2021 E Class All Terrain
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I am just hoping the All Terrain is in addition to the current E Wagon... Otherwise, disappointing... Part of the fun of the wagon is the uniqueness of it. Once it has plastic cladding and other silly off road cues, it's really just like everything else.
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No thank you. The all road look just isn’t for me. But I am newly happy with my designo, luxury, S Class lookalike MY 19 wagon. I expect to be out of the market for a new wagon for quite some time.
p s It is not unusual for our local dealer to have 4 or 5 new wagons in stock.
p s It is not unusual for our local dealer to have 4 or 5 new wagons in stock.
Last edited by Hundens; Mar 3, 2020 at 10:14 AM.
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They way I read the MB USA press release linked below is that the only wagon option in the US will be All-Terrain for MY 2021. Why screw up the previous elegance and make it look like a Volvo or Subaru? I considered cancelling 2020 wagon order - but not any more.
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/the...shedDescending
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/the...shedDescending
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Well, nows the time to get the 2020 model! I think it’s a big mistake that they’re not offering both the all terrain and regular wagon. The E Class wagon already sells poorly in the US. The only people who buy it are loyalists for the most part. They might sell more All-Terrains but the people who swear by the E Class Wagon and are so loyal to the brand are now gonna move on.
I wonder if 2020 models will hold value a little better as the last if the non off road wagons.
I wonder if 2020 models will hold value a little better as the last if the non off road wagons.
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BK. The E Wagon does not sell poorly. Probably 1100 plus most years along with 100 plus AMG models. Clearly more than BMW or Audi. But the important thing for MB is that the wagon purchaser has the highest socio-economics of any MB model. It brings in customers who would normally not own a MB. People who drive Ferrari’s buy the wagon to carry the luggage. Then there is the tradition and the idea of being a full range manufacturer.
Now I agree with you I would not buy an all road, but that may never become a problem. But let’s see what the AMG wagon looks like.
Now I agree with you I would not buy an all road, but that may never become a problem. But let’s see what the AMG wagon looks like.
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The slightly higher part interested me, as I think that would be easier for me to get into, but not the rest.
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You gotta love Audi. A delete option for $1,000. In what other industry do you get charged for taking less content. But don't get me started on the morals of the VW/Porsche/Audi group. It is one of the reasons I buy a Benz
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My house builder (not a custom). Standard was a very small pantry with a desk beside it, with cabinets top and bottom and a granite top. Optional was a full length pantry, with no desk, granite or cabinets, for, you guessed it, a $1,000 cost. As illogical as it was, I had to pay the extra for the larger pantry, not really needing the desk. :-(
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I've been toying with having the side and rear windows tinted on my 2020 E450 Wagon. I don't really need them, it just seems like it should have them. I assume you disagree.
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I don't disagree with a uniform tint of the full side and back. I just don't like when it's tinted from the B pillars back. It looks uneven to me
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In Australia, currently, we don't get the normal E-Class T-Modell (wagon), we only get one variant, which is the E220d All-Terrain, so I haven't seen what the current one looks like. When the refresh comes, I think it will be the same situation, ie we will only see the All-Terrain.
I do hope however that we get the option of the 400d / 450 as well or even a PHEV version.
I think the reason that only one model is available here is because I believe MB thought it would canabolise sales of SUVs in their range; but i feel that if you want a wagon, you don't always want a high riding wagon such as a SUV.
I do hope however that we get the option of the 400d / 450 as well or even a PHEV version.
I think the reason that only one model is available here is because I believe MB thought it would canabolise sales of SUVs in their range; but i feel that if you want a wagon, you don't always want a high riding wagon such as a SUV.
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Yeah, I understand that. But due to state laws, many can't have the front side windows tinted, or at least not as much as they want the back done. I never felt I needed it, either, but I guess you get accustomed to seeing them done that way so much of the time.
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I had been curious about what percent the Wagon made up of MB sales, and never could find a wagon sales number. If 1100 per year, about what percent of Es and total MBs would that make? Is the 1100 worldwide, or in the US?
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RR, I have never seen the US wagon sales officially reported, but they have been consistently mentioned informally in the range I gave. If anything I may be a little light. I have been watching for 10 years. The wagon percentage in Germany is sky high, so high I am reluctant to repeat what I have heard. Good Car, Bad Car is a good source of numbers.
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Agreed. Here in the desert tint is not a option. I go with a legal 35% tint which is enough to accomplish the task, and still not make the vehicle look like a mafia staff car. You can put a clear film on the windshield that will reduce heat, but not visible light (which would not be legal). I like Huper Optik, which is semi-hard to find, but I think does the best job.
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More black plastic wheel arches.
On the new GLE, body color wheel arches are available with the AMG exterior styling package.
On the new GLE, body color wheel arches are available with the AMG exterior styling package.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/am...isguised-suvs/
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It's good that MB made air suspension standard for the All Terrain. Hopefully it's implemented with the ability to select a substantially higher ride height than the E series wagon, and for true (but limited) off road ability, has hill decent control - its not a G Wagon after all.
In the UK the A6 Allroad has air suspension and 'off road' drive programs, but in the US Audi has chosen not to make air suspension available, so over here all we get is a raised A6 wagon, with plastic bits, but not a true off road vehicle.
I think MB is taking a gamble of losing E class wagon purchasers by making the All Terrain the only option for a standard (non AMG) wagon, but because here in the US our choices are so limited, we wagon diehards have very few alternatives - thanks BMW
In the UK the A6 Allroad has air suspension and 'off road' drive programs, but in the US Audi has chosen not to make air suspension available, so over here all we get is a raised A6 wagon, with plastic bits, but not a true off road vehicle.
I think MB is taking a gamble of losing E class wagon purchasers by making the All Terrain the only option for a standard (non AMG) wagon, but because here in the US our choices are so limited, we wagon diehards have very few alternatives - thanks BMW
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That C&D article is absurd on its face. The official, published E Class sales for last year was 39,000. To think that 20% of those sales was wagons is absolutely nuts. Just look out your window.
The crowning piece of idiocy is the guess that the Audi All-Road will out sell the RS. Of course it will. I have a fish is the freezer who could figure that out.
The crowning piece of idiocy is the guess that the Audi All-Road will out sell the RS. Of course it will. I have a fish is the freezer who could figure that out.
Last edited by Hundens; Mar 3, 2020 at 11:25 PM.
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C&D estimates 8,000 E class wagons were sold in the US last year. In retrospect, this was was a prescient overview right before MB's move to All-Terrain only in the US:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/am...isguised-suvs/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/am...isguised-suvs/
