La0laEsMia

There's been multiple reports of the E450 edit: all terrain being continued on for the 2024 MY, but I just asked my dealer about an Order Guide and they said it isn't coming to the US for 2024 (and proceeded to steer me towards a 2023 MY which I'm not interested in due to no premium audio option).

Can anyone confirm or deny if the E450 All Terrain Wagon will be coming to the US for 2024?

The G Man

I have heard rumors of the new all terrain E wagon coming to the US but not the regular wagon.

La0laEsMia

I actually thought the all terrain was the 450?

The G Man

E450 is an E class with a turbo 6 engine, E350 is the 4 cylinder. They both come in different configuration, sedan, wagon, all terrain, cabriolet or coupe.

js_cls

The E-Class is confirmed to have both a 350 and 450 Sedan at the moment for MY24. An E-Class All-Terrain (aka wagon body style) is not confirmed technically, however it was submitted into the EPA.

Alan Smithee

2024 (W214) wagon has not even been unveiled to the European market yet. Won’t see a US order guide for a while.

OP - Have you heard the Burmester (part of the premium package) in the 2023 (W213)? It sounds excellent…

La0laEsMia

Roger that, thank you. I haven't heard it myself, but coming from the bowers and wilkins system in my volvo, which is more than twice as powerful as the burmester surround in the 23' e class, I'm afraid it will only be a downgrade from what I currently have.

That's why the 24 MY is of interest to me, according to the burmester website, the e series will have a "high end" 3D surround option, (currently available in the 23 AMG E class but not All Terrain). I am wondering/hoping it will be an option in the 24 E Series All Terrain.

Alan Smithee

The 3D system was not available on any of the W213 wagons.

The G Man

The Volvo upgrade system is one of the best I have heard, better than the Mark Levinson in the Lexus LX. The Burmester in the Mercedes is okay, unfortunately , its a level or two below the Volvo system.

JTK44

Keep in mind the Mercedes is much quieter than the Volvo, so the sound system to sound just as good, does not have to be as good.

For my ear, I find the Burmiester system in my E450 excellent. I have no complaints!

Johnny Sims

I previously had a 2022 Audi Q5 Sportback with a Bang & Olufsen 3D system, which was really nice and I could actually feel the air moving at my feet (woofer). That being said, here's where I place that system based on the recent vehicles I've had or still have:

1) 2023 E450 (Burmester)
2) 2022 Audi Q5 Sportback (Bang & Olufsen)
3) 2023 AMG C 43 (Burmester)
4) 2022 Mercedes GLC 300 (Stock Mercedes)

What's odd, is I assumed the 2023 AMG C43 had the same Burmester system, but it certainly doesn't. Bass was much weaker and overall sound less "full" at the same EQ parameters. I haven't done much research, but it would seem the Burmester system in the C-class is lesser than the Burmester system in the E-class.

JTK44

The C and GLC are economy cars.

The E class is a luxury car.

I would always expect the sound system in a luxury car to be substantially better than in an economy car.

Just my $.02

taphil

I hear same thing on my GLC vs E.

On the Burmester website, both have 13 speakers and 590 watts. But the E sounds much better.

W205C43PFL

I see... Then what are A and GLA to you?

ua549

Teensy tiny economy cars using MB standards though they are superior to cheap economy cars such as EU, Japanese and Korean econo boxes.

JTK44

Eco boxes!

W205C43PFL

Which cars were you referring to?

JTK44

I am not so sure: I recently had a C class as a loaner. Costs thousands more than than a Honda Accord. At the same price I would take the Accord over the C class.

Keith66

I've had a similar experience with the sound systems. I went from a W205 (C300) to a W213 (E43), both having the Burmester system and the W213 sounds noticeably better.

If (if) they are both equally spec'ed, maybe the interior space volume or layout has a positive effect. (?)

Roweraay

Eco boxes based on a front-wheel-drive architecture. A segment MB had to enter, to get the volumes to sustain the rest of the premium lineup. Similar to the BMW X1 etc, which are also Eco boxes based on a FWD architecture.

W205C43PFL

I see.

ua549

The Accord and C are both mid-size cars. I've driven both and the C seems to be much more solid to me. That being said, I was referring to compact and sub-compact vehicles such as Mercedes A & B classes versus (Asian) Civic, Corolla, Elantra, Forte, Mazda 3, Prius and (EU) Fiat 500, VW Golf.

JTK44

Just my opinion: Mercedes and other German manufacturers cannot compete directly with the Koreans in building cheap cars. The Koreans beat them hands down. For example, not only do the Koreans beat them on price, but also on lane departure, adaptive cruise control, etc. which are thousand dollar options on German cars and are standard on Asian manufactured cars.

In Europe it is different: There is little Asian competition.

JTK44

My experience with the Accord vs. the C Class is the opposite.

No harm if we disagree!

The G Man

Years ago, Japanese and German cars were very different. German cars were better built, better material, less noise/vibration and performs better. Todays Asian cars are much better and complete well with the Germans. The C class should be better a comparison to the Acura TLX as oppose to the Honda Accord. With that said, the C class is a nicer car than the TLX. Mercedes still sets the benchmark for many Asian car manufacturers.