Well…. 56k miles and now needs an entire battery
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China has 3x the US population but 6x more engineers. Tariffs only slow down their progress but it's not going to stop it. US and Euro companies really messed up by partnering with China and giving away all their IP and know-how just to capture their market. It was very shortsighted.
I've already noticed an uptick of YouTube influencers reviewing Chinese EVs, probably paid for by the Chinese companies to help sway the US public. No surprise there.
I don't know what's better: the feeble attempt to save the US and Euro EV auto manufacturing by charging tariffs or taking that subsidized Chinese EV (free money) and low cost EV (cheap labor) so that we have more spending money for other uses, and just let global capitalism take its course?
I've already noticed an uptick of YouTube influencers reviewing Chinese EVs, probably paid for by the Chinese companies to help sway the US public. No surprise there.
I don't know what's better: the feeble attempt to save the US and Euro EV auto manufacturing by charging tariffs or taking that subsidized Chinese EV (free money) and low cost EV (cheap labor) so that we have more spending money for other uses, and just let global capitalism take its course?
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That Morano guy wouldn't put his money where his denialist mouth was. I guess talk really is cheap.
https://www.desmog.com/2016/04/11/ex...e-science-guy/
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Tell me what is in it for those of us that who are concerned about climate change. Do you think that we a some kind of suckers blindly believing that it is an issue and you are somehow smarter than we are and you see reality and we don't.
That Morano guy wouldn't put his money where his denialist mouth was. I guess talk really is cheap.
https://www.desmog.com/2016/04/11/ex...e-science-guy/
That Morano guy wouldn't put his money where his denialist mouth was. I guess talk really is cheap.
https://www.desmog.com/2016/04/11/ex...e-science-guy/
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Please try to use some critical thinking. Don’t rely on your feelings being hurt because someone might think they are smarter than you.
The beginning of science is skepticism.
The beginning of skepticism is noticing incongruity, and contradiction.
For instance, how many predictions about global warming and/or climate change have come true:
1958 NYT Arctic ice pack will vanish
1967 SLC Tribune widespread 1st world Famine:Quoting Dr. Paul Ehrlich of book “Population Bomb”
1970 Boston Globe ice age by y2k(air pollution scare) Also reported in Wash. Post
1972 Brown U. Letter to Nixon (New ice age by 2072)
1974-1978 Time & Guardian: satellites show ice age
1982 NYT AGW devastation by y2k(like a nuclear holocaust)
1988 AFP: Maldives will be underwater from sea level rise in 30 years
1989 SJ Mercury: Entire nations under sea by y2k
Y2K Independent: UK will never have snow again.
2001 Albuquerque Journal; New England sugar maple gone by 2021
2006 AP: by 2016 point of no return
2007 NYT: by 2012 it’s too late
2007 AP: Arctic ice free by 2012(&numerous others)
2009 USA Today:Arctic ice free by 2014
2018 Forbes: Arctic ice gone by 2022
And basically whatever Greta Thunberg(everything) has ever said.
The beginning of science is skepticism.
The beginning of skepticism is noticing incongruity, and contradiction.
For instance, how many predictions about global warming and/or climate change have come true:
1958 NYT Arctic ice pack will vanish
1967 SLC Tribune widespread 1st world Famine:Quoting Dr. Paul Ehrlich of book “Population Bomb”
1970 Boston Globe ice age by y2k(air pollution scare) Also reported in Wash. Post
1972 Brown U. Letter to Nixon (New ice age by 2072)
1974-1978 Time & Guardian: satellites show ice age
1982 NYT AGW devastation by y2k(like a nuclear holocaust)
1988 AFP: Maldives will be underwater from sea level rise in 30 years
1989 SJ Mercury: Entire nations under sea by y2k
Y2K Independent: UK will never have snow again.
2001 Albuquerque Journal; New England sugar maple gone by 2021
2006 AP: by 2016 point of no return
2007 NYT: by 2012 it’s too late
2007 AP: Arctic ice free by 2012(&numerous others)
2009 USA Today:Arctic ice free by 2014
2018 Forbes: Arctic ice gone by 2022
And basically whatever Greta Thunberg(everything) has ever said.
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Please try to use some critical thinking. Don’t rely on your feelings being hurt because someone might think they are smarter than you.
The beginning of science is skepticism.
The beginning of skepticism is noticing incongruity, and contradiction.
For instance, how many predictions about global warming and/or climate change have come true:
1958 NYT Arctic ice pack will vanish
1967 SLC Tribune widespread 1st world Famine:Quoting Dr. Paul Ehrlich of book “Population Bomb”
1970 Boston Globe ice age by y2k(air pollution scare) Also reported in Wash. Post
1972 Brown U. Letter to Nixon (New ice age by 2072)
1974-1978 Time & Guardian: satellites show ice age
1982 NYT AGW devastation by y2k(like a nuclear holocaust)
1988 AFP: Maldives will be underwater from sea level rise in 30 years
1989 SJ Mercury: Entire nations under sea by y2k
Y2K Independent: UK will never have snow again.
2001 Albuquerque Journal; New England sugar maple gone by 2021
2006 AP: by 2016 point of no return
2007 NYT: by 2012 it’s too late
2007 AP: Arctic ice free by 2012(&numerous others)
2009 USA Today:Arctic ice free by 2014
2018 Forbes: Arctic ice gone by 2022
And basically whatever Greta Thunberg(everything) has ever said.
The beginning of science is skepticism.
The beginning of skepticism is noticing incongruity, and contradiction.
For instance, how many predictions about global warming and/or climate change have come true:
1958 NYT Arctic ice pack will vanish
1967 SLC Tribune widespread 1st world Famine:Quoting Dr. Paul Ehrlich of book “Population Bomb”
1970 Boston Globe ice age by y2k(air pollution scare) Also reported in Wash. Post
1972 Brown U. Letter to Nixon (New ice age by 2072)
1974-1978 Time & Guardian: satellites show ice age
1982 NYT AGW devastation by y2k(like a nuclear holocaust)
1988 AFP: Maldives will be underwater from sea level rise in 30 years
1989 SJ Mercury: Entire nations under sea by y2k
Y2K Independent: UK will never have snow again.
2001 Albuquerque Journal; New England sugar maple gone by 2021
2006 AP: by 2016 point of no return
2007 NYT: by 2012 it’s too late
2007 AP: Arctic ice free by 2012(&numerous others)
2009 USA Today:Arctic ice free by 2014
2018 Forbes: Arctic ice gone by 2022
And basically whatever Greta Thunberg(everything) has ever said.
Unlike most people, I'm actually curious how you arrived at this position in life. I presume you aren't entirely disagreeable in real life, and you have neighbors and coworkers with whom you interact, and you act somewhat normally. Yet you feel the need to go online and misbehave like you are a middle schooler telling another kid that your dad is smarter than his dad. If you want to send me some information or videos, feel free to do so privately. You are sort of like a sociological experiment to me.
BTW, still no acceptance of my offer to do medical diagnostic work or perform surgery at your facility. I'll even do it for free. I now do dental work also, and I'm willing to perform this anytime on you.
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I totally agree with the spirit of this. The only thing that might (might not) give me pause is the racism part. To me the whole tariff's thing is about political power (which in my mind translates to money), but you may well be right, that there could be a racism component in there as well.
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Lol...feelings being hurt. Not. You are embarrassing yourself. On this public forum and in private messages you are being mocked. Do yourself a favor and give it up. Go back to your silo of self reinforcing 'information' on Facebook and Truth Social and feel content that you have looked at all available information and arrived at the correct place on every issue, because you are a skeptic. You wouldn't happen to cherry pick when to be a skeptic in other parts of your life, would you?
Unlike most people, I'm actually curious how you arrived at this position in life. I presume you aren't entirely disagreeable in real life, and you have neighbors and coworkers with whom you interact, and you act somewhat normally. Yet you feel the need to go online and misbehave like you are a middle schooler telling another kid that your dad is smarter than his dad. If you want to send me some information or videos, feel free to do so privately. You are sort of like a sociological experiment to me.
BTW, still no acceptance of my offer to do medical diagnostic work or perform surgery at your facility. I'll even do it for free. I now do dental work also, and I'm willing to perform this anytime on you.
Unlike most people, I'm actually curious how you arrived at this position in life. I presume you aren't entirely disagreeable in real life, and you have neighbors and coworkers with whom you interact, and you act somewhat normally. Yet you feel the need to go online and misbehave like you are a middle schooler telling another kid that your dad is smarter than his dad. If you want to send me some information or videos, feel free to do so privately. You are sort of like a sociological experiment to me.
BTW, still no acceptance of my offer to do medical diagnostic work or perform surgery at your facility. I'll even do it for free. I now do dental work also, and I'm willing to perform this anytime on you.
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Well, not sure I would consider a list of clickbait and puff pieces evidence of anything, let alone a real prediction of anything. The real papers due show the areas of real concern, and things like the arctic ice pack receding and potentially disappearing are definitely on the table. Polar bears are already suffering, and likely to be extinct soon as the ice pack melts. Normally, they can swim to the ice pack, but it has receded too far for them to make in many areas. Do you really think a 400 km swim is something a polar bear can do? We can see evidence of sea level rise, increased intensity of hurricanes and other cyclonic storms. I understand the difference between some article in the general press designed to increase circulation and the real trends and changes that we are seeing as reported in more serious sources. I also understand that some things are wrong at the margins because these are large, complex system that we cannot fully model yet. That does not mean we do not know enough to know what is dangerous and where problems will occur. We do not predict the weather, but we can forecast it with a high degree of accuracy.
The climate has changed in the past and will change in the future. We have an effect on the climate, and regardless of what we might do to mitigate the changes, we will need to manage and adapt to the changes that will occur regardless of what we might do in the near future. Mitigation strategies are long term, but the effects of the last hundred years are on us today, and will get worse.
The climate has changed in the past and will change in the future. We have an effect on the climate, and regardless of what we might do to mitigate the changes, we will need to manage and adapt to the changes that will occur regardless of what we might do in the near future. Mitigation strategies are long term, but the effects of the last hundred years are on us today, and will get worse.
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All of those articles quoted “experts”, “scientists”, and other so called most qualified personnel. As for the polar bear scare, their numbers have been counted legitimately, and they are flourishing. I am just as concerned about keeping the planet clean, and being a good steward. But at some point, the alarmists have to admit that what they are peddling is about as virtuous as all the hype behind the great Rona scare.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
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All of those articles quoted “experts”, “scientists”, and other so called most qualified personnel. As for the polar bear scare, their numbers have been counted legitimately, and they are flourishing. I am just as concerned about keeping the planet clean, and being a good steward. But at some point, the alarmists have to admit that what they are peddling is about as virtuous as all the hype behind the great Rona scare.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
Also: "The IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group lists the polar bear as a vulnerable species, citing sea ice loss from climate change as the single biggest threat to their survival." The following link may be helpful: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...g/11092356002/
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Given how some of those articles are written, I think it would be better to say they misquoted "experts," "scientists," etc.
Also: "The IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group lists the polar bear as a vulnerable species, citing sea ice loss from climate change as the single biggest threat to their survival." The following link may be helpful: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...g/11092356002/
Also: "The IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group lists the polar bear as a vulnerable species, citing sea ice loss from climate change as the single biggest threat to their survival." The following link may be helpful: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...g/11092356002/
Also, polar bears after 56k miles need entire new batteries as well, to keep this reply thread related…
https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2...g-polar-bears/
Last edited by MB2timer; Nov 26, 2024 at 08:10 PM. Reason: Thread related
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This one. 2018 Forbes: Arctic ice gone by 2022.
The actual prediction what that "old polar ice would be gone by 2022" where the definition of old ice is ice that is older than 4 years old. That in fact has disappeared but again both sides incorrectly said that it was all artic ice.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcm...mes-its-slide/
Real scientists are not skeptics but rather they conduct hypothesis testing which either supports or refutes the hypothesis.
Like these scientists"
"In “Assessing ExxonMobil’s Global Warming Projections,” researchers from Harvard and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research show for the first time the accuracy of previously unreported forecasts created by company scientists from 1977 through 2003. The Harvard team discovered that Exxon researchers created a series of remarkably reliable models and analyses projecting global warming from carbon dioxide emissions over the coming decades. Specifically, Exxon projected that fossil fuel emissions would lead to 0.20 degrees Celsius of global warming per decade, with a margin of error of 0.04 degrees — a trend that has been proven largely accurate."
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...limate-change/
Does skepticism define truth? I am skeptical that you own a late model SL63. It's a ruse to make you look more wealthy on this board than you really are. Don't bother sending pictures of it because I will claim you took them of someone else's car.
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Critical thinking would lead to the question, were they lying/misinforming then, or are they doing it now. It would also lead to a potential consideration of, maybe they were lying then, and never stopped?
Also, polar bears after 56k miles need entire new batteries as well, to keep this reply thread related…
https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2...g-polar-bears/
Also, polar bears after 56k miles need entire new batteries as well, to keep this reply thread related…
https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2...g-polar-bears/
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Oh Boy, some guys feelings are really hurt. Pursuit of truth must subvert emotion. Skepticism is necessary for the scientific method to be undertaken. We must be curious, and un afraid to question conventional wisdom, and accepted norms.
Take for instance:
John F. Clauser, a Nobel award winning physicist in 2022;(with 56k miles on his battery);
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science. It threatens the world economy and the well being of billions of people. Misguided climate change science has metastasized into massive shock journalism pseudoscience. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis.”
You have to be willing to discard current understanding, when met with new information, or contradictory information. If you are not willing, then your priority isn’t truth, it’s something besides truth.
Take for instance:
John F. Clauser, a Nobel award winning physicist in 2022;(with 56k miles on his battery);
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science. It threatens the world economy and the well being of billions of people. Misguided climate change science has metastasized into massive shock journalism pseudoscience. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis.”
You have to be willing to discard current understanding, when met with new information, or contradictory information. If you are not willing, then your priority isn’t truth, it’s something besides truth.
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Oh Boy, some guys feelings are really hurt. Pursuit of truth must subvert emotion. Skepticism is necessary for the scientific method to be undertaken. We must be curious, and un afraid to question conventional wisdom, and accepted norms.
Take for instance:
John F. Clauser, a Nobel award winning physicist in 2022;(with 56k miles on his battery);
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science. It threatens the world economy and the well being of billions of people. Misguided climate change science has metastasized into massive shock journalism pseudoscience. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis.”
You have to be willing to discard current understanding, when met with new information, or contradictory information. If you are not willing, then your priority isn’t truth, it’s something besides truth.
Take for instance:
John F. Clauser, a Nobel award winning physicist in 2022;(with 56k miles on his battery);
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science. It threatens the world economy and the well being of billions of people. Misguided climate change science has metastasized into massive shock journalism pseudoscience. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis.”
You have to be willing to discard current understanding, when met with new information, or contradictory information. If you are not willing, then your priority isn’t truth, it’s something besides truth.
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The science is real and it tells where we are headed if we don't take corrective actions ie reducing our carbon emissions. It really isn't even controversial anymore. Don't understand what someone's incentive to dispute it would be. I mean I get why people with a financial stake in fossil fuel production and utilization would but other than that I don't get it.
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All of those articles quoted “experts”, “scientists”, and other so called most qualified personnel. As for the polar bear scare, their numbers have been counted legitimately, and they are flourishing. I am just as concerned about keeping the planet clean, and being a good steward. But at some point, the alarmists have to admit that what they are peddling is about as virtuous as all the hype behind the great Rona scare.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
I have to admit, I give you credit for getting away from the ad hominem, and addressing the issues. Most people on the alarmist side don’t want to engage, they just want to stay centered in their reverence for their newly found religion of climate change.
I’ve already asked you to post some of your information sources and/or videos you feel are important for us to see. I am willing to go to the source and see what they have to say. As someone who has for decades appreciated skeptics like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, I am also curious to hear in what parts of your life you apply skepticism. I encourage you to post your sources publicly, but feel free to do so privately if you would must.
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Classic strawman argument.
I’ve already asked you to post some of your information sources and/or videos you feel are important for us to see. I am willing to go to the source and see what they have to say. As someone who has for decades appreciated skeptics like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, I am also curious to hear in what parts of your life you apply skepticism. I encourage you to post your sources publicly, but feel free to do so privately if you would must.
I’ve already asked you to post some of your information sources and/or videos you feel are important for us to see. I am willing to go to the source and see what they have to say. As someone who has for decades appreciated skeptics like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, I am also curious to hear in what parts of your life you apply skepticism. I encourage you to post your sources publicly, but feel free to do so privately if you would must.
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@MB2timer I only Googled one of your list of skeptical facts. Okay, so you use people's Twitter opinions as a source of information. What else? Please list your primary data sources for your skeptical information gathering. I've got six hours in the car today--I'm willing to watch one of your climate videos...not kidding. Let me know what I should watch.
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34ZB4RX
https://perma.cc/TW4B-KVN2
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34ZB4RX
https://perma.cc/TW4B-KVN2
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W463 G550 / C190 GTC //prev: W204 C63 507 / R170
tried the whole lock, unlock, lock, unlock, lock and wait 20 minutes
nothing
got the vehicle towed to dealership and he says
’here’s a loaner, we’re going to have to replace the entire battery, it’s close to a $30k job’
1) WOW, I’ll never drive an EV without warranty. Thank goodness MBUSA has a 150k mile warranty on the battery
2) it’s a bit concerning how unreliable / unusable a car can be when the battery acts up. Like the car is either working or not working, no in between
nothing
got the vehicle towed to dealership and he says
’here’s a loaner, we’re going to have to replace the entire battery, it’s close to a $30k job’
1) WOW, I’ll never drive an EV without warranty. Thank goodness MBUSA has a 150k mile warranty on the battery
2) it’s a bit concerning how unreliable / unusable a car can be when the battery acts up. Like the car is either working or not working, no in between
There is no ‘in between’ with most issues with a modern ICE car. They are all computers on wheels.
I doubt it’s the battery - they are just replacing what they are guessing the cause is. The battery is made up of hundreds of near AA sized cells - it’s designed to continue working if some fail.
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Do you understand that manufacturing EV batteries puts out so much CO2 that you have to drive 100,000 just to break-even with gas engine CO2 emissions?
[source: [color=#ffffff]https://www.weforum.org/stories/2017...power-energy/]
I own a G550, AMG GTC, and EQS 450+. I like the EQS for what it is, I am not disillusioned to believe I am ‘saving the planet’.
Ramping up battery production just dumps loads more CO2 into the atmosphere that we are not going to break even on down the line, unless everyone keeps the same EV beyond 5-6 years — will never happen.
[source: [color=#ffffff]https://www.weforum.org/stories/2017...power-energy/]
I own a G550, AMG GTC, and EQS 450+. I like the EQS for what it is, I am not disillusioned to believe I am ‘saving the planet’.
Ramping up battery production just dumps loads more CO2 into the atmosphere that we are not going to break even on down the line, unless everyone keeps the same EV beyond 5-6 years — will never happen.
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This is so dumb. “Yearly temperature compared to 20th century average”. Think about that…
These numbers make up the average.
This graph is meaningless.
I always question how the average daily/yearly temp is calculated. I can make a day’s average look like just about anything. It all depends on when I measure and how often.
These numbers make up the average.
This graph is meaningless.
I always question how the average daily/yearly temp is calculated. I can make a day’s average look like just about anything. It all depends on when I measure and how often.
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