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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 03:08 PM
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I'm an aeronautical engineer. The effect on total drag of door handles is negligible. If drag were an issue then standard mechanical door handles could be redesigned so that they are flush with the door.
it’s already been done - Tesla 3/Y
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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Didn’t think it needed to be said, but retractable door handles industry wide are to reduce aerodynamic drag coefficient. They serve a purpose and are not just a gimmick.

I’ve only had the E53 a couple weeks, but no problems at all with them…or on a Porsche we also have with them.
The difference is negligible. Give me good olf fashioned door handles.
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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 05:37 PM
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Minor? Yes. Negligible? No. There are hundreds of little details that up to a lower Cd, which in turn means better economy, longer range, and improved CAFE. Less wind noise to manage as well.

There are many examples of non-motorized flush handles, but they are not necessarily intuitive to the average person.

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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Minor? Yes. Negligible? No. There are hundreds of little details that up to a lower Cd, which in turn means better economy, longer range, and improved CAFE. Less wind noise to manage as well.

There are many examples of non-motorized flush handles, but they are not necessarily intuitive to the average person.

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/aer...er-consumption
Rear view mirrors have much higher drag than door handles, but nothing has been done to eliminate that drag. Same with windshield wipers -- to reduce drag they should be parked in a vertical position, but that has not happened. So in summary, the complex and unreliable retractable door handles is nothing but a gimmick.
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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Minor? Yes. Negligible? No. There are hundreds of little details that up to a lower Cd, which in turn means better economy, longer range, and improved CAFE. Less wind noise to manage as well.

There are many examples of non-motorized flush handles, but they are not necessarily intuitive to the average person.

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/aer...er-consumption
its a car, not a plane. I'll take the infinitesimally higher cD to have physical door handles.
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Old Jan 10, 2026 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elmalo
Rear view mirrors have much higher drag than door handles, but nothing has been done to eliminate that drag. Same with windshield wipers -- to reduce drag they should be parked in a vertical position, but that has not happened. So in summary, the complex and unreliable retractable door handles is nothing but a gimmick.
In some markets manufacturers have replaced side mirrors with small cameras outside and screens in the doors/dash to reduce drag. They are not legal in the US, however.

Go look at the Cybertruck wiper…

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Old Jan 11, 2026 | 10:14 AM
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Don't you ever open the door for someone and wish that you didn't have to get out of the car to do so?
I encounter that situation almost daily when I need to open the rear door as a courtesy for a guest.
I think if you remotely open the rear door for someone as a "courtesy", the "courtesy" part is no longer there.
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Old Jan 11, 2026 | 10:16 AM
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I think if you remotely open the rear door for someone as a "courtesy", the "courtesy" part is no longer there.
just push the unlock button on the drivers door - handle pops out.
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Old Jan 11, 2026 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TulsaVic
I think if you remotely open the rear door for someone as a "courtesy", the "courtesy" part is no longer there.
The courtesy is still present - "an act done on behalf of others".

It is no different than the courtesy of holding an elevator door open by pushing a button on the control panel.

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Old Jan 12, 2026 | 02:57 AM
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I think they are great. The 0.5% of the time they aren’t perfect, well, I deem that as acceptable for a margin of error or fault. They definitely make the car less attractive to try and commit a GTA when the vehicle is in motion or in use on the streets of whatever metropolitan city you might be traveling in.
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Old Jan 12, 2026 | 09:45 AM
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My daughter won’t use them because they have snapped on her hands so many times. She and I went out yesterday and she went out to the garage before me and when I went out she was just standing there waiting for me to open the door lol. “I’m not using that thing”. They’ve also shut on my hand multiple times, shut on my 80 year old mother’s hand. Only thing about the car I actually hate.
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Old Jan 18, 2026 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cjc52315
Just touch the retractable handle and swipe toward the front of the car, the the handle will pop out
you do not have to swipe anything. you touch the dimple and it pops out. just like touching the dimple has always worked. touch it to lock. touch it to extend the handles.
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Old Jan 18, 2026 | 11:21 AM
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Issue is if you brush the dimple when trying to open the door the car will lock and the handles will snap shut on your hand, and the hands of anybody else who may also be trying to get in the car
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 12:58 AM
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Issue is if you brush the dimple when trying to open the door the car will lock and the handles will snap shut on your hand, and the hands of anybody else who may also be trying to get in the car
We call this the "dimple snap."
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercuccio
We call this the "dimple snap."
To sum up: Retractable door handles don't open or close the door any better than fixed door handles but are more complex, unreliable and more likely to fail. Bringing up aerodynamic drag as an excuse is ridiculous. First, the overall drag coefficient is insignificantly reduced by retractable door handles as compared to fixed recessed handles, and second, aerodynamic drag depends on the speed of the car and the average speed of daily beaters is very low.
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by elmalo
To sum up: Retractable door handles don't open or close the door any better than fixed door handles but are more complex, unreliable and more likely to fail. Bringing up aerodynamic drag as an excuse is ridiculous. First, the overall drag coefficient is insignificantly reduced by retractable door handles as compared to fixed recessed handles, and second, aerodynamic drag depends on the speed of the car and the average speed of daily beaters is very low.
My mom in the late 1980's / early 1990's: "Power windows serve no purpose. You can roll the window down with the handle and the handle never breaks. What about when window's freeze? Power window motors will break, but the good old handle will always work. And what if you drive off into a lake?? The power windows will trap you in and you will die. But the handle will always work. Why are they trying to complicate a window going up and down with a motor and all those parts that you know are going to break every time you use them. And it is not like the handle is that much slower than a power window. So why are car companies trying to come up with new technology??!!! It serves no purpose for something I can already do!!!"

Engine makers in whatever year it was: "Why do you complicate the four cylinder engine with a 6 cylinder engine??? Don't you know that just for a little more power and trying to continue the path of new technology that you are going to create more parts that are going to break?? And what??? You are looking at a V-shape? Don't you know that you are going to vibrate more and have more parts that are going to break??"

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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by yossarian1
My mom in the late 1980's / early 1990's: "Power windows serve no purpose. You can roll the window down with the handle and the handle never breaks. What about when window's freeze? Power window motors will break, but the good old handle will always work. And what if you drive off into a lake?? The power windows will trap you in and you will die. But the handle will always work. Why are they trying to complicate a window going up and down with a motor and all those parts that you know are going to break every time you use them. And it is not like the handle is that much slower than a power window. So why are car companies trying to come up with new technology??!!! It serves no purpose for something I can already do!!!"

Engine makers in whatever year it was: "Why do you complicate the four cylinder engine with a 6 cylinder engine??? Don't you know that just for a little more power and trying to continue the path of new technology that you are going to create more parts that are going to break?? And what??? You are looking at a V-shape? Don't you know that you are going to vibrate more and have more parts that are going to break??"
Power windows have benefits, but retractable door handles don't have any. That's the difference. Just as dumb as touch screen controlled vents.
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by elmalo
Power windows have benefits, but retractable door handles don't have any. That's the difference. Just as dumb as touch screen controlled vents.
Benefits that a handle can't do (albeit for the differently-abled)? People said "why do I need an automobile when I have a perfectly good horse" too. I get that you don't like them. Maybe MB will get rid of them in the future like Subaru did with those automatic seatbelts. But you can't blame them for trying...

Also, I think a sleek looking car is a benefit...I also don't think you can run before you walk. So maybe the technology is a bit flawed. I think a single computer with the power of a current mobile phone used to take up a whole room in the 60's. Didn't stop them from innovating...

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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by yossarian1
Benefits that a handle can't do (albeit for the differently-abled)? People said "why do I need an automobile when I have a perfectly good horse" too. I get that you don't like them. Maybe MB will get rid of them in the future like Subaru did with those automatic seatbelts. But you can't blame them for trying...

Also, I think a sleek looking car is a benefit...I also don't think you can run before you walk. So maybe the technology is a bit flawed. I think a single computer with the power of a current mobile phone used to take up a whole room in the 60's. Didn't stop them from innovating...
Bad ideas should never be "tested" on customers unless the company wants to lose sales. Same can be said about moving everything over to touchscreens. Seems like the designers/mgmt have more experience with mobile phones than driving a car in traffic.
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by elmalo
Power windows have benefits, but retractable door handles don't have any. That's the difference. Just as dumb as touch screen controlled vents.
What would those be? Additional switch gear to break? added weight? Trying to differentiate power windows from power handles as "having benefits" is laughable.
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 12:48 PM
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What would those be? Additional switch gear to break? added weight? Trying to differentiate power windows from power handles as "having benefits" is laughable.
Power windows can be controlled remotely, manually cranked windows can not.
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Old Jan 20, 2026 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by elmalo
Bad ideas should never be "tested" on customers unless the company wants to lose sales. Same can be said about moving everything over to touchscreens. Seems like the designers/mgmt have more experience with mobile phones than driving a car in traffic.
The issue is bias. These "ideas" are always tested many times over by engineers, designers, discussed by finance and bean counters and eventually put in front of focus groups who decide what is and isn't a "good idea". These people are not stupid but they're not infallible. What they are is biased. And it's very difficult to leave that bias behind to make objective decisions. And sometimes the things that were financially feasible, design and engineering possibilities that were even well received by focus groups and test users can end up flopping in the real market. With auto manufacturing, it takes 3+ years to iterate and fix which can feel like an eternity, especially when compared to software changes that can happen overnight.

So no, these are not "tested" on customers. They were already tested and deemed to be a net positive only to receive "some" backlash. Again, you're sampling a few griping people on a message board. You need to look at it in the context of all users, many whom are not represented here.
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I'm sampling my own fingers, which have never been pinched between a door handle and a door in 30 years of driving until we owned one of these stupid things. This is the unfortunate dilemma we face if we want a cool wagon-shaped car in the year of our Satan, 2026 - stupidly complicated door handles that are at least an honest introduction to how otherwise insanely complicated the rest of the car is. Or you can to the Porsche dealer and buy an all-electric one whose powered door handles are slightly less stupid. Or you can go to the BMW dealer and have a similar experience with an extra 200hp and half the electric range of the E53. Or you can have plastic cladding masquerading as an offroader on your Volvo (discontinued), Audi, or Mercedes (with said finger pinching door handles). and god help you if you want to spend less than the median household income on a wagon.

Despite the handles, I like the car, any car that has a button on the steering wheel to fully disable stability control has gotten one of the fundamentals right, and there is a lot right about this car. But I'll give you $5 if the E-class door handles aren't a Some Board Member Says We Gotta Have It response to the 2014 Model S that took 10 years for Mercedes to overengineer to the point of being willing to field it on their competing product...and the car would be that much better without them. MB did a 2000's collab with tesla and learned all the wrong lessons from it lol. At least the app works better than theirs (sometimes)

Anyway, sigh. Tolkien was right

Compliment sandwich time: At least MB didn't decontent it to such an extent that you can't lock from the rear door handles. That's nice that they didn't pull that feature out yet.

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Originally Posted by yossarian1
My mom in the late 1980's / early 1990's: "Power windows serve no purpose. You can roll the window down with the handle and the handle never breaks. What about when window's freeze? Power window motors will break, but the good old handle will always work. And what if you drive off into a lake?? The power windows will trap you in and you will die. But the handle will always work. Why are they trying to complicate a window going up and down with a motor and all those parts that you know are going to break every time you use them. And it is not like the handle is that much slower than a power window. So why are car companies trying to come up with new technology??!!! It serves no purpose for something I can already do!!!"

Engine makers in whatever year it was: "Why do you complicate the four cylinder engine with a 6 cylinder engine??? Don't you know that just for a little more power and trying to continue the path of new technology that you are going to create more parts that are going to break?? And what??? You are looking at a V-shape? Don't you know that you are going to vibrate more and have more parts that are going to break??"
This is a strawman argument. There is a tangible improvement with power windows and power locks and all of that. Having owned this car now with these door handles for 1.5 years and 20k miles I honestly see no benefit to them, no benefit at all. All I see are downsides and when I drive my other car which has ordinary old door handles...they are just so much better.

This is just poor design, its tech for the purpose of tech that doesn't in any way improve my experience interacting with my car...it diminishes my experience. When my daughter is literally afraid to use the door handles on my car...that is poor design, I'm sorry.

As for "just a few people grousing on a message board" just ask people you see out in the world who have these cars with these door handles how they like them. I bet you will find plenty of people don't. Everybody who gets in my car thinks they are dumb, they aren't impressed by them.

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They definitely make the car less attractive to try and commit a GTA when the vehicle is in motion or in use on the streets of whatever metropolitan city you might be traveling in.
This is why we come to the forums, so we can get stuff that we didn't think of. I realize locked doors in motion are the default, but like, can you imagine the confusion trying to steal one of these? Can you imagine if the car was also a manual transmission? Might as well just walk yourself into the precinct lol

And if it has the superscreen, forget it. WELCOME BACK, PERSON OF INTEREST IN SEVERAL RECENT INCIDENTS

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