joelc73

I had a 2014 E450 wagon that I always regretted selling. I’ve since had a GLS and an E300 sedan. I have a 911 now but need more of a daily driver.

Found a great deal on a low miles, 2020, CPO E450 wagon with the options I’d want — including leather which has proven to be harder to find.

Getting it shipped this week. Should have it by the weekend. Very excited.

E430_4MATIC

Welcome and congrats! I too had a W212 wagon which we loved! Due to its tragic demise, we bought a new W213 E450 all-terrain wagon. I'm a lifelong MB driver and never considered anything else.

Lucky you to find one which ticked all your boxes. They are hard to find plus you have the security of a CPO warranty!

What year is yours? Color? Options?

joelc73

Thanks! It’s a 2020 in OB Black with Macchiato leather.

Has 19 dual spoke AMG’s, AMG int/ext, Lighting, Parking, Pano, Multi contour, etc. It’s nicely equipped.

E430_4MATIC

A favorite color combination too!

Model year 2020 was the last of the true E-Class wagons before MBUSA decided on the All-Terrain nonsense for all.

joelc73

it’s so funny that you say that. That’s a big part of why I wanted a 2020. I don’t love the Subaru inspired look of the all-terrain.

Keith66

Congratulations and welcome back! Nice choice.

I really, REALLY miss my Macchiato/beige/cream interior of my last MB. I couldn't find the same on my new one... can't win them all.

Enjoy brother!

2012 merc amg

Yes last of the true classic wagons. Plus no hybrid stuff to worry about. I'm perfectly happy with my non hybrid 2019 e450 and I don't think the hybrids are anymore faster maybe a little bit better fuel economy but I'd take the less fuel economy for less complexity.

joelc73

Interesting… I didn’t even realize the post 2020’s were hybrid. Now I’m even happier with the one I’m getting!

Keith66

Agreed! Hybrids are heavier too (some not a lot, but still).

2012 merc amg

They’re real problems with the 48 volt batteries too on the 2021s and some 2022s. I guess though most of the bugs are ironed out at this point. The newer inline 6 motors starting on the 2021s is a little bit smoother although the older v6 motors are one of the most reliable power plants Benz has ever produced. You should be able to go well over 200k miles on your 2020 if properly maintained.

Roweraay

It is a “mild hybrid” and not the typical hybrid. The electric side provides torque fill, while the turbo is spooling up, leading to a fat, broad torque band, right from idle….and the shift to an Inline-6 cyl engine in the 2021+ E-class, was a plus in my mind. The electric side of the “mild hybrid” also eliminates a number of belts and other wear-and-tear components, side-stepping multiple future potential failure points. When idling at the traffic light, it’s the electric side that runs the A/C etc. I think this kind of mild hybrid is the future of ICE.

Some of the early build 2021 models (built during the Covid era with supply chain disruptions) had defects, but the ones built subsequently, in the later 2021 model year onwards, are sublime. Point to note is that the 48V mild-hybrids were being equipped into the S-class in much earlier years, but came to the E-class in 2021 and are now also present in all of the GLCs.

JTK44

I have driven a 2021 GLE 450 with the mild hybrid and it did everything you wrote about. Extremely smooth.

You are also correct that the early models had problems with the batteries, many of which had to be replaced.

Where I disagree is when you say this is the future of the ICE: actually this will be the last ICE that Mercedes will be producing. No further ICE are planned. Going forward Mercedes will be EV

MNBobber

IMO the E450 mild hybrid feels much faster n real world driving. Abs the specs show 0-60 mph in 4.4 seconds. So it is deceptively quick. The immediate short term electric boost fills in the slight turbo lag ….and then some😀

And the mpg of it truly amaze me. 😳
I got 36.9 mpg on a 200 mile highway trip .

And I would say it is less complex when you look at all the belts and sprockets that went away.
Does the 2019 have 2 turbos vs 1 ??

Smooooth as silk too.
I love I-6

ddeliber

I hear you and yes that is what Mercedes has said about ICE vs EV BUT tbh, they sort of have to say that regardless of what they want to do or will continue to do.

IMO this won't happen. EV issues will get worked out and the current set of problems with the vehicles themselves will eventually get fixed. However, I am not convinced that any govt mandates about EV production will ever be enforced - they will move the dates out slowly but surely to the point that manufacturers will continue to release updated engines and new ICEs. The market is starting to come around and most of the "EV fans" already have satisficed their curiosity. The new market's taste for EV's has soured a bit (at least for now). Combine that with the lack of infrastructure (or a plan to change the current infrastructure) to support adequate charging and my gut says ICE are not going anywhere soon.

JTK44

My point is that the life cycle of a new Mercedes engine is 7 to 10 years. Using the smaller, that puts us into 2031.

All OEM have to decide where to invest their money: I do not see any OEM putting R&D money for new ICE's to come on the market for 2030 and beyond. For third world countries and the Middle East where electricity is not readily available, one can make the argument for the continued production of existing ICE vehicles. (I was in Russia in the late 1990's and saw 20 year old Yugo's being driven) For Europe, China, Australia. the US and Canada, in my opinion NO. In 7 years sales of new cars will be 90% to 100% EV.

Just look at the continued damage to the world's climate that ICE contribute to: 20 consecutive days above 110 in Phoenix, two 1000 year storms in the past 8 years in New England and catastrophic flooding. Forest fires in Canada. Extreme heat throughout Europe. Ocean temps of 90 degrees and above in Florida. Tornados throughout the SE of the US and even as far north as Chicago. Insurance companies refusing to write insurance along gulf coast states and California.

ICE's days are behind us:

joelc73

Sorry guys… I was excited about my wagon but it launched a climate change and the future of hybrid tech!

I’ll post pics once it’s here this weekend.

beechcamp

It's 62° in Liverpool today and that's nice for The Open.

TennesseeZ4

joelc73, welcome back to the long roof addiction! We are on our third E class wagon, and have enjoyed every mile and every smile! Post photos when you get it on the road!

joelc73

Thanks! Will do.