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Old Jul 5, 2025 | 11:12 PM
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 06:56 AM
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Holy hell - I never looked at your car list until #227. You're the dead weight in this entire post. I can speak from an ownership perspective of ICE, PHEV and EV. I can never go back to just ICE. EV makes for one helluva a daily, and home Level 2 charging is the equivalent of topping up your tank every night - if you so choose. Combine the two for a PHEV and it's brilliant tech and how it's packaged in the 53 is amazing. What's nice about the e-class range - is that it has always provided a nice range of offerings. When the 53 wagon hits the US - the W214 range might be the best ever offering of e-class models. Whatever you choose - you're getting a great car.

Good for you. But I'm amazed at the number of people who salivate over the power of the E53 and ignore the handling hit of the extra weight. I remember reading several review of the 2019 series SL, which could be had as a 43, 53 or 63, the higher numbers adding hp but also weight. The common comment was the added weight of the bigger engines threw the balance of the vehicle off and suspension calibration could just do so much to compensate. I can feel the difference in handling between driving solo and driving with a passenger.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 08:10 AM
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Appreciate the spirited debate, folks. As an owner who’s put real miles on a 2025 E53e (214.063) I can clear up a few recurring myths and add a first-hand data point.

1 | Battery “dead weight” vs. real-world boost

The 400 V P2 pack is only ~420 lb, not “almost 1,000.” Even at “0 mi” displayed range the BMS holds ~30 % reserve, so the motor still handles creeping, coasting and gap-filling torque—they never leave you ICE-only. And for perspective, the E53 curb weight is 4244 lb, ~500 lb lighter than a Tesla Model S while delivering far stronger straight-line punch.

2 | Performance delta

Factory numbers are 3.9 s 0-60 (3.7 s with Race Start) and 577 hp / 553 lb-ft combined output. That’s a clear step beyond the E450’s 4.4 s and 375 hp, yet the car will repeat those launches back-to-back because the hybrid system always preserves a boost buffer.

3 | Ride, handling & longevity

AMG Ride Control steel springs with adaptive damping plus rear-axle steering (standard) let the chassis rotate tighter than the outgoing W213 while still soaking up Atlanta’s lunar-surface pavement. After ~6 k mi the springs “bloomed” and the ride in Comfort is genuinely supple, with Sport/+ still button-hard when you want it. No premature tire or bushing wear to report.

4 | Ergos & visibility

Yes, the default-height “automatic seat fit” can place taller drivers too high—cure is simple: store a manual position in any of the three memory slots and disable Auto Fit. With the wheel lowered one notch the 12.3″ cluster is fully visible, and the seating position stays locked every restart. Takes 60 seconds, not 10 minutes, once you know the trick (Settings > Seats > Driver Fit > Off).

5 | Use-case reality check

If your driving is 300-400 highway miles per day, buy an E450 or wait for the diesel. But if you want EV-quiet commuting plus repeatable sub-4-second launches on demand, the E53 hybrid architecture is “elegant tech,” to quote Andreas’ post—and it does so while sipping fuel in traffic and slashing tailpipe CO₂.

Bottom line: choose the drivetrain that matches your life, but let’s keep the numbers straight. The W214 E53 isn’t perfect, yet it’s the most versatile E-Class AMG to date.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Avi8tor
Appreciate the spirited debate, folks. As an owner who’s put real miles on a 2025 E53e (214.063) I can clear up a few recurring myths and add a first-hand data point.

1 | Battery “dead weight” vs. real-world boost

The 400 V P2 pack is only ~420 lb, not “almost 1,000.” Even at “0 mi” displayed range the BMS holds ~30 % reserve, so the motor still handles creeping, coasting and gap-filling torque—they never leave you ICE-only. And for perspective, the E53 curb weight is 4244 lb, ~500 lb lighter than a Tesla Model S while delivering far stronger straight-line punch.

2 | Performance delta

Factory numbers are 3.9 s 0-60 (3.7 s with Race Start) and 577 hp / 553 lb-ft combined output. That’s a clear step beyond the E450’s 4.4 s and 375 hp, yet the car will repeat those launches back-to-back because the hybrid system always preserves a boost buffer.

3 | Ride, handling & longevity

AMG Ride Control steel springs with adaptive damping plus rear-axle steering (standard) let the chassis rotate tighter than the outgoing W213 while still soaking up Atlanta’s lunar-surface pavement. After ~6 k mi the springs “bloomed” and the ride in Comfort is genuinely supple, with Sport/+ still button-hard when you want it. No premature tire or bushing wear to report.

4 | Ergos & visibility

Yes, the default-height “automatic seat fit” can place taller drivers too high—cure is simple: store a manual position in any of the three memory slots and disable Auto Fit. With the wheel lowered one notch the 12.3″ cluster is fully visible, and the seating position stays locked every restart. Takes 60 seconds, not 10 minutes, once you know the trick (Settings > Seats > Driver Fit > Off).

5 | Use-case reality check

If your driving is 300-400 highway miles per day, buy an E450 or wait for the diesel. But if you want EV-quiet commuting plus repeatable sub-4-second launches on demand, the E53 hybrid architecture is “elegant tech,” to quote Andreas’ post—and it does so while sipping fuel in traffic and slashing tailpipe CO₂.

Bottom line: choose the drivetrain that matches your life, but let’s keep the numbers straight. The W214 E53 isn’t perfect, yet it’s the most versatile E-Class AMG to date.

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...eference-guide

5280 lbs

Motor Trend also weighed the vehicle at ~5300 lbs
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 09:58 AM
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+1 to Avi8tor: I do agree with all you wrote!
Same things with weight, hybrid …with those who never drive a C63s and claimed about 4 cylinders: after 6 cylinders for more than. 20 years, dreaming of a V8 63, I was very surprised of its efficiency and sporty soul so do I with the heavy E53 Wagon I do dayly drive on the same track few minutes later .
E53 is not an RS6 ICE, neither a M5, ICE or hybrid, it’s a dynamic commuter, with top level equipments for the best experience.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 10:27 AM
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I quoted the 4,244-lb figure that’s still floating around MBUSA’s retail CMS. That line item traces back to an early mild-hybrid placeholder and was never purged. The final, certified SAE curb weight for U.S.-spec cars is 5,280 lb—see the official 2025 AMG E 53 Hybrid Quick Reference Guide. Motor Trend’s instrumented test car (21-inch wheels, glass roof) scaled at 5,309 lb, which tracks perfectly once you layer in the heavier hardware.

What changes (and what doesn’t)

Point from my original post Update Weight comparison – “~500 lb lighter than a Tesla Model S.” Strike that. With the certified mass locked, the E53e is ~500 lb heavierthan a Model S Plaid. Battery mass – “P2 pack ~420 lb.” Still accurate—the 28.6-kWh pack + cooling plate comes in a hair over 190 kg. Performance claim – “3.9 s 0-60 (3.7 s Race Start).” Stands. MT clocked 3.7 s in Race Start on a 5,3-ton curb. Ride/handling, ergonomics, use-case logic Unchanged. Six thousand real-world miles later, all observations still hold.

TL;DR I mis-spotted an old data feed; thanks for catching it. Curb weight is 5,280 lb, but every other datapoint—battery mass, hybrid boost behavior, chassis feel, and the “why this drivetrain makes sense” argument—remains spot-on. Appreciate the sharp eyes and the continued debate!
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 11:47 AM
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Saw this yesterday, to add to the controversy.


edit: nvm didn't see it posted already.

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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 12:00 PM
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The video nails the engineering, but in day-to-day driving the E53e’s trade-offs are smaller than the spreadsheets suggest. It may tip the scales at ~5,300 lb, yet it still rips to 60 mph in 3.3 s and stops from 60 mph in 102 ft. Cargo space? Essentially identical to the W213 E53. Thanks to its EV-plus-AMG duality, you glide through the commute in silence while a permanent boost reserve lurks in the background. Set Recuperation to Manual 3 and the brake pedal feels perfectly natural. If you crave a full-throated V8, wait for the "forthcoming" hybrid E63. Otherwise, for an all-weather, sub-4-second sedan that sips electrons on weekdays and shreds back roads on weekends, the current 53 hits a very sweet spot.
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I think all these videos are very subjective and 0-60 aren’t good indicators how efficient, safe and pleasant a car could be.
And especially an E53 which is not a competitor of M5 or RS6… or previous E63 V8.
A lot here are talking about an E53 hybrid they never drove, even for a 10’ trip around the retailer. Some have other experiences with other AMG, previous E53, E63 even GLE with less power and 600 more lbs but I drive last week CLE53 just before E53 on road then on track… and something was missing… not 800lbs but immediate torque and 160 HP!
Despite the fact that AMG sports cars are the 63’s, this E53 is only a sporty car… what a E450 is not.
I do make a comparison between my former BMW 545e and this E450 and the E400e before ordering my E53 … and both were far away behind in dynamic handling and performance.
So a another step to the E53…
I own one and have discovered, miles after miles, how impressive E53 hybrid could be but I had to learn how to get the best of it.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Avi8tor

1 | Battery “dead weight” vs. real-world boost

The 400 V P2 pack is only ~420 lb, not “almost 1,000.” Even at “0 mi” displayed range the BMS holds ~30 % reserve, so the motor still handles creeping, coasting and gap-filling torque—they never leave you ICE-only. And for perspective, the E53 curb weight is 4244 lb, ~500 lb lighter than a Tesla Model S while delivering far stronger straight-line punch..


When you consider weight I suggest that overall weight and not the weight of the battery is relevant. The overall weight of the AMG E53 is almost 1000 lbs.heaver than the E450. Because of the weight of the battery, suspension parts had to be beefed up, additional weight, plus the weight of the electric motor. Taken together this is why the E53 is 20% heavier than the E450.
Originally Posted by Avi8tor
If your driving is 300-400 highway miles per day, buy an E450 or wait for the diesel. But if you want EV-quiet commuting plus repeatable sub-4-second launches on demand, the E53 hybrid architecture is “elegant tech,” to quote Andreas’ post—and it does so while sipping fuel in traffic and slashing tailpipe CO₂..


Of course you are being facetious: diesel will not be returning to the US anytime soon! You do not have to be driving 300/400 per day to make the E450 the economic choice over the E53. 40% of my driving is long distance, so the operational cost of the E450 because of the significant reduced cost on the open road vs. the E53, makes economic sense.

There is of course the acceleration difference between the E53 and the E450, which is significant. With the passage of the BBB, the Federal Tax Credit of $7,500 will soon be gone. That makes the price delta between the E53 and the E450 $18,000. To those who will buy the E53, that price delta is worth it. To most I suspect it will not be.

As to resale: only time will tell: if the complexity of the E53 being a PHEV proves troublesome, than after 5 years most of the $18,000 delta will disapear.


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Mercedes-AMG E53 shows the curb weight as 2,390 kg. or 5,269 lbs. for the EU model. Scroll down and select all technical data.

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Thanks everyone for the spirited and informative discussion. Let me specifically address some recent points directly from my personal experience driving the 2025 E53e:

1 | Clarifying the Weight To clear up confusion, the certified curb weight for the U.S.-spec E53e is ~5,280 lbs (Motor Trend’s test vehicle was 5,309 lbs). While it’s heavier than initially quoted, the chassis engineering, including the low-mounted battery and rear-axle steering, significantly offsets this extra mass in real-world handling and braking performance.

2 | Hybrid Efficiency & Real-World Use Yes, the E53e provides around 40 miles of pure electric range, perfect for daily commuting. Even when the dash shows "0 miles" of EV range, about 30% battery capacity remains to maintain torque fill and consistent power delivery. On highway runs, the car achieves approximately 28 mpg—only a modest reduction compared to the E450, while city commuting frequently returns 55–60 MPGe.

3 | Practicality Despite the battery placement, trunk space remains practical and virtually identical to the previous W213 E53, easily accommodating two large suitcases and additional luggage.

4 | Cost & Value Proposition The real price difference between the E450 and similarly-equipped E53e is closer to $10,000, accounting for features unique to the E53e such as AMG Ride Control, performance brakes, and rear-axle steering. Factor in the running costs savings with frequent electric use, and the overall value becomes even more attractive.

5 | Long-Term Reliability Hybrid components carry an 8-year/100,000-mile warranty, and the advanced battery management technology ensures robust long-term reliability and performance.

Bottom Line: If long daily highway drives dominate your use case, the E450 might be the practical pick. However, if you value the blend of AMG performance, refined driving dynamics, and electric versatility for daily commuting, the E53e offers an unmatched combination in the current market.

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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 01:55 PM
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Also, if you want a sporty wagon without the added height/cladding, MB left you no choice but to go for the E53.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 04:29 PM
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As a European owner (French), « official » weight in UE does include the driver weight of 75kg and all needed fluids including petrol.
My E53 weight is 2435kg on COC Certificate Of Conformity on official ownership documents.


I use my car for my job and so I can drive weekly 500 to 1000 miles and my average consomption is around 7,5-8,5 l/100km, using manual gear on highway to force 8-9 and refill battery each night at the hotel for 70-90km electric range. May be less than 450 and 1 liter more than my previous BMW 30d and 0,5l more than 545e (which was incredibly efficient).
@JTK44 if there was no « tax punishment » on ICE and powerful motors in Europe and in France particularly, I should have keep on driving inline 6 cylinders diesel with more than 250-300HP and 620Nm of torque.
But high power 400-500HP Hybrid PHEV give so much more pleasure to drive that it makes worth this pricey choice for a company car as mine’s.
​​​@E53DadWagon wrote it, there is no choice in wagon, AMG E53 or BMW 550e less sporty… and in sedan, E450 and E400e.
New Audi S6 and Panamera Hybrid doesn’t propose the same things

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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 04:32 PM
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First, I am happy that you are happy with your AMG E53.


Originally Posted by Avi8tor
1 | Clarifying the Weight To clear up confusion, the certified curb weight for the U.S.-spec E53e is ~5,280 lbs (Motor Trend’s test vehicle was 5,309 lbs). While it’s heavier than initially quoted, the chassis engineering, including the low-mounted battery and rear-axle steering, significantly offsets this extra mass in real-world handling and braking performance.
Not really. On the highway, once you depleted the battery, you are hauling an additional 800/1000 lbs of dead weight. Not even the German's can rewrite the laws of physics.

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2 | Hybrid Efficiency & Real-World Use Yes, the E53e provides around 40 miles of pure electric range, perfect for daily commuting. Even when the dash shows "0 miles" of EV range, about 30% battery capacity remains to maintain torque fill and consistent power delivery. On highway runs, the car achieves approximately 28 mpg—only a modest reduction compared to the E450, while city commuting frequently returns 55–60 MPGe.
I hope you do know that on the highway the E450 in real driving at 70 mph gets between 33 and 34 mpg. The E53 28. That is almost 20% better gas mileage. I believe during the first 30/40 miles, when the battery is fully charged and you are running on pure electric, the mpg should be well over 100 mpg maybe 1000 ppg, not 50-60MPGe. The 50-60 is the mileage for I believe 100 miles. The more you drive the lower, as the battery is depleted. The less you drive, the higher MPGe,

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3 | Practicality Despite the battery placement, trunk space remains practical and virtually identical to the previous W213 E53, easily accommodating two large suitcases and additional luggage.
Mercedes made a big deal of declaring that the volume of the trunk for 2024 and newer went from 13 to 17 cubic feet. With the E53 you are back to 12 cubic feet. Neither size is to be confused with the trunk in either a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord.

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4 | Cost & Value Proposition The real price difference between the E450 and similarly-equipped E53e is closer to $10,000, accounting for features unique to the E53e such as AMG Ride Control, performance brakes, and rear-axle steering. Factor in the running costs savings with frequent electric use, and the overall value becomes even more attractive..
Again not really: The biggest profit margins for any car manufacturer are the options and add ons. Over time the value of those options depreciated much faster than the basic car. For example my 2019 E450 had a MSRP of just over $70,000. A fully loaded 2019 about $84,000. Today that delta of $14,000 has shrunk to less than $3,000.

Personally, when I order my next E450 I do not want nor would I pay extra for air suspension, rear wheel steering or performance brakes - more complicated and more prone to break. When it comes to either trade or sell, something that will happen to all of us, that $18,000 delta will probably shrink to less than $5,000.

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​​​​​​​5 | Long-Term Reliability Hybrid components carry an 8-year/100,000-mile warranty, and the advanced battery management technology ensures robust long-term reliability and performance.Cheers
Again I think you have missed the point: If you look at reliability of manufacturers cars, ICE or EV vs. PHEV, you will see that the reliability of the PHEV of the same cars built by the manufacturer are much worse. That means you can expect more problems with a PHEV vs. either a similar ICE or EV. The extended warranty only means that you will not have to pay for repairs - not that there will not be more repairs. We want our cars to drive - not be in the shop for repairs.

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​​​​​​​Bottom Line: If long daily highway drives dominate your use case, the E450 might be the practical pick. However, if you value the blend of AMG performance, refined driving dynamics, and electric versatility for daily commuting, the E53e offers an unmatched combination in the current market.

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YES as long as price is no object!


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Also, if you want a sporty wagon without the added height/cladding, MB left you no choice but to go for the E53.
The same E53 wagon, has LESS space in the hatch area, vis-a-vis the E450 All-Terrain wagon, due to the extra space taken up by the hybrid battery. Several INCHES of lost height.

The below picture is of my 2025 E450 All-Terrain, which barely fits my dog crate in the hatch area. My 2022 E450 All-Terrain (subsequently sold to my brother) had an INCH of spare space above the crate, while in the 2025 version, the top of the crate is brushing the top of the hatch area, which is why it has those 2 yellow towels placed there.

You try to fit the same crate into the E53 wagon, with several INCHES of less height in the hatch area, and you will be a seriously disappointed customer, since you will NOT be able to do so. I will take the extra cladding, for the MUCH more usable product. Killing the space in the hatch area, is the LAST thing I need, as a wagon customer.



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When you consider weight I suggest that overall weight and not the weight of the battery is relevant. The overall weight of the AMG E53 is almost 1000 lbs.heaver than the E450. Because of the weight of the battery, suspension parts had to be beefed up, additional weight, plus the weight of the electric motor. Taken together this is why the E53 is 20% heavier than the E450.
The 2023 E63s Wagon weighed 4725lbs. A sedan would have been a couple of 100lbs lighter. And the E63, in addition to the hand-built V8 Turbo, had all kinds of reinforcements that allowed it to perform the way it did.

God, I would have paid 5K$ MORE, if they offered an E53 wagon, without the PHEV stuff that's mandatorily tacked onto it. And my sincere hope is that if an S214 E63 wagon appears, it will not have the PHEV tacked onto it, and will be a pure performance product. But going by trends, with the BMW M5 being a PHEV product, I think MB will also succumb and come out with a 5500lbs PHEV porker.


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Thanks everyone for the spirited discussion. Let me directly tackle @JTK44's main points:

1 | Weight & Handling:
The claim of nearly "1,000 lbs of dead weight" is misleading. While the E53 is indeed heavier than the E450, the approximately 800 lbs difference is strategically placed low and centrally, significantly improving the car’s balance and stability. With advanced AMG Ride Control adaptive suspension, rear-axle steering, and robust braking systems, the car's real-world handling remains exceptional and has been independently verified through tests by Motor Trend and other reputable sources.

2 | Hybrid Efficiency & Practicality:
The battery never becomes mere "dead weight". Even after indicating "0 miles" EV range, around 30% reserve battery capacity remains to maintain consistent hybrid torque and performance. This is not theoretical but a reality that ensures seamless performance without noticeable drop-off. City commuting efficiency typically achieves 55–60 MPGe, and highway performance remains highly competitive at approximately 28 mpg—hardly a "substantial penalty" compared to the E450’s slightly higher mileage.

3 | Cost & Value Clarification:
JTK44 frequently mentions an exaggerated $18,000 price differential. When comparing similarly equipped models accurately, the real-world cost difference is closer to $10,000. The E53 includes substantial standard performance upgrades (AMG suspension, performance brakes, and rear-wheel steering) that significantly narrow this price gap. Factor in operational savings from frequent electric use, and the value proposition clearly favors the E53 for those seeking more than mere economic commuting.

4 | Reliability & Complexity:
Concerns about complexity are understandable but not borne out by real-world data. AMG hybrid components benefit from extensive testing and engineering derived from hypercar-level technology and come with a substantial 8-year/100,000-mile warranty. The proven reliability and advanced battery management significantly mitigate any real-world maintenance risks.

Bottom Line:
While the E53 isn’t designed to be the ultimate budget commuter, it excels as a versatile and dynamic daily driver, offering unmatched AMG performance, advanced technology, and genuine practicality. After extensive personal use, I confidently confirm it surpasses expectations across multiple criteria without compromise or regret.
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LOL, the battery is in the trunk, it is not placed strategically low in the floor of the car between the wheels like an EV. Where else could they have put it, on the roof?
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LOL, the battery is in the trunk, it is not placed strategically low in the floor of the car between the wheels like an EV. Where else could they have put it, on the roof?
Let me clarify this directly: While yes, the battery is indeed placed towards the rear, it’s mounted low and forward of the rear axle—not "in the trunk" in the simplistic sense. This strategic positioning significantly lowers the center of gravity and improves the car’s overall weight distribution front-to-rear, directly enhancing handling stability and cornering balance.

Contrary to what was implied, the battery’s placement is deliberate and purposeful, optimized by AMG engineers precisely to maximize handling performance and minimize any negative effects of additional mass. The E53’s agile handling and stability have been repeatedly confirmed in real-world tests and reviews, including by reputable sources such as Motor Trend.

Let's stick to factual accuracy here—misrepresentations do no favors to anyone genuinely interested in understanding these vehicles.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 09:13 PM
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Thanks for sharing that image—it perfectly illustrates my point.

What you're seeing there is exactly what I described earlier: The battery in the E53 is not "just thrown into the trunk" as dead weight. It's placed deliberately low, directly ahead of the rear axle, precisely to optimize the vehicle's center of gravity and maintain ideal weight distribution. This strategic placement significantly contributes to the car’s agile handling and balanced dynamics.

AMG engineers aren’t amateurs; the battery positioning shown in your own image clearly demonstrates their thoughtful approach. It ensures stability and performance—exactly the opposite of what you were implying.
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 09:43 PM
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Old Jul 6, 2025 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Avi8tor
1 | Weight & Handling:
The claim of nearly "1,000 lbs of dead weight" is misleading. While the E53 is indeed heavier than the E450, the approximately 800 lbs difference is strategically placed low and centrally, significantly improving the car’s balance and stability. With advanced AMG Ride Control adaptive suspension, rear-axle steering, and robust braking systems, the car's real-world handling remains exceptional and has been independently verified through tests by Motor Trend and other reputable sources.
As John McEnroe often says: "YOU CAN" BE SERIOUS!" 800lbs of dead weight is 800 lbs. of dead weight. Once the battery is depleted it is 800 lbs. of dead weight. Of course having 800 lbs. of dead weight low in the car is better than on the roof, but better yet, not to have the 800 lbs. That is automotive engineering 101!

As I posted the law of physics apply - even to Mercedes: It is not possible to have two identical cars except for the addition 800 lbs sitting over the rear axle ride, handle, turn and stop the same unless you are willing to spend thousands of dollars extra!

If you follow Tesla, Musk spent billions to make each Tesla as light as possible. Mercedes and every car manufacturer does the same: to make the car as light as possible. With The E53 Mercedes has gone in the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by Avi8tor
2 | Hybrid Efficiency & Practicality:
The battery never becomes mere "dead weight". Even after indicating "0 miles" EV range, around 30% reserve battery capacity remains to maintain consistent hybrid torque and performance. This is not theoretical but a reality that ensures seamless performance without noticeable drop-off. City commuting efficiency typically achieves 55–60 MPGe, and highway performance remains highly competitive at approximately 28 mpg—hardly a "substantial penalty" compared to the E450’s slightly higher mileage.
For someone who owns an AMG E53, I am amazed that you do not know the basic of how a PHEV works: the AMG E53 has a total range of 40 miles until it is depleted. Once that range is depleted, the ICE takes over except for burst when the accelerator is depressed. That means on a 300 mile trip, the first 30/40 miles are pure electric. After that pure ICE, except for burst when the accelerator is pressed. The ICE carrying 800 lbs of extra weight now gets 28 mpg for the balance of your 260 miles vs. 33/34 mpg on an E450. Here is the math plain and simple: for 260 miles at 28 mpg, you will burn 9.285 gallons. The E450 for 300 miles at 33 mpg will burn 9 gallons of gas. If this is round trip, which is my case, on the returning 300 miles the E53 will burn 10.7 gallons of gas. The E450 9 gallons. Total gas used: e53 19.98 gallons the E 450 18 gallons.

If you go to my post #238 you will see how a hybrid is used for extra performance at a minimum additional weight.

The extra weight there was about 200 lbs. not 800 lbs.


Originally Posted by Avi8tor
3 | Cost & Value Clarification:
JTK44 frequently mentions an exaggerated $18,000 price differential. When comparing similarly equipped models accurately, the real-world cost difference is closer to $10,000. The E53 includes substantial standard performance upgrades (AMG suspension, performance brakes, and rear-wheel steering) that significantly narrow this price gap. Factor in operational savings from frequent electric use, and the value proposition clearly favors the E53 for those seeking more than mere economic commuting.
Almost every conceivable option, pure money maker for Mercedes has been added to the E53. Most people buying an E450 will not spend thousands of dollars for these expensive options which only provides a small incremental improvement in handling. Rear wheel steering is an overly complex system that will break and cost thousands to repair: ditto with a non stardard suspension. . Extra cost brakes are necessary because you are stopping a car that weights 800 lbs. more than an E450. The list goes on an on and as I posted, by the time you decided to sell and or trade in, which will come to everyone, most of that $18,000 will be lost.

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4 | Reliability & Complexity:
Concerns about complexity are understandable but not borne out by real-world data. AMG hybrid components benefit from extensive testing and engineering derived from hypercar-level technology and come with a substantial 8-year/100,000-mile warranty. The proven reliability and advanced battery management significantly mitigate any real-world maintenance risks.
You may want to believe this: but check reliability reports of other PHEV's and you will see that contrary to your assertion the real world data shows that the reliability of PHEV is much, much worse than comparable ICE or Hybrids.

I think everyone can agree that the more complex a car is, the less reliable it is. Adding complexity means more things to break!

As to hypercar-level technology, again check out post #238 to see how electricity is properly added..

There is an old adage:

Never buy the first year of production




That adage was for American cars where thousands are built. Wait for the second year to have the bugs worked out.


With the E53 and the first time for Mercedes, a brand new PHEV drivetrain, buying the first year of production, where not thousands but perhaps hundreds are made, thinking that everything will be fine is a fantasy.

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Old Jul 7, 2025 | 03:10 AM
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I’m new here, but I’m surprised of what I read after 11 pages !
It’s your opinion, you own and drove an « old » E450, your use of your car needs some advantages and characteristics that E53 don’t have, you do not appreciate some equipments that may offer comfort, ease of use and excellence or luxury from S Class, it’s your right….
But please stop E53 bashing even some facts are real and some of your conclusions are founded. …L1Wolf
You are happy with your 2019 E450, let us be happy here with our 2024 E53 or 2025 and explain why for potential buyers and mostly satisfied owners
The Owners of this E53 are conscious of the pros and cons of this hybrid car, but the balance (and financial capacity) are OK, and we bought it.
it’s not the best car (none is but one may match most needs and dreams of its owners), but it’s a good one.
You are happy with 375 HP, let us enjoy the 20% extra-weight and the 35% of extra-power and extra-torque… and the 40 miles of electric range, 10% of total range
For me, less is not more,
NB: try a current top ICE E450 or a 2021 BMW 545e or a 2024 BMW 550e and you may change your point of view on weight, consomption and driving !

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