missing second sun visor MY21
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missing second sun visor MY21
My MY 21 E350 is missing the small second sun visor that my MY18 E300 had. I believe it was deleted starting with the MY20 E-Class. I'd love to install the 2nd sun visor even if I have to replace both sun visors. It appears that the clips that hold both sun visors are a one piece item. Thus I would not be able to buy just the smaller sun visor and it's associated clips.
Has anyone replaced the single E-Class MY19, 20 or 21 with the dual sun visors available as standard equipment on the 2017 & 2018 E-Class sedans.
Thanks
James
Has anyone replaced the single E-Class MY19, 20 or 21 with the dual sun visors available as standard equipment on the 2017 & 2018 E-Class sedans.
Thanks
James
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My MY 21 E350 is missing the small second sun visor that my MY18 E300 had. I believe it was deleted starting with the MY20 E-Class. I'd love to install the 2nd sun visor even if I have to replace both sun visors. It appears that the clips that hold both sun visors are a one piece item. Thus I would not be able to buy just the smaller sun visor and it's associated clips.
Has anyone replaced the single E-Class MY19, 20 or 21 with the dual sun visors available as standard equipment on the 2017 & 2018 E-Class sedans.
Thanks
James
Has anyone replaced the single E-Class MY19, 20 or 21 with the dual sun visors available as standard equipment on the 2017 & 2018 E-Class sedans.
Thanks
James
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A few. And yet looking back I'm surprised to see that the S213 is largely evolutionary, not revolutionary, and sometimes regressive. No four-zone temp control, no hill descent control, damn 213 rolls backwards on hills if foot's taken off the brake (yes, I know about the "hold" feature which is useful only if one is not in stop/go traffic, and not when backed up getting out of an underground garage for example; the 211 just didn't roll backward to begin with in the first place), being able to tilt the sunroof open and still have the vented roof cover closed for ventilation..... I could keep going... but it's late and it's been a long day.
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A few. And yet looking back I'm surprised to see that the S213 is largely evolutionary, not revolutionary, and sometimes regressive. No four-zone temp control, no hill descent control, damn 213 rolls backwards on hills if foot's taken off the brake (yes, I know about the "hold" feature which is useful only if one is not in stop/go traffic, and not when backed up getting out of an underground garage for example; the 211 just didn't roll backward to begin with in the first place), being able to tilt the sunroof open and still have the vented roof cover closed for ventilation..... I could keep going... but it's late and it's been a long day.
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sorry you've misunderstood the issue. Up thru the 2019 and maybe 2020 E-Class there were 2 sunvisors on both front seats. The idea was that if you moved the main sun visor - the one with the lighted mirror - to the side window if the sun moved to the front of the car you could lower the smaller visor that sits between the roof and the retracted main visor. No more need to juggle with the large sun visor to protect yourself from sun blindness if a change in direction moved the sun into your eyes.
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
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sorry you've misunderstood the issue. Up thru the 2019 and maybe 2020 E-Class there were 2 sunvisors on both front seats. The idea was that if you moved the main sun visor - the one with the lighted mirror - to the side window if the sun moved to the front of the car you could lower the smaller visor that sits between the roof and the retracted main visor. No more need to juggle with the large sun visor to protect yourself from sun blindness if a change in direction moved the sun into your eyes.
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
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When does cost cutting transition to customer cutting?. Remove the touch-of-elegance analog clock and leave a blank space? Eliminate the rarely used but exponentially valuable secondary visor? Head scratchers for sure.
If they want to save money leave off the stupid 4Matic emblem/logo on the rear trunk lid. You know if you bought an AWD car, and no one else cares.
If they want to save money leave off the stupid 4Matic emblem/logo on the rear trunk lid. You know if you bought an AWD car, and no one else cares.
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I went from a 2018 E4504W to what I though was the same car, but improved with a 2021 E450W4.
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
One sun visor
No clock
No Passenger seat controls on drivers door
No Soft close doors
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
No upper windshield dark strip - sun protection
Retrograded CarPlay integration - no longer full screen
No wireless CarPlay - mostly standard on all cars now
The overall experience is less in the new car than the old one. The new engine is slower, even with the EQ boost. Yes, on paper similar HP figures, but I tell you the straight 6 doesn't rev or run like the V6. The new leather steering wheel is huge, unnecessarily so.
The car is a bit more upright in posture, and quiet - but the overall driving experience is a bit less, I cannot really say why. The electronic integration from the dual screens, to the web interface is pretty much crap. Simply tuning radio stations takes many more clicks than before - the dance opening screen is useless. Voice integration is impossible to use effectively.
Looks like MB put all their development into the Nav system, which is nice, but we all use Waze anyway, so I never use the in car electronics. Its a total waste - use integrate the phone perfectly and give up internal electronic development!
It's a lease, and my third in a row. 200+ miles in it doesn't feel like an upgrade!
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
One sun visor
No clock
No Passenger seat controls on drivers door
No Soft close doors
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
No upper windshield dark strip - sun protection
Retrograded CarPlay integration - no longer full screen
No wireless CarPlay - mostly standard on all cars now
The overall experience is less in the new car than the old one. The new engine is slower, even with the EQ boost. Yes, on paper similar HP figures, but I tell you the straight 6 doesn't rev or run like the V6. The new leather steering wheel is huge, unnecessarily so.
The car is a bit more upright in posture, and quiet - but the overall driving experience is a bit less, I cannot really say why. The electronic integration from the dual screens, to the web interface is pretty much crap. Simply tuning radio stations takes many more clicks than before - the dance opening screen is useless. Voice integration is impossible to use effectively.
Looks like MB put all their development into the Nav system, which is nice, but we all use Waze anyway, so I never use the in car electronics. Its a total waste - use integrate the phone perfectly and give up internal electronic development!
It's a lease, and my third in a row. 200+ miles in it doesn't feel like an upgrade!
Last edited by Zanotti; Jan 7, 2021 at 09:00 AM.
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I have a loaner 2021 E350 with the standard sunroof. The sunshade does not have the slits at the front of the shade that allows for ventilation when tilted while keeping the shade closed. unsure if pre-facelift had this as I drive a coupe with pano.
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I went from a 2018 E4504W to what I though was the same car, but improved with a 2021 E450W4.
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
One sun visor
No clock
No Passenger seat controls on drivers door
No Soft close doors
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
No upper windshield dark strip - sun protection
Retrograded CarPlay integration - no longer full screen
No wireless CarPlay - mostly standard on all cars now
The overall experience is less in the new car than the old one. The new engine is slower, even with the EQ boost. Yes, on paper similar HP figures, but I tell you the straight 6 doesn't rev or run like the V6. The new leather steering wheel is huge, unnecessarily so.
The car is a bit more upright in posture, and quiet - but the overall driving experience is a bit less, I cannot really say why. The electronic integration from the dual screens, to the web interface is pretty much crap. Simply tuning radio stations takes many more clicks than before - the dance opening screen is useless. Voice integration is impossible to use effectively.
Looks like MB put all their development into the Nav system, which is nice, but we all use Waze anyway, so I never use the in car electronics. Its a total waste - use integrate the phone perfectly and give up internal electronic development!
It's a lease, and my third in a row. 200+ miles in it doesn't feel like an upgrade!
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
One sun visor
No clock
No Passenger seat controls on drivers door
No Soft close doors
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
No upper windshield dark strip - sun protection
Retrograded CarPlay integration - no longer full screen
No wireless CarPlay - mostly standard on all cars now
The overall experience is less in the new car than the old one. The new engine is slower, even with the EQ boost. Yes, on paper similar HP figures, but I tell you the straight 6 doesn't rev or run like the V6. The new leather steering wheel is huge, unnecessarily so.
The car is a bit more upright in posture, and quiet - but the overall driving experience is a bit less, I cannot really say why. The electronic integration from the dual screens, to the web interface is pretty much crap. Simply tuning radio stations takes many more clicks than before - the dance opening screen is useless. Voice integration is impossible to use effectively.
Looks like MB put all their development into the Nav system, which is nice, but we all use Waze anyway, so I never use the in car electronics. Its a total waste - use integrate the phone perfectly and give up internal electronic development!
It's a lease, and my third in a row. 200+ miles in it doesn't feel like an upgrade!
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Many commented (complained) that the slits allowed bright sunlight to get in your eyes. Damned if your do, damned if you don't.
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[QUOTE=Zanotti;8241739]I went from a 2018 E4504W to what I though was the same car, but improved with a 2021 E450W4.
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
/QUOTE]
Was this ever standard?
The de-contenting of the new car is shocking.
Small things:
No Lighted door sills (now an additional option)
/QUOTE]
Was this ever standard?
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MB has been cutting a lot of things mostly starting in MY 2020. They cut out using the side engine covers on the MY 2020 S class. They cut using the buttons to fold down the rear seat backs on the 2020 E class Wagons the ones right next to the seats via the rear doors. Now you gotta walk around the back of the car to fold down the seat back rests. All the other stuff mentioned above. Glad I've a got a 2019 Wagon and a 2018 S class which had the engine covers.
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Regarding the slits on the sunroof shade, I can confirm that they let sun into much and into my face and eyes if I sit in a certain upright position so I wouldn't miss them. As for the double sun visor, yes it is nice to have and a cool feature to show off, but it is not useful in real life. The second visor is way too narrow and usually doesn't do much to cover the sun for me. And at least in the US, lighted door sills were never standard, but a dealer installed accessory. Still though, the decontenting really does suck. I would really miss the passenger seat R control button.
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When I ordered my MY20 E450 wagon, I was told that ALL E-Class MB have the double visors. As you say, mine does not.
Another item that was deleted for MY20 was the seat back latches for the rear seats that were near the top of the seats (at least on the wagon). Now, the only way to unlatch the rear seat is from the cargo compartment levers. Not a big deal? This is what happened to me:
I had put the rear seats back up in preparation for dinner with friends. When we reached our friends house, in a POURING rain, my wife quickly got out and got in the back seat to sit with the friend's wife. After we were all in, she found she couldn't fasten her seat belt; the seat had grabbed it when moved upright. Of course, I told her to just release it with the lever, but it wasn't there. So I had to get out of the car, in the rain, ask her to stand out of the car, in the rain, open the rear hatch and release the seat back on her side, then she rearranged the belt and got back in, and everyone when back to their original positions. Having a release in the back is a good idea. NOT having one that can be reached from the back seat is STUPID!
Another item that was deleted for MY20 was the seat back latches for the rear seats that were near the top of the seats (at least on the wagon). Now, the only way to unlatch the rear seat is from the cargo compartment levers. Not a big deal? This is what happened to me:
I had put the rear seats back up in preparation for dinner with friends. When we reached our friends house, in a POURING rain, my wife quickly got out and got in the back seat to sit with the friend's wife. After we were all in, she found she couldn't fasten her seat belt; the seat had grabbed it when moved upright. Of course, I told her to just release it with the lever, but it wasn't there. So I had to get out of the car, in the rain, ask her to stand out of the car, in the rain, open the rear hatch and release the seat back on her side, then she rearranged the belt and got back in, and everyone when back to their original positions. Having a release in the back is a good idea. NOT having one that can be reached from the back seat is STUPID!
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We use the rear seat release buttons on the front of those seats all the time. The rear seat has a dog cover on it and the seat needs to be released so the cover can be fitted. Hard to believe MB would make you go around the back and open the hatch to release the rear seats. Even economy cars have manual releases so you can get to the cargo area from the back seat directly. Guess MY19 was the sweet spot.
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The extra sun visor is an option from the factory, so I guess MBUSA just don't like it.
The option here in Norway is PC-P09, sun protection package and also gives manual sun protection in the rear doors. Dual sun visors are also available as a stand alone option with option code SA-543 SA-543SA-543SA-543
Soft close doors are option SA-883 if I would like to order that option.
The option here in Norway is PC-P09, sun protection package and also gives manual sun protection in the rear doors. Dual sun visors are also available as a stand alone option with option code SA-543 SA-543SA-543SA-543
Soft close doors are option SA-883 if I would like to order that option.
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The 3 things that really gets me in the new face lift..
No rotary controller.. (God those touch pads are pain in the a$$)
No passenger control button.
No clock. (Once you've seen the preface lift with clock in the middle.. It just feels like something is missing)
Unbelievable.... We are not talking about some cheap car here. These cars are over 100K in Australia. Even the E200. Sad..
No rotary controller.. (God those touch pads are pain in the a$$)
No passenger control button.
No clock. (Once you've seen the preface lift with clock in the middle.. It just feels like something is missing)
Unbelievable.... We are not talking about some cheap car here. These cars are over 100K in Australia. Even the E200. Sad..
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It is a MB grace point. I have never heard of it in another marque. It really is a nice little feature mostly useful when someone is in the back seat and you want to move the front passenger seat to give the person in the rear more room. But its also useful for setting the heating and cooling controls for a person about to enter the car.
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