JetRanger

Someone commented here they feel the EQS is superior to the Tesla Plaid. Keep in mind the 0 to 60 time of the Tesla is 1.9 seconds, soooo much faster than the Merc. Just sayin...

kp117

The Tesla has the same exterior design for the past 8 years. The interior doesn't befit a 140K car. But it is really fast...

Streamliner

I know that acceleration performance is a big deal to many, but at what point does it become INSANE? And, just because a car can do 0 to 60 in sub 2 seconds, doesn't mean that it has enough chassis, suspension, brakes & tires to deal with that performance in anything other than a straight line. Hate to be around some clown in a Plaid when the pedal is to the metal and some kid on an electric bicycle runs a stop sign--as they ALL do--and crosses their path.

syswei

Each has strong points and will sell some units based on each individual's priorities. But for me personally, owning a Tesla S and a MB S, I don't see replacing either with a Tesla.

JoeMa

Tesla's 0 to 60 in 1.99 seconds is a marketing tool. In the real world its closer to 2.3 seconds. Of course that's crazy fast for a car but it makes my point. Tesla's Model S with 'Plaid' speed and yoke steering is simply marketing for an aging design that otherwise would be losing some repeat buyers. But if your thing is rocketing around the neighborhood at light-speed, it's your money. For my money, I'd opt for the luxury of an EQS. I'm actually waiting on the EQS SUV coming next year.

Tesla is doing something right because they have a waiting list of buyers for every model. I've even given thought to a Model Y as a second car, but for the luxury buyer, Tesla will lose some customers when EQS and Lucid Air are available for purchase. No doubt about it.

MBNUT1

Only the Tesla has been crash tested outside of Mercedes and it got a 5 star rating from NHSTA for a head on collision. In the absence of any data it is reasonable to assume that S Class would perform exceptionally well.

The S Class primary design objective is to distinguish itself as a comfortable long distance cruiser. If the question was modified to handling capability per amount of ride comfort the Model S would win handily.

Wolfman

Quickest ****box money can buy
I have been tempted to get a Plaid but at this point this thing is just very tired looking. We’ll get an EV that will be quick and luxurious; not sure what that will be wether a EQS AMG or…

syswei

OT: C&D article 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere

"Lucid is the real deal and has seemingly redefined how efficient an electric powertrain can be. Others in the EV biz need to wake up."

MBNUT1

What is so funny is that I used to have the perception that electric motors wouldn't have the power density. Based on this I couldn't have been more wrong.

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stealth.pilot

Yes but that makes it better at a drag strip. Not on the street.

places

I agree. People make such a big deal over this but if 0-60 times were so important people wouldn't be driving S Class cars they would all be driving E63's. The overall experience is always so much more important.

MBNUT1

Same discussion taking place over at the Taycan forum. The Taycan guys are relishing the Plaid packing it into the tires as a result of a brake failure.

js_cls

2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS450+ Electrified Luxury

MBNUT1

This review comments about the unnatural brake feel squares "with out of spec" review.

js_cls

It seems many of the reviews are a bit hit or miss when it comes to braking, mainly the moving brake pedal for the regenerative brakes. It sounds like a normal brake feel can be achieved by reducing the regenerative brakes to a minimum, although of course at the cost of efficiency/range.

syswei

Interesting story, not specifically about the EQS:

Plug-in cars are the future. The grid isn’t ready.

JoeMa

Good read, thanks. The charging station infrastructure isn't ready for the influx of new EV's. Even Tesla needs to build out their SuperCharger network. It will take a decade or more to add more charging stations and upgrade the grid to handle the load, assuming government doesn't gum up the works. Big oil isn't going take it laying down either.

stealth.pilot

I don't see the grid as a big issue. The article said EVs will account for 14% of total electrical usage in 2050. That's 30 years from now. If we can't plan for a new demand source that will account for 14% of usage 30 years from now, then we are not the country that sent a man to the moon.

Quite frankly over a 30 year period, I think this article neglects four things:
1) There will be massive strides in efficiency. For instance the new house I am building is expected to use 30% less power than my current house, despite being nearly twice the size.
2) Rise of solar. Solar will reduce strain on the grid.
3) Nuclear fusion will be a source of power 30 years from now
4) There is an assumption that all EVs are BEV, but I think in the commercial space, hydrogen EVs will have substantial benefits - especially for long haul transportation

190Efan

I agree with much of what you said. I find the article author's lack of engineering work experience is pretty obvious. It's time to let the engineers do their jobs and continue the transition away from fossil fuels. I have every faith in them based on personal experience. My engineer father believed that the solution is green sourced hydrogen because the supply of hydrogen is limitless and the only by-product from burning green sourced hydrogen is water. My engineer father was not a supporter of nuclear power because no one has figured out how to deal with nuclear waste which is frankly, just as toxic to our planet as the current planet killing fossil fuels are.

MBNUT1

The assumption in your engineer fathers vision is the abundance of green energy to the point that you can afford to use it in the less efficient generation of EV motor electricity via hydrogen vs directly convert it into electricity for BEV's. We are a long ways off from that if ever.

stealth.pilot

nuclear fusion doesn’t product nuclear waste.

js_cls

2022 Mercedes EQS First Drive Review: This Is the Electric S-Class

js_cls

This week Mercedes held an event in Vegas for dealer GM's to showcase future products (EQS, EQE, EQ-SUV's, SL, etc.) and focused a lot on the next ten years of MB with a priority on EQ vehicles.

One important point that was made was about a new 2-Year Lease Program designed for the EQS450 (includes 2-Years of Maintenance and Charging). My GM believes this is a way for Mercedes to incentivize the EQS450, as well as allow a way for those who want a 580 (which are limited availability) to still have a chance to get an EQS early on and have it for a short period before the 580 is then available in larger numbers.

190Efan

You're totally wrong. The technology for green sourced hydrogen is continuing to improve as we speak. Starting in 2024, MB will begin using steel created in a process that uses green sourced hydrogen and electricity. Airbus is currently developing hydrogen powered commercial aircraft. These are just a couple of examples. The weakness of batteries is that they need an electrical charge to be able to generate electricity. Currently, that charge is provided by burning toxic fossil fuels. The supply of toxic fossil fuels is finite in contrast to hydrogen which is the most abundant element in the universe. The only by-product from burning green sourced hydrogen is water, not the toxic hydrocarbons generated when burning fossil fuel.