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@Massimo Here you are not helping. Your response only reignites the fire. Please just ignore him. You are playing into his hands. It's the bigger man that stops the bickering.
I think he's just a ideologue. He seems to have it in his personality. I can't imagine any thread going okay when he has to be right on subjects he has no idea about. It's one thing to be ignorant about one thing, but to be ignorant about everything is just plain stupid.
I am all for a good conversation on these threads and i've never had an issue with anyone on MBWorld ever, for years.
Last edited by Rock; 09-28-2024 at 10:25 AM.
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@Massimo Here you are not helping. Your response only reignites the fire. Please just ignore him. You are playing into his hands. It's the bigger man that stops the bickering.
<== trying to figure out what the engine (regardless of M257 or M177 or X) has to do with turbo except for the oil supply...
Btw one thing about turbos
Ball bearing turbos will outlast a bushing turbo by a wide margin. Unfortunately like most OEM, MB does not release the turbo specs (AR sizing, redline rpms, cfm etc).
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by figuwx
<== trying to figure out what the engine (regardless of M257 or M177 or X) has to do with turbo except for the oil supply...
Btw one thing about turbos
Ball bearing turbos will outlast a bushing turbo by a wide margin. Unfortunately like most OEM, MB does not release the turbo specs (AR sizing, redline rpms, cfm etc).
Since the turbos are integrated with the exhaust manifolds, there's not much choice over factory turbos. Weistec Engineering does offer a modification of the existing housing and installs a compressor wheel for the M276 3.0 biturbo engine, claiming to add up to 212 hp. Not sure what other mods are required, but not something I'd do.
First the M274 engine that is mounted in the C and E class cars were made in Germany. The A and CLA and GLA front wheel drive engines (M270) were made in the USA by Nissan in Tennessee. The engine was designed by Renault. Mercedes got caught with their pants down. They had planned on shifting to all electric and when it became obvious that customers weren’t ready for it they needed a new fuel efficient low emission engine. Rather than spend millions and years on developing a new engine class they used a Renault design. The wrist pin issue was a supplier issue not design.
Gasoline in Europe (well Western Europe) is actually of higher quality that the USA. It’s deceptive because they use a different system that we do in North America. Their 5 star petrol is actually 96-98 octane.
Last edited by DeutscheBenz726; 09-28-2024 at 10:10 AM.
First the M274 engine that is mounted in the C and E class cars were made in Germany. The A and CLA and GLA front wheel drive engines (M270) were made in the USA by Nissan in Tennessee. The engine was designed by Renault. Mercedes got caught with their pants down. They had planned on shifting to all electric and when it became obvious that customers weren’t ready for it they needed a new fuel efficient low emission engine. Rather than spend millions and years on developing a new engine class they used a Renault design. The wrist on issue was a supplier issue not design.
Gasoline in Europe (well Western Europe) is actually of higher quality that the USA. It’s deceptive because they use a different system that we do in North America. Their 5 star petrol is actually 96-98 octane.
Right!!!
That's a shame, I have owned a few Z Nissan cars 280, 300, 350, - they where great engines that never gave me big problems!
I got my 2017 E300 from Stuttgart and bought it back to the USA, luckily my M274 engine 2.0 parts did not come from Nissan.
Stuttgart Mercedes told me my engine parts were built complete from A to Z in Berlin. I later googled that- in fact there is a plant in Berlin that does make engine parts for Mercedes- and there not the only European plant that makes engines for Mercedes.
According to Mercedes USA and my local dealership- upon calling then and giving them my info, my E300 was not affected my the bad wrist pins, thank God!
It looks like most of the piston failure engines came out of California, lots of C class's and GLC's.
I have friends/family in Germany that have the M274 2.0 gas engine 2017-2020 E class, there not seeing this issue.
Last edited by Massimo Here; 09-28-2024 at 10:50 AM.
First the M274 engine that is mounted in the C and E class cars were made in Germany. The A and CLA and GLA front wheel drive engines (M270) were made in the USA by Nissan in Tennessee. The engine was designed by Renault. Mercedes got caught with their pants down. They had planned on shifting to all electric and when it became obvious that customers weren’t ready for it they needed a new fuel efficient low emission engine. Rather than spend millions and years on developing a new engine class they used a Renault design. The wrist pin issue was a supplier issue not design.
Gasoline in Europe (well Western Europe) is actually of higher quality that the USA. It’s deceptive because they use a different system that we do in North America. Their 5 star petrol is actually 96-98 octane.
please take this VIN, do the datacard, and tell me this car was assembled in Germany, and the engine as well
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by figuwx
Ball bearing turbos will outlast a bushing turbo by a wide margin. Unfortunately like most OEM, MB does not release the turbo specs (AR sizing, redline rpms, cfm etc).
This guy disagrees. But I'm not saying he's right, just that he disagrees.
That's a shame, I have owned a few Z Nissan cars 280, 300, 350, - they where great engines that never gave me big problems!
I got my 2017 E300 from Stuttgart and bought it back to the USA, luckily my M274 engine 2.0 parts did not come from Nissan.
Stuttgart Mercedes told me my engine parts were built complete from A to Z in Berlin. I later googled that- in fact there is a plant in Berlin that does make engine parts for Mercedes- and there not the only European plant that makes engines for Mercedes.
According to Mercedes USA and my local dealership- upon calling then and giving them my info, my E300 was not affected my the bad wrist pins, thank God!
It looks like most of the piston failure engines came out of California, lots of C class's and GLC's.
I have friends/family in Germany that have the M274 2.0 gas engine 2017-2020 E class, there not seeing this issue.
sorry, I forgot that the C is made in Alabama so it would have a Nissan produced engine. Cars and SUVs made in Europe have the M274 engine that is made in Germany
And my engine numbers are not the same, mine starts with- 274 920 ...and the rest are all different and not listed! :-)
I tried to tell this person many times - the affected gas engine was # 274 920 30 406602, confirmed by Stuttgart-Mercedes, Mercedes USA and my local dealership!
It was a small percentage maybe 2% of the millions made of the (M274)!
...and even though Mercedes caught on and the Nissan plant that made the bad wrist pins was shut down, I do think a recall from Mercedes should have been made!
I tried to tell this person many times - the affected gas engine was # 274 920 30 406602, confirmed by Stuttgart-Mercedes, Mercedes USA and my local dealership!
It was a small percentage maybe 2% of the millions made of the (M274)!
...and even though Mercedes caught on and the Nissan plant that made the bad wrist pins was shut down, I do think a recall from Mercedes should have been made!
Not sure how you read these TSBs, it is NOT a single engine (since you use WAS), but thousands of them. The sentence says engines up to E0 04xxyyy. If the number is continuous from 000 001, that is a LOT of engines
Not sure how you read these TSBs, it is NOT a single engine (since you use WAS), but thousands of them. The sentence says engines up to E0 04xxyyy. If the number is continuous from 000 001, that is a LOT of engines
Yes I know, I'm not on the list of engines that came from Nissan, been confirmed by Mercedes, they know.
...Still a small number affected compared to the Millions of M274 made, majority of the cases came from the USA.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by Massimo Here
Yes I know, I'm not on the list of engines that came from Nissan, been confirmed by Mercedes, they know.
...Still a small number affected compared to the Millions of M274 made, majority of the cases came from the USA.
How many were really made from 2012 to early 2015? Not sure if it is millions. And if as @juanmor40 stated, the numbering started with 000001, 449,861 engines are a LOT, probably all of the M274 engines produced during the period of 2012 (introduction) to early 2015 (TSB notification). (449,861=406,602+43,259)
How many were really made from 2012 to early 2015? Not sure if it is millions. And if as @juanmor40 stated, the numbering started with 000001, 449,861 engines are a LOT, probably all of the M274 engines produced during the period of 2012 (introduction) to early 2015 (TSB notification). (449,861=406,602+43,259)
Lots and lots lol
I read that Mercedes USA is taking some responsibility on the bad wrist pins!
Seems most of the cases - if caught before total engine failure- those where being rebuilt under the Class action suit against Mercedes.
I tell everyone in the USA to have your M274 checked out by your local Mercedes-Benz dealership.
Getting it on paper will do you justice either way!
**If they say your not affected then you now have that on paper and if they say you have the bad wrist pins installed- you have that documented as well and can now proceed to your options with Mercedes, which looks like it's based case by case :-)
Last edited by Massimo Here; 10-01-2024 at 02:56 PM.
I tried to tell this person many times - the affected gas engine was # 274 920 30 406602, confirmed by Stuttgart-Mercedes, Mercedes USA and my local dealership!
It was a small percentage maybe 2% of the millions made of the (M274)!
...and even though Mercedes caught on and the Nissan plant that made the bad wrist pins was shut down, I do think a recall from Mercedes should have been made!
Dude why are you still commenting and talking to your self LOL. I've dropped the thread.
That NHTSA bulletin you read was made at the beginning when people first started to realize the C Class and GLC class Mercedes were having engine failures. That does not account for all of the cars AFTER the bulletin came out. You can literally find threads by other users all the way to 2019 with piston failures. All you have to do is use Google:
All with relatively low miles. One of the engine failures was at 45,000 miles. Not sure what still isn't clicking inside of your puny little brain. Imagine all the people with engine failures who aren't part of MB World or BenzWorld or any other forums to share their story. I'm willing to bet that we'll still continue to see engine failures with more M274's because people drive their cars relatively less than others, and once they reach that certain milage and their engine does explode, they'll probably share their experience too.
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- the affected gas engine was # 274 920 30 406602, confirmed by Stuttgart-Mercedes, Mercedes USA and my local dealership!
