Back in the club: E450 Wagon
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Back in the club: E450 Wagon
I had a 2014 E450 wagon that I always regretted selling. I’ve since had a GLS and an E300 sedan. I have a 911 now but need more of a daily driver.
Found a great deal on a low miles, 2020, CPO E450 wagon with the options I’d want — including leather which has proven to be harder to find.
Getting it shipped this week. Should have it by the weekend. Very excited.
Found a great deal on a low miles, 2020, CPO E450 wagon with the options I’d want — including leather which has proven to be harder to find.
Getting it shipped this week. Should have it by the weekend. Very excited.
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Welcome and congrats! I too had a W212 wagon which we loved! Due to its tragic demise, we bought a new W213 E450 all-terrain wagon. I'm a lifelong MB driver and never considered anything else.
Lucky you to find one which ticked all your boxes. They are hard to find plus you have the security of a CPO warranty!
What year is yours? Color? Options?
Lucky you to find one which ticked all your boxes. They are hard to find plus you have the security of a CPO warranty!
What year is yours? Color? Options?
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Welcome and congrats! I too had a W212 wagon which we loved! Due to its tragic demise, we bought a new W213 E450 all-terrain wagon. I'm a lifelong MB driver and never considered anything else.
Lucky you to find one which ticked all your boxes. They are hard to find plus you have the security of a CPO warranty!
What year is yours? Color? Options?
Lucky you to find one which ticked all your boxes. They are hard to find plus you have the security of a CPO warranty!
What year is yours? Color? Options?
Has 19 dual spoke AMG’s, AMG int/ext, Lighting, Parking, Pano, Multi contour, etc. It’s nicely equipped.
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Model year 2020 was the last of the true E-Class wagons before MBUSA decided on the All-Terrain nonsense for all.
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it’s so funny that you say that. That’s a big part of why I wanted a 2020. I don’t love the Subaru inspired look of the all-terrain.
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I really, REALLY miss my Macchiato/beige/cream interior of my last MB. I couldn't find the same on my new one... can't win them all.
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Yes last of the true classic wagons. Plus no hybrid stuff to worry about. I'm perfectly happy with my non hybrid 2019 e450 and I don't think the hybrids are anymore faster maybe a little bit better fuel economy but I'd take the less fuel economy for less complexity.
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Yes last of the true classic wagons. Plus no hybrid stuff to worry about. I'm perfectly happy with my non hybrid 2019 e450 and I don't think the hybrids are anymore faster maybe a little bit better fuel economy but I'd take the less fuel economy for less complexity.
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They’re real problems with the 48 volt batteries too on the 2021s and some 2022s. I guess though most of the bugs are ironed out at this point. The newer inline 6 motors starting on the 2021s is a little bit smoother although the older v6 motors are one of the most reliable power plants Benz has ever produced. You should be able to go well over 200k miles on your 2020 if properly maintained.
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Some of the early build 2021 models (built during the Covid era with supply chain disruptions) had defects, but the ones built subsequently, in the later 2021 model year onwards, are sublime. Point to note is that the 48V mild-hybrids were being equipped into the S-class in much earlier years, but came to the E-class in 2021 and are now also present in all of the GLCs.
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It is a “mild hybrid” and not the typical hybrid. The electric side provides torque fill, while the turbo is spooling up, leading to a fat, broad torque band, right from idle….and the shift to an Inline-6 cyl engine in the 2021+ E-class, was a plus in my mind. The electric side of the “mild hybrid” also eliminates a number of belts and other wear-and-tear components, side-stepping multiple future potential failure points. When idling at the traffic light, it’s the electric side that runs the A/C etc. I think this kind of mild hybrid is the future of ICE.
Some of the early build 2021 models (built during the Covid era with supply chain disruptions) had defects, but the ones built subsequently, in the later 2021 model year onwards, are sublime. Point to note is that the 48V mild-hybrids were being equipped into the S-class in much earlier years, but came to the E-class in 2021 and are now also present in all of the GLCs.
Some of the early build 2021 models (built during the Covid era with supply chain disruptions) had defects, but the ones built subsequently, in the later 2021 model year onwards, are sublime. Point to note is that the 48V mild-hybrids were being equipped into the S-class in much earlier years, but came to the E-class in 2021 and are now also present in all of the GLCs.
You are also correct that the early models had problems with the batteries, many of which had to be replaced.
Where I disagree is when you say this is the future of the ICE: actually this will be the last ICE that Mercedes will be producing. No further ICE are planned. Going forward Mercedes will be EV
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Yes last of the true classic wagons. Plus no hybrid stuff to worry about. I'm perfectly happy with my non hybrid 2019 e450 and I don't think the hybrids are anymore faster maybe a little bit better fuel economy but I'd take the less fuel economy for less complexity.
And the mpg of it truly amaze me. 😳
I got 36.9 mpg on a 200 mile highway trip .
And I would say it is less complex when you look at all the belts and sprockets that went away.
Does the 2019 have 2 turbos vs 1 ??
Smooooth as silk too.
I love I-6
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I have driven a 2021 GLE 450 with the mild hybrid and it did everything you wrote about. Extremely smooth.
You are also correct that the early models had problems with the batteries, many of which had to be replaced.
Where I disagree is when you say this is the future of the ICE: actually this will be the last ICE that Mercedes will be producing. No further ICE are planned. Going forward Mercedes will be EV
You are also correct that the early models had problems with the batteries, many of which had to be replaced.
Where I disagree is when you say this is the future of the ICE: actually this will be the last ICE that Mercedes will be producing. No further ICE are planned. Going forward Mercedes will be EV
IMO this won't happen. EV issues will get worked out and the current set of problems with the vehicles themselves will eventually get fixed. However, I am not convinced that any govt mandates about EV production will ever be enforced - they will move the dates out slowly but surely to the point that manufacturers will continue to release updated engines and new ICEs. The market is starting to come around and most of the "EV fans" already have satisficed their curiosity. The new market's taste for EV's has soured a bit (at least for now). Combine that with the lack of infrastructure (or a plan to change the current infrastructure) to support adequate charging and my gut says ICE are not going anywhere soon.
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I hear you and yes that is what Mercedes has said about ICE vs EV BUT tbh, they sort of have to say that regardless of what they want to do or will continue to do.
IMO this won't happen. EV issues will get worked out and the current set of problems with the vehicles themselves will eventually get fixed. However, I am not convinced that any govt mandates about EV production will ever be enforced - they will move the dates out slowly but surely to the point that manufacturers will continue to release updated engines and new ICEs. The market is starting to come around and most of the "EV fans" already have satisficed their curiosity. The new market's taste for EV's has soured a bit (at least for now). Combine that with the lack of infrastructure (or a plan to change the current infrastructure) to support adequate charging and my gut says ICE are not going anywhere soon.
IMO this won't happen. EV issues will get worked out and the current set of problems with the vehicles themselves will eventually get fixed. However, I am not convinced that any govt mandates about EV production will ever be enforced - they will move the dates out slowly but surely to the point that manufacturers will continue to release updated engines and new ICEs. The market is starting to come around and most of the "EV fans" already have satisficed their curiosity. The new market's taste for EV's has soured a bit (at least for now). Combine that with the lack of infrastructure (or a plan to change the current infrastructure) to support adequate charging and my gut says ICE are not going anywhere soon.
All OEM have to decide where to invest their money: I do not see any OEM putting R&D money for new ICE's to come on the market for 2030 and beyond. For third world countries and the Middle East where electricity is not readily available, one can make the argument for the continued production of existing ICE vehicles. (I was in Russia in the late 1990's and saw 20 year old Yugo's being driven) For Europe, China, Australia. the US and Canada, in my opinion NO. In 7 years sales of new cars will be 90% to 100% EV.
Just look at the continued damage to the world's climate that ICE contribute to: 20 consecutive days above 110 in Phoenix, two 1000 year storms in the past 8 years in New England and catastrophic flooding. Forest fires in Canada. Extreme heat throughout Europe. Ocean temps of 90 degrees and above in Florida. Tornados throughout the SE of the US and even as far north as Chicago. Insurance companies refusing to write insurance along gulf coast states and California.
ICE's days are behind us:
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joelc73, welcome back to the long roof addiction! We are on our third E class wagon, and have enjoyed every mile and every smile! Post photos when you get it on the road!
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joelc73, welcome back to the long roof addiction! We are on our third E class wagon, and have enjoyed every mile and every smile! Post photos when you get it on the road!
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Not sure what lead me back to this thread after more than a year, but I am here so I figured I would provide an update.
Mercedes has in fact been putting in new R&D money into ICE's as shown by the announcement of the new CLA (https://mercedesblog.com/mercedes-cl...he-first-time/). It is starting out as a an EV but in 2026 it will also be available with an all new Mild hybrid 4 cyl ICE (M252). This engine is designed by Mercedes and will be built in China and it looks like it will replace the current generation 2.0L engines.
The reports of Mercedes' ICE death are greatly exaggerated
Mercedes has in fact been putting in new R&D money into ICE's as shown by the announcement of the new CLA (https://mercedesblog.com/mercedes-cl...he-first-time/). It is starting out as a an EV but in 2026 it will also be available with an all new Mild hybrid 4 cyl ICE (M252). This engine is designed by Mercedes and will be built in China and it looks like it will replace the current generation 2.0L engines.
The reports of Mercedes' ICE death are greatly exaggerated
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My wife's car is a classic 2018 wagon that is now 6-1/2 years old with 37k miles. Before this, she had a W211 wagon. Since the "classic" wagons are no longer made, and with the low mileage, we're likely to keep this one for a very long time. Add to that, the fact that the car (knock on wood) has been very problem-free -- only hed to take it in once for a repair. This is in contrast to the W211 wagon which had numerous repairs that were covered by MB warranty and Geico mechanical breakdown insurance.
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My wife's car is a classic 2018 wagon that is now 6-1/2 years old with 37k miles. Before this, she had a W211 wagon. Since the "classic" wagons are no longer made, and with the low mileage, we're likely to keep this one for a very long time. Add to that, the fact that the car (knock on wood) has been very problem-free -- only hed to take it in once for a repair. This is in contrast to the W211 wagon which had numerous repairs that were covered by MB warranty and Geico mechanical breakdown insurance.
Having said the above, in my opinion, the All-Terrain just adds a couple of inches of much needed ground clearance (takes it to 6.2 inches, which is still WAY below that of any cross-over out in the market) to the "classic wagon". Unfortunately, it also has the totally un-needed black claddings (in Europe, my understanding is that they offer an option to make the claddings of the All-Terrain, body-colored, which would be my personal preference).
My All-Terrain has been spot-lessly trouble-free in well over 2 years of ownership, and reliability-wise is exactly the same as my completely trouble-free 2019 Honda Fit with a Stick-shift transmission. I plan to keep it for the next 10 years.
