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I've been a loyal Mercedes-Benz customer since the 1960's. Here are two of the reasons I'm considering NOT purchasing another one:
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
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I hear you;
For instance, I don't understand why they took away the ability to send several addresses to the car to create a list.
when i just got the car i was able to plan a route at home and send all the waypoints & stops to the vehicle.
over the course of 4 years they only took away (software) features, never adding.
Still getting a new one next month though!
For instance, I don't understand why they took away the ability to send several addresses to the car to create a list.
when i just got the car i was able to plan a route at home and send all the waypoints & stops to the vehicle.
over the course of 4 years they only took away (software) features, never adding.
Still getting a new one next month though!
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I've been a loyal Mercedes-Benz customer since the 1960's. Here are two of the reasons I'm considering NOT purchasing another one:
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
Competition is a wonderful thing... The more that MB drops features, there are other brands more than willing to offer the options in their cars. For me, that would be the reason to leave MB for another brand.
I hate to say it, but It appears to me that Mercedes-Benz is more interesting in producing "entry-level" A and B series cars and SUVs where the bells and whistles are less expected. It might work in Amercia, where the domestic manufacturers have abandoned the unibody sedan marketplace. Then again it might not work
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You are fortunate to not need a spare. I've been stranded overnight 50 miles from the nearest service station near the Everglades. For me a spare tire is a must have along with spare fuel. That being said, I have a road car I use if I'm leaving the metro area. Back in the day metro traffic was only about 10% of what it is now. Back then I used to drive from South St. Petersburg to the Dunedin Municipal Marina in less than 20 minutes each day after work. That drive is now 90 minutes if there are no traffic issues. The point of the nav system is not providing a static route such as from a road atlas, but real time rerouting to avoid traffic issues. Using a cell phone in a vehicle that is not hands free is illegal in Florida. I leave mine in my pocket.
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You are fortunate to not need a spare. I've been stranded overnight 50 miles from the nearest service station near the Everglades. For me a spare tire is a must have along with spare fuel. That being said, I have a road car I use if I'm leaving the metro area. Back in the day metro traffic was only about 10% of what it is now. Back then I used to drive from South St. Petersburg to the Dunedin Municipal Marina in less than 20 minutes each day after work. That drive is now 90 minutes if there are no traffic issues. The point of the nav system is not providing a static route such as from a road atlas, but real time rerouting to avoid traffic issues. Using a cell phone in a vehicle that is not hands free is illegal in Florida. I leave mine in my pocket.
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I use the web browser to find businesses such as restaurants and services. The POI features in navigation are quite lacking. MB has eliminated traffic from the nav system and it no longer reroutes to avoid traffic issues. I travel on US 19 every day. The speed limit is 55 mph but the flow of traffic is closer to 20 mph except between 20:00 and 05:00 when the crazies are leaving the bars. Often it is faster to go an extra 5 miles to avoid US 19.
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I've been a loyal Mercedes-Benz customer since the 1960's. Here are two of the reasons I'm considering NOT purchasing another one:
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
As to Navigation: try WAZE which I always use: it is far superior to the Mercedes navigation system and has all the features you want.
Frankly I am surprised car manufacturers still offer navigation: Waze and Google maps are so superior. Reminds me of 30 years ago when car manufacturers charged several thousands of dollars to have cell phones installed in cars! Like installed cell phones, built in navigations systems are an overpriced relic of the past!
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I use the web browser to find businesses such as restaurants and services. The POI features in navigation are quite lacking. MB has eliminated traffic from the nav system and it no longer reroutes to avoid traffic issues. I travel on US 19 every day. The speed limit is 55 mph but the flow of traffic is closer to 20 mph except between 20:00 and 05:00 when the crazies are leaving the bars. Often it is faster to go an extra 5 miles to avoid US 19.
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I've been a loyal Mercedes-Benz customer since the 1960's. Here are two of the reasons I'm considering NOT purchasing another one:
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
A spare tire and tool kit is neither included nor is there a place for storage. I purchased the tire and tools but storage is still an issue on market days because the spare takes up a third of the trunk. After an RFT failure stranded me on the side of a 2 lane road for many hours waiting for a flat bed truck, I consider a spare tire an essential piece of safety equipment.
Capabilities and features that I used daily were part of my purchase were summarily dropped and/or disabled without notice such as web browser, traffic information and traffic cameras. These tools are essential for navigation in metro areas. I would not have purchased a W213 without them.
I know that our membership owns a wide variety of vehicles so I'm asking "Do other brands arbitrarily disable features or have similar failings?"
My '18 E300 warranty expires in August so I'm starting my research for a MY2022 replacement - probably a midsize SUV.
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Unfortunately I get a flat once or twice a year. That is an ongoing issue with city driving where many intersections are littered with debris from collisions.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
- The map display is too small.
- WAZE requires an account and login.
- I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
- WAZE is a Google product.
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Unfortunately I get a flat once or twice a year. That is an ongoing issue with city driving where many intersections are littered with debris from collisions.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
- The map display is too small.
- WAZE requires an account and login.
- I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
- WAZE is a Google product.
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I use the web browser to find businesses such as restaurants and services. The POI features in navigation are quite lacking. MB has eliminated traffic from the nav system and it no longer reroutes to avoid traffic issues. I travel on US 19 every day. The speed limit is 55 mph but the flow of traffic is closer to 20 mph except between 20:00 and 05:00 when the crazies are leaving the bars. Often it is faster to go an extra 5 miles to avoid US 19.
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I'd think about using waze if it's interface wasn't so cartoonish. Nothing says "rely on me" like something practically rendered using crayons and glitter.
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Unfortunately I get a flat once or twice a year. That is an ongoing issue with city driving where many intersections are littered with debris from collisions.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
As far as WAZE or other cell phone based navigation, I tried them and did not like them.
I stated my issues with WAZE on a 2019 post. They are:
It does not work with the HUD.
- The map display is too small.
- WAZE requires an account and login.
- I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
- WAZE is a Google product.
IF you use Apple Car Play the WAZE display takes up the entire screen and it is the same size if not bigger than the Mercedes Navigation.
Waze requires an account and login:
Yes. That is not a problem for me and millions of other WAZE users.
I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
That is not a problem for me. That is how WAZE gives you real time updates as to traffic conditions.
When millions of people are on WAZE you are a tree lost in a forest. You have complete anonymity.
WAZE is a Google product.
Is that bad????
I use Google Chrome and I believe 80% of people using the internet do as well.
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It is called De-Contenting.
All manufacturers do it.
First few years tend to have the most and then as they go thru to keep MSRP reasonable they start deleting stuff and/or making it unavailable anymore.
They remove simple things to complex things... what they try to do is delete things that do not cause them to change all the marketing material... and TV commercials..
All manufacturers do it.
First few years tend to have the most and then as they go thru to keep MSRP reasonable they start deleting stuff and/or making it unavailable anymore.
They remove simple things to complex things... what they try to do is delete things that do not cause them to change all the marketing material... and TV commercials..
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It is called De-Contenting.
All manufacturers do it.
First few years tend to have the most and then as they go thru to keep MSRP reasonable they start deleting stuff and/or making it unavailable anymore.
They remove simple things to complex things... what they try to do is delete things that do not cause them to change all the marketing material... and TV commercials..
All manufacturers do it.
First few years tend to have the most and then as they go thru to keep MSRP reasonable they start deleting stuff and/or making it unavailable anymore.
They remove simple things to complex things... what they try to do is delete things that do not cause them to change all the marketing material... and TV commercials..
I fully understand the concept of "de-contenting" but I do no think it apples in this instance.
My 2019 E450 listed out for just over $70,000. A 2021 E450 with the same exact features list out for less: this is because some of the features I paid extra for, full digital dashboard and certain safety features are now standard.
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Map Display:
IF you use Apple Car Play the WAZE display takes up the entire screen and it is the same size if not bigger than the Mercedes Navigation.
Waze requires an account and login:
Yes. That is not a problem for me and millions of other WAZE users.
I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
That is not a problem for me. That is how WAZE gives you real time updates as to traffic conditions.
When millions of people are on WAZE you are a tree lost in a forest. You have complete anonymity.
WAZE is a Google product.
Is that bad????
I use Google Chrome and I believe 80% of people using the internet do as well.
IF you use Apple Car Play the WAZE display takes up the entire screen and it is the same size if not bigger than the Mercedes Navigation.
Waze requires an account and login:
Yes. That is not a problem for me and millions of other WAZE users.
I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
That is not a problem for me. That is how WAZE gives you real time updates as to traffic conditions.
When millions of people are on WAZE you are a tree lost in a forest. You have complete anonymity.
WAZE is a Google product.
Is that bad????
I use Google Chrome and I believe 80% of people using the internet do as well.
I do not use any Google products - Chrome, Search or Google's Android. I compile my own Android version and use the RedPhone app for calls.
I do not provide personally identifiable information to others except on a need to know basis.
The reasons for the above exclusions revolve around personal privacy and security. Both Apple and Google have demonstrated their lack of concern about securing personal information and its use. They surreptitiously track everything one does on the internet then distributes that information to anyone who is willing to pay.
FYI a better search engine from a company that does not collect personal information nor does it retain a search history or track its users is DuckDuckGo. My browser is TOR.
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I have never used any Apple products nor do I wish to start.
I do not use any Google products - Chrome, Search or Google's Android. I compile my own Android version and use the RedPhone app for calls.
I do not provide personally identifiable information to others except on a need to know basis.
The reasons for the above exclusions revolve around personal privacy and security. Both Apple and Google have demonstrated their lack of concern about securing personal information and its use. They surreptitiously track everything one does on the internet then distributes that information to anyone who is willing to pay.
FYI a better search engine from a company that does not collect personal information nor does it retain a search history or track its users is DuckDuckGo. My browser is TOR.
I do not use any Google products - Chrome, Search or Google's Android. I compile my own Android version and use the RedPhone app for calls.
I do not provide personally identifiable information to others except on a need to know basis.
The reasons for the above exclusions revolve around personal privacy and security. Both Apple and Google have demonstrated their lack of concern about securing personal information and its use. They surreptitiously track everything one does on the internet then distributes that information to anyone who is willing to pay.
FYI a better search engine from a company that does not collect personal information nor does it retain a search history or track its users is DuckDuckGo. My browser is TOR.
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