontario, Canada, its a big place. We have a vast cottage country. Good luck to me and my family if I get a flat 150-200km+ away in the country in the middle of a weekend. No one will be able to help. So there you are in your 17 E400, passed on the side of the road by Jake in a 1997 Chevy with 497,000km and zero issues. I can see it now.
OK, to be fair I can drive on the runflats, but where? The in-town tire shop? Yeah, they stock my run flat Pirelli's no problem sir lol. Go get a locally made ice cream cone and by the time you are back you'll be all set! Right.....
Look, I have not actually had a flat in years and years, and the last time I did I was at home in Toronto, but still.
Last edited by Mitch105; May 21, 2017 at 11:26 AM.
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As far as flats are concerned, you can have a plug installed on a temp basis if there is no tire available. I think I prefer run flats to changing a tire. At least you can drive to a repair shop of some kind.
I have a E43 coming. I'm hoping the 19" wheels and air suspension will offset the hard riding tires. Either way, it is what it is and in a few years, all cars will be on run flats.
As far as flats are concerned, you can have a plug installed on a temp basis if there is no tire available. I think I prefer run flats to changing a tire. At least you can drive to a repair shop of some kind.
I have a E43 coming. I'm hoping the 19" wheels and air suspension will offset the hard riding tires. Either way, it is what it is and in a few years, all cars will be on run flats.
Good points as long as the flat is repairable to get you through a weekend and make it to a dealer. I'm sure air suspension will we terrific. Not sure if E43 has run flats. Might be conventional and a tire inflation kit.
Last edited by Mitch105; May 21, 2017 at 05:28 PM.
Good points as long as the flat is repairable to get you through a weekend and make it to a dealer. I'm sure air suspension will we terrific. Not sure if E43 has run flats. Might be conventional and a tire inflation kit.
When I get my E400 wagon, I think it will also have them as well, the whole stable!
Thought I should do obligatory pic too.
Last edited by Mitch105; May 21, 2017 at 08:27 PM.
Good points as long as the flat is repairable to get you through a weekend and make it to a dealer. I'm sure air suspension will we terrific. Not sure if E43 has run flats. Might be conventional and a tire inflation kit.









