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Besides the engine change, what else is changing on the E450 compared to the current model? And what made you want to want to buy the E450 over the current E400?
Other than option package changes, there isn't much changing on the 2019. I actually told my dealer if they can find a 2018 with the options I want, I'd seriously consider it. I thought the E400 had more than enough oomph for my driving needs. But you can no longer order a 2018 and if I can't get pretty much exactly what I want, that's why I'll wait for a 2019 to be built. I don't want to drop this much money on something unless it's what I really want.
Other than option package changes, there isn't much changing on the 2019. I actually told my dealer if they can find a 2018 with the options I want, I'd seriously consider it. I thought the E400 had more than enough oomph for my driving needs. But you can no longer order a 2018 and if I can't get pretty much exactly what I want, that's why I'll wait for a 2019 to be built. I don't want to drop this much money on something unless it's what I really want.
Definitely, gotcha. Your going to have one sweet ride, congrats! Post some pics when it comes!
Definitely, gotcha. Your going to have one sweet ride, congrats! Post some pics when it comes!
You can count it! It won't be till the fall sometime, that's for sure. My dealer said he has over 100 2019 vehicles sitting at the VPC and Mercedes just won't release them. He thinks they may not release 2019's until September, even though their built and just sitting there.
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
I compared MSRP on the 2018 E400 vs. MSRP 2019 E450. I want all the safety options, Premium Package (POI), Exterior lighting (319), Drive assist package (997), heated steering wheel (443). When I found these options on in stock 2018 the car also had the upgraded stereo ($4450) and the panorama Sunroof (1,000) - two items I do not want. .
Also the MSRP on the 2019 with the above safety features and/or packages priced out about $3,000 less than a similar equipped 2018.
I compared MSRP on the 2018 E400 vs. MSRP 2019 E450. I want all the safety options, Premium Package (POI), Exterior lighting (319), Drive assist package (997), heated steering wheel (443). When I found these options on in stock 2018 the car also had the upgraded stereo ($4450) and the panorama Sunroof (1,000) - two items I do not want. .
Also the MSRP on the 2019 with the above safety features and/or packages priced out about $3,000 less than a similar equipped 2018.
That's because MB made you pop for the over $10K P03 package if you wanted the great safety features. For 2019, they're in separate packages, allowing you to better customize what you want. And I would never pop for the over $4K premium sound system. The Burmester for $850 is more than enough for my listening needs. You did get the HUD in the P03 package, which is now standalone at $990. I didn't add it to my build, but I did get all the cool safety driver and parking packages. I did pop for the all digital instrument cluster, which is now also standalone for $850.
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
I agree: The old PO3 at $10k plus had features I did not need or want. I also note that both the HUD and digital instruments are subject to availability - as per he DOG. I want the digital instrument cluster but will pass on the HUD. What did your dealer say about the availability of the digital instrument cluster? Will it effect delivery?
Finally I want all the help I can get at night and will order the exterior lighting package. My prior BMW 535 had lights that followed your steering wheel and I miss that feature on my MB E350. My Ford Edge Sport has automatic high beams which I find pretty cool as well!
In the north east a heated steering wheel is a must!
My lease runs out end of December and in speaking to my dealer (member of Costco) I was told to come back end of August to place order for delivery in December.
I agree: The old PO3 at $10k plus had features I did not need or want. I also note that both the HUD and digital instruments are subject to availability - as per he DOG. I want the digital instrument cluster but will pass on the HUD. What did your dealer say about the availability of the digital instrument cluster? Will it effect delivery?
Finally I want all the help I can get at night and will order the exterior lighting package. My prior BMW 535 had lights that followed your steering wheel and I miss that feature on my MB E350. My Ford Edge Sport has automatic high beams which I find pretty cool as well!
In the north east a heated steering wheel is a must!
My lease runs out end of December and in speaking to my dealer (member of Costco) I was told to come back end of August to place order for delivery in December.
The actual order will be going into NetStar tomorrow morning and they'll let me know when it's accepted if there's going to be an issue with the all digital instrument cluster. My understanding is for dealer inventory, it may be harder to get, but for a customer order, it becomes a higher priority. I'll report back when I know more. I currently have the intelligent LED lighting in my C300 and it's a must must have. While I hear you on the heating steering wheel, that's not an option one might ever need in hot and sultry Florida. But ventilated seats are an ABSOLUTE MUST have!
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
Is the digital instrument panel standard on the E450 carbiolet and coupe?
If it is, I hope that when I order my E450 it like the cabriolet and coupe will get priority. My present lease is really cheap and if there is a delay I can always extend it.
Is the digital instrument panel standard on the E450 carbiolet and coupe?
If it is, I hope that when I order my E450 it like the cabriolet and coupe will get priority. My present lease is really cheap and if there is a delay I can always extend it.
I don't believe the all digital instrument panel is standard on either the coupe or Cab. I have a friend who took delivery of a 2018 E400 Cab a couple months ago and did not get the digital instrument cluster.
They recommended the 18" wheels for the very reasons I've read, which is on 19" wheels the sidewall is shortened and can lead to more bent wheels and bubbled tires if you hit a pothole. I knew that 19" wheels are not necessarily better, but I just like the actual wheels that you can get over the 18." They also said that the 19" tires will wear out faster than the 18" and given these tires are expensive, I just prefer to not be dealing with buying tires sooner if I can avoid it. So I'm getting the 18."
This is what I wanted:
This is what I'll be getting, which are still good looking:
And yes, I'm getting an amazing discount. Truly. But I'm sworn to secrecy as I've bought more cars in 20 years from this dealer than I have fingers and toes and they give me a major discount off MSRP.
After all the back and forth on this subject, I have changed my order to the 19" wheels. I plan on getting the wheel and tire insurance, so if a rim gets bent, so be it. I just really prefer the look of the 19" wheels over the 18". So there!
Welp.......my order is now officially in NetStar and I have confirmed every option to ensure it is exactly what I wanted. Now the long tedius, why isn't it here yesterday, wait begins. Being born without a patience gene, I find waiting extremely difficult.
Welp.......my order is now officially in NetStar and I have confirmed every option to ensure it is exactly what I wanted. Now the long tedius, why isn't it here yesterday, wait begins. Being born without a patience gene, I find waiting extremely difficult.
The toughest part is when it sits at the VPC in the US for a long time with no known release date. You get really tempted to give up on it and get something else...
The toughest part is when it sits at the VPC in the US for a long time with no known release date. You get really tempted to give up on it and get something else...
I know, I know.... I can practically hear my poor E450 Cab crying out, "I want to be with my owner!. I want to be free from purgatory and this Baltimore prison for cars!"
I put in an order with my dealer in April for the E450 coupe this year after we found out I couldn't get the 2018 E400 coupe that I ordered in January, 2018. They couldn't get the digital instrument dash, so I couldn't get the P3 option package with all the driver assist goodies. Dealer said let's change it to the 2019 E450 (that engine and the new steering wheel!), I'd just have to wait longer to get what I want. My order says "Decade planned: 18/07-2" and "Est. Prod. Date: 2018/08/3D", so it looks like it will be produced the third week in August...less than 1 month to go! Of course who knows when the 2019s will be released and shipped. I'm hoping for an October delivery.
I ordered:
Lunatic Blue Metallic (sorry, I mean Lunar)
Macchiato Beige/Yacht Blue leather
Light brown Sen Wood dash/console
Premium Package, Exterior Light Package, AMG Line Package, Energizing Comfort Package, Parking Assistance Package, Driver Assistance Package, Chrome door handles, LED logo projector, Multicontour Front seats w/massage, Heated and Ventilated Front seats, Heads-Up display, 12.3" Digital instrument cluster, Power rear window sunshade, Burmester Surround Sound (the $550 model), Soft-Close doors, 19' AMG Twin 5-spoke wheels with high-perf summer tires.
I live in the hottest spot in Arizona, so some of those options reflect that. I wanted the upgraded sound deadening package, but that is only available in the 4 door, not the coupe. Now it's a waiting game Rbrylaw, but mine has been going on since January! My wife says I'm crazy, delayed gratification taken to extremes! But I want what I wants, especially if I'm looking at a car with MSRP of $76,580.
Steve
I put in an order with my dealer in April for the E450 coupe this year after we found out I couldn't get the 2018 E400 coupe that I ordered in January, 2018. They couldn't get the digital instrument dash, so I couldn't get the P3 option package with all the driver assist goodies. Dealer said let's change it to the 2019 E450 (that engine and the new steering wheel!), I'd just have to wait longer to get what I want. My order says "Decade planned: 18/07-2" and "Est. Prod. Date: 2018/08/3D", so it looks like it will be produced the third week in August...less than 1 month to go! Of course who knows when the 2019s will be released and shipped. I'm hoping for an October delivery.
I ordered:
Lunatic Blue Metallic (sorry, I mean Lunar)
Macchiato Beige/Yacht Blue leather
Light brown Sen Wood dash/console
Premium Package, Exterior Light Package, AMG Line Package, Energizing Comfort Package, Parking Assistance Package, Driver Assistance Package, Chrome door handles, LED logo projector, Multicontour Front seats w/massage, Heated and Ventilated Front seats, Heads-Up display, 12.3" Digital instrument cluster, Power rear window sunshade, Burmester Surround Sound (the $550 model), Soft-Close doors, 19' AMG Twin 5-spoke wheels with high-perf summer tires.
I live in the hottest spot in Arizona, so some of those options reflect that. I wanted the upgraded sound deadening package, but that is only available in the 4 door, not the coupe. Now it's a waiting game Rbrylaw, but mine has been going on since January! My wife says I'm crazy, delayed gratification taken to extremes! But I want what I wants, especially if I'm looking at a car with MSRP of $76,580.
Steve
You Sir, deserve an award. Yes you do! I simply couldn't have that level of patience. No way. No how.
We might become a 2 E Class household. We ordered a 2019 Cabriolet, but I've never really felt safe in a convertible. While I was test driving the E400 this weekend, the partner also drove it. He decided to go to the dealership this afternoon and look over all the E's they have (which is quite a few) and tomorrow we may commit to either a E300, with P02 package or a E400 with P02 package. He doesn't want all the cool things like I do. And he drove an E300 today and thought it had more than enough get up and go. But I'm more in favor of the E400. It's a $4K difference, which in the scheme of things isn't extreme. The E300 is Polar White and has the AMG Styling with 19" wheels. The E400 is Black with Sport, but not AMG, with 18" Wheels. We're going at lunch tomorrow to either buy one or keep the order for the Cabriolet. All three are priced within a couple $thousdand of each other and I personally feel the E is a safer vehicle overall.
We might become a 2 E Class household. We ordered a 2019 Cabriolet, but I've never really felt safe in a convertible. While I was test driving the E400 this weekend, the partner also drove it. He decided to go to the dealership this afternoon and look over all the E's they have (which is quite a few) and tomorrow we may commit to either a E300, with P02 package or a E400 with P02 package. He doesn't want all the cool things like I do. And he drove an E300 today and thought it had more than enough get up and go. But I'm more in favor of the E400. It's a $4K difference, which in the scheme of things isn't extreme. The E300 is Polar White and has the AMG Styling with 19" wheels. The E400 is Black with Sport, but not AMG, with 18" Wheels. We're going at lunch tomorrow to either buy one or keep the order for the Cabriolet. All three are priced within a couple $thousdand of each other and I personally feel the E is a safer vehicle overall.
I have no safety issues with a convertible. The roll bars instantly pop up above your head if the car senses it’s rolling on its axis.
I have no safety issues with a convertible. The roll bars instantly pop up above your head if the car senses it’s rolling on its axis.
Regardless, congratulations on your new arrival
I know roll bars pop up, but still I don't feel all that safe. To me, if the Cabriolet was less expensive, it would make it an easier decision. For about the same $$, the E class is a lot more car.
A tip for those with vehicles stuck in limbo at VPC: check the charge of your battery when you eventually get delivery of the car. I did ED of an E400S, built in April, and picked up in Sindelfingen 16 May. After 2 weeks driving in Europe (really just 2 long trips with vehicle garaged most of rest of 800 mile trip) the car was delivered to dealer 5 weeks after drop off in Germany. After I picked it up, I hooked up to a battery tender, and was amazed that it took nearly 48 hours to fully charge the battery.
As an owner you can put the car into a 'sleep' mode when parking at airport etc for long periods, which greatly reduces battery discharge. When vehicles are shipped, something similar (the same?) should be done routinely, but at least in my case the battery was far from fully charged after delivery to US. If you don't routinely take longish trips after delivery of your car in US, might be worth charging battery, especially with the dreaded auto stop/start putting an extra strain on your battery.
I know roll bars pop up, but still I don't feel all that safe. To me, if the Cabriolet was less expensive, it would make it an easier decision. For about the same $$, the E class is a lot more car.
A tip for those with vehicles stuck in limbo at VPC: check the charge of your battery when you eventually get delivery of the car. I did ED of an E400S, built in April, and picked up in Sindelfingen 16 May. After 2 weeks driving in Europe (really just 2 long trips with vehicle garaged most of rest of 800 mile trip) the car was delivered to dealer 5 weeks after drop off in Germany. After I picked it up, I hooked up to a battery tender, and was amazed that it took nearly 48 hours to fully charge the battery.
As an owner you can put the car into a 'sleep' mode when parking at airport etc for long periods, which greatly reduces battery discharge. When vehicles are shipped, something similar (the same?) should be done routinely, but at least in my case the battery was far from fully charged after delivery to US. If you don't routinely take longish trips after delivery of your car in US, might be worth charging battery, especially with the dreaded auto stop/start putting an extra strain on your battery.
I heard that they do things to your car at the VPC like charging the battery and moving the car occasionally to avoid flat spots on the tires. Not sure if that is true or not. At any rate, a prolonged stay at the VPC isn't a good thing - seems like damage of one kind or another is something to worry about. I don't like how they handle new models and model year changes with building up inventory at VPCs.
I heard that they do things to your car at the VPC like charging the battery and moving the car occasionally to avoid flat spots on the tires. Not sure if that is true or not. At any rate, a prolonged stay at the VPC isn't a good thing - seems like damage of one kind or another is something to worry about. I don't like how they handle new models and model year changes with building up inventory at VPCs.
I’m just irritated that customers in the UK are getting their 2019 e-classes already. Arrgghhh. :-)
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