gearFX

Or is the W213 mid-cycle refresh expected to have carryover mechanicals, since a modest power bump already occurred in 2019 (when the V6 was updated from E400 to E450)?

mercedes.fan

Yes the facelift will get the i6

gearFX

Thank you, you sound pretty certain. Has this information already been disclosed or published somewhere official? Or do you have "inside" sources? (No need to divulge identities, but I am wondering where I can read more about this.)

DFWdude

An I6? Really? How BMW that is...

LILBENZ230

Well you know Benz used to use I6 engines as well. They went to V6 engines for packaging efficiency, but now with the 48V hybrid system the I6 is coming back.

DFWdude

Yea, last century (20+ years ago).

Not trying to throw rocks here. Just that when I bought my first MB, there was so much bruhaha -- right here on these forums -- about MB leaving the "antiquated" I-6 behind to go with a "modern" V6... and how BMW seemed stuck in the past with its I-6. That's all.

ua549

I didn't like the V6 concept then and still don't. They are much more complex and vibrate more. I never bought one. Until my current 4 banger I've always bought MB V8's or BMW I6's.

LILBENZ230

I don't mind the M276.. I have not driven the W213, but I didn't mind the I4/9G combo in a recent 2020 C300 loaner. But MB I4 reliability in the past 15 years with the M271 and M271Evo is sketchy.

crothberg

As I recall, the vibration/complexity of the mercedes v6 related to it being a 90 degree design - derived from a v8.

JTK44

You are correct:

Keep in mind V8's are naturally balanced while V6's are not.

I6 are also naturally balanced. That is one reason BMW never went to the V6.

The knock on the i6 is that longitudinally, front to back, they take up more room than a V8.

MBNUT1

From a inherent vibration standpoint the I6 is superior to the V6. It was never about the "antiquated" I6 whoever said that was full of it. It was done for manufacturing costs. It probably signals that V8's are not long for the world in MB land.

JTK44

With over 360HP and tons of torque in the new I6 48 volt engine, I would think the number of V8's being sold in the E class would be greatly diminished.

As for the S Class and the Maybach, I am not so sure:

In any event, enjoy as by 2025, the ICE will be replaced by EV's.

ua549

V-12's are still selling very well. there are several new ones in my neighborhood including G, S and SL models.

BeachBunny

No chance in hell.

#1) Battery technology isn't there.
#2) The US power grid can't handle it.
#3) Consumers aren't going to go for it
#4) Depending on who wins the election, we'll either have ICE cars OR we'll be banned from owning cars outright.

I say all that, and I'm actually quite a fan of EV cars an alternative energy. I'm wired for solar on one of my homes, and spent quite a bit of time trying to make an EV work for my work/travel needs. At this point in time, none of the EVs out there will do what I need them to do. Even more-so in a hurricane-prone area with an already-fragile power grid.

JTK44

Dear Beach Bunny:

Perhaps you missed this and many other articles that said development of further ICE by Mercedes will end by 2026.

Mercedes is planning on going all electric - same as VW.

see: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...s-focus-on-evs

TPAbnz

Will this be the standard/base engine and replace the 4 cyl?

2012 merc amg

Ya, mind blower on VW and Benz going all Electric sooner than you'd think. I guess in reality the global warming problem really is bad although you'd never think so listening to the current US gov. I'm not really crazy about the idea of Electric cars unless they really can come up with better solutions for charging stops and that sort of thing.

BeachBunny

Climate hysteria/alarmism is at an all-time high.

Lots of mistruths told by both sides of the argument. The science for it is anything but "settled." Science, despite popular belief, is very fallible. This 1989 article says that "...entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000," and we'd see 3-foot sea level rises and up to 7C surface temperature rise by then. Here we are, 20 years past the predicted doomsday date, this hasn't happened. We were also told that glaciers would disappear by 2020...but now they're taking down signs about that.

At the same time, it's foolhardy to think that human activity doesn't have an effect on the Earth. Ask people from a few generations ago about all of the industrial & coal soot that covered everything outside, and having to wipe down chairs and clotheslines before using them. Or just look in any US state where the population is booming and you'll see acres of natural lands being bulldozed to dirt and filled with townhouses, asphalt, and malls.

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth...but I'm afraid the two sides are too polarized to ever get there. Instead, we'll get knee-jerk, political decisions that will ultimately screw us over. See also, the PATRIOT Act and the TSA for how well this works out.

rraisley

We've discussed this before. That article on MB EVs concerns /development/ not production. Current ICE engines are about as advanced as they can be, so why spend more money on developing them. EV, or other technologies of non-electric, will be the future. But certainly not in 2025. Can you imagine buying a 2025 MB E-Class, and not being able to drive it on vacation because of the distance? MB, the ultimate highway cruiser? Not a chance!

ua549

EV's won't be practical for other than urban use until the recharging can be completed in a few minutes instead of a few hours.

Driving from Clearwater, FL to Ashville, NC (675 miles) is an easy 9 hour drive. I usually make one 15 minute stop for food & fuel. An EV with 3 charging stops required would turn it into a multi day event.

CaprichioArabe

Here’s a article on EVs in Forbes that contains some misleading info. For example, the “Top 10 Car Repairs” are actually those resulting from a “check engine light” if you read the linked reference article. Repair #4 (gas cap) is the problem 46% of the time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/201.../#6e2a9db603fe

EVs and other technologies are certainly the future, but perhaps not so abruptly as the author would have us believe.