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Old 01-06-2022, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
Almost the same ...but not.

I was all set to order a C63s Sedan in early 2019. I came across a 2018 E43 in the same color combo I wanted for the C, and all the options I would have gotten plus more. They were discounting it about $17k IIRC which made the cost about equal to the C, so I got he E43 instead.
While is is really a nice car - if I had a dime for every time Ive thought I should have gotten the V8...I'd have a lot of dimes. A.lot.of.dimes....Plus I just dont need a car this large, we dont have any kids.

Good for you! I wish I had a V8
That was my biggest concern :/. I knew that even if I had all the options I wanted, it would be missing the magic of a proper engine.
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That was my biggest concern :/. I knew that even if I had all the options I wanted, it would be missing the magic of a proper engine.
For me personally has to do with C-Class C 63 not having 4MATIC over a C 43. For you that isn't a concern since everything (E 53 and E 63) has 4MATIC plus you might not need 4MATIC in the first place.
I am looking forward to hearing your experience with the test drive, try to do a longer test drive and don't rush it to really see if you need or want the V8.
Good luck with your selection!
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I would take the V8. With the changes in automotive technology it is a pure statement of what an ICE car can be. The mild hybrid is a phase looking for a problem.
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...when you are using the engine, you have the weight of the battery and the motors but when you are using the electric mode, you have the weight of the internal combustion engine. A big compromise...
The W213 48V/'EQ Boost' should not be confused with a 'conventional' hybrid drivetrain. The starter/generator and relatively small 48V battery power the starter, water pump, AC, and power steering, as well as eliminating a turbo, to offer the same power as the V6 E450, more smoothness, more efficiency, and eliminating the accessory drives. And the system runs the supercharger in the E53. Plus they are in-line 6 engines. Overall, more of a "pure statement of what an ICE car can be", IMO.

Not at all the same as a 'conventional' hybrid with two, IMO redundant, powertrains.
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It is great I agree but when you are using the engine, you have the weight of the battery and the motors but when you are using the electric mode, you have the weight of the internal combustion engine. A big compromise but like what you said, still worth it.
it is especially nice in stop and go traffic, since I can creep along on battery only. Unlike an ICE , I get better gas mileage in stop and go traffic.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
The W213 48V/'EQ Boost' should not be confused with a 'conventional' hybrid drivetrain. The starter/generator and relatively small 48V battery power the starter, water pump, AC, and power steering, as well as eliminating a turbo, to offer the same power as the V6 E450, more smoothness, more efficiency, and eliminating the accessory drives. And the system runs the supercharger in the E53. Plus they are in-line 6 engines. Overall, more of a "pure statement of what an ICE car can be", IMO.

Not at all the same as a 'conventional' hybrid with two, IMO redundant, powertrains.
Yes I am aware that, I meant PHEV and I thought Elvisfan0108 also meant actual hybrids, I am aware of the differences of the M256 and the M276 you talked about.

Thanks for your comment though I am sure your information helps others who might not be aware, which is a great thing : )
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it is especially nice in stop and go traffic, since I can creep along on battery only. Unlike an ICE , I get better gas mileage in stop and go traffic.
Ah I see, yup I can see how it would save a lot indeed in those situations, which is a nice benefit. Plus if you care about the environment pure electric in stop and go traffic reduces emissions too.

The mild hybrid's motor by itself on the facelift E 450 can't propel the vehicle so such benefit doesn't exist in stop and go traffic if the internal combustion engine is stopped and then started (the emissions reduction part), smoother start is still a benefit though.
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it is especially nice in stop and go traffic, since I can creep along on battery only. Unlike an ICE , I get better gas mileage in stop and go traffic.
Very nice, however this is an AMG discussion. I doubt mileage is important if OP is considering a 63.
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Very nice, however this is an AMG discussion. I doubt mileage is important if OP is considering a 63.
Fair enough and I am sorry that I got off topic.
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