stealth.pilot

did yugo win car of the year in the US?

ua549

Yugo was considered The worst Car in History. The US promoter behind the $2,000 Serbian car was Malcolm Bricklin. He produced the failed Bricklin SV-1 in 1974-75. He went bankrupt more than once.

SW20S

I don't agree with this...I would buy an EV at this point if one met my needs and wants. I lease, so 3 years and its gone anyways.

580. Interior felt way more E Class to me than S Class. Hard vinyl sunvisors, hard plastic on the lower and rear console, hard plastic on the lower floor sills. Didn't have the nappa upgrade, but a basic S Class doesn't either and has none of those lower rent materials. S580 has standard nappa. On top of the materials, I just don't like the feel of the really tall dash.

Those are all legitimate issues I agree.

Wolfman

Years yes, decades no. It also helps to take you more seriously if you keep your comments less judgmental.

Mercedes and other German car manufacturers definitely know how to build cars but have been sleeping at the wheel when it comes to EV's. There are reasons why. Germans customers overall showed little to no interest in buying EV's and the Germany's car industry as one of the largest employers in the country knew that building EV's would require up to 70% less labor. 100% union labor, that is. This was going to be a slow and painful transition. Significant emissions penalties, city driving restrictions for older Diesel tech and COVID created incentives for change.

But German companies are not as experienced with EV tech as Tesla, Lucid or Rivian. Besides, German car manufacturers have always been lousy with software development. US tech companies have a head-up there. Kudos to MB to create MB.OS with its standalone leadership.

We'll see how this develops. I for one am a huge fan of Mercedes but with EV's they will have to earn their reputation just like any other car manufacturer.

SW20S

Yet Lucid has sold all the $170k Dream editions they plan to make...

And great point Wolfman about the EV tech. The designers at Lucid come from Tesla and have way more experience with EVs than Mercedes

c4004matic

There lies the rub 170k for "perhaps"

c4004matic

The desicion clearly shows how much those honors are worth. "Best Car of the Year" awarded to a car that is not available for sale and at the time didn't have a finalized interface software, utter bull****. Obviously awarded to the highest bidder.

SW20S

Thats just ridiculous lol. All of the reviews of the car have praised it, and it is in fact available for sale. Deliveries are happening now.

c4004matic

At the time of the award the car was not for sale. Furtheremore the ones available still have a beta user interface just like the Plaids that have been sold that DONT get to 200mph. UTTER BS. If you wish to drink the koolaid thats your choice. No EQS is being sold with options or critical car systems TBD.

SW20S

Not sure why this car makes you so angry lol. From all the reviews, its a great car and competition makes everyone better. Tesla's been selling $12,000 beta options for years, just part of being an early adopter...and what do I care if it doesnt get to 200MPH? The EQS is hideous IMO, no way I would ever buy one for that reason alone. I would take a Plaid or an Air. All the "heritage" in the world from MB won't make me buy a car I hate looking at.

c4004matic

Really? Ugly? 😆😆😆I find the Lucid particularly gross. Wow thats is great information as whether something is useful or not, DUH

ua549

If a dealer doesn't have a representative in my economic area, I won't buy from them. That eliminates Tesla and Lucid from my list of potential new car purchases.

There is a Tesla owner in my neighborhood who has had nothing but problems with her over $100k purchase.

hyperion667

Think about it: Fully electric cars don't have multi-speed transmissions, radiators, fuel injectors, gas tanks, valvetrains or exhaust systems, to name just a few differences. And yet they cost so much more......makes perfect sense too eh?

ua549

Batteries cost more than engines and transmissions. Batteries are very heavy so that suspensions must be stronger.
Fewer are being sold so that fixed costs are spread across fewer units.

SW20S

Different strokes for different folks...I think the Lucid is WAY better looking than the EQS, which has the proportions of a mid 2000s Civic IMHO. So disappointed in the EQS...

Have ya been on the W223 forums here? LOL. TONS of problems.

kp117

The Lucid is a midsized car. It should be compared to the EQE. The Lucid navigation UI looks like mid 2000s Garmin maps. The electronics in the EQS are several levels above

SW20S

Midsized on the outside, not on the inside. Thats one of the great things about its design. definitely comparable to the EQS, in fact I think it feels more spacious:




Electronics will be better in the EQS (although I did play with the infotainment in the Lucid for 10-15 minutes and its actually quite elegant, simple and slick), but the styling is an absolute dealbreaker to me, so it negates any of the other benefits the car might have,

AppleFan1

I don't think that the EQS is at all ugly. I actually like how it looks. And, it looks even better in person than it does in photos.

AppleFan1

The EQS does not cost more. In fact, the price is a little less the S-Class ICE.

ua549

The Lucid Air front compartment is smaller than the EQS when it comes to headroom and shoulder room per manufacturer's specs.

SW20S

Its all personal opinions. I didn't like it in person either. Almost all the reviews mention the styling, I think the styling will keep it from converting as many traditional ICE large sedan buyers as it otherwise could.

If it looked like the S Class, I would buy it today.

In person though it doesn't feel that way. IMO the high dash of the EQS feels very confining.

stealth.pilot

Your chart is misleading. Seat height is important too. The Lucid roofline is very low. I bumped my head getting in the first time. The drivers seat is therefore positioned very close to the floor, which means your legs are stretched out more horizontally like in a Porsche 911 or Taycan. The implication of this is that you have the car seat much further back, you use up the extra front legroom, and you have a lot less rear legroom. The overall space in the back is more like an E Class than a S class.

SW20S

I completely disagree. I have an S Class, and I felt the room in the back seat was very comparable with the front seat adjusted for me. No issues with the roofline here, and in a sedan I like sitting low.

AppleFan1

You made yourself clear that you hate the EQS and you love the Lucid. A lot of us disagree but everyone has different opinions.

Wolfman

You guys may want to consider creating a new thread to discuss interior space, headroom, etc.