stealth.pilot

Sure. Obviously for some people the RWD model makes sense. It's not a big segment because it is being discontinued in the US.

I don't know why you need to keep making this point over and over again though. If people are asking about 580 allocations, it is because they want a 580.

hlothery

Sorry. I'll shut up.

ALANPRIEBE

Where are you getting the information about RWD being cancelled in the U.S.A? What you're saying makes sense and would follow the S Class (gas engine) line (in the U.S.A.). Here is the question: So, you make all three EQS models with AWD, does doing so with the extra motor change the name to EQS500 (400 plus HP) to stay inline with the gas powered S? Obviously adding another motor to the EQS 450+ will boost the H.P. output.

stealth.pilot

https://mbworld.org/forums/eqs/83521...ml#post8512469

ALANPRIEBE

Thanks!

BenjaminKohl

I do think you’re in the minority. Most people, especially in northern cities like NY/Boston/DC, Chicago, and Seattle where a lot of the people interested in this car live, require AWD, and even in LA or Houston, people don’t necessarily need it but think they do.

Also the 580 doesn’t have any rear seat enhancements vs the 450+

ALANPRIEBE

My two cents! It's your money, buy what you want, nobody should look down their nose on your choice, I live in Brentwood, TN, don't really need 4MATIC but like it, it rains a lot down here, always sure footed! Plus being a old gearhead like the added power! Have fun, hopefully I'll get my allotment soon, chip shortage and Hyperscreen's are not playing nice together, good night MB folks!

hlothery

Thanks. Like I said, it's perfect for me. Didn't mean to offend anyone. Had a 580 been available, I probably would have considered it. Hope you guys get your cars sooner, rather than later. It'll be interesting to see how the EQS, in all it's iterations, stands up to the other EVs in mileage, quality, and longevity.

ALANPRIEBE

Mileage (range) upper 2/3s, right now, Quality, probably the top tier, Longevity, should probably last, it have a quality car company backing it up with many dealers to help. There were a couple reasons why I stopped looking at Lucid, A startup company, not a lot of dealers (showrooms) around, hell, I sent a salesperson a note, it took two or three days for a reply? People complain about the shape of the EQS, I'm not one of them. I was in the dealer Saturday, they had a GT53 and a EQS450+ in the same room, looking it over these two car are very similar from the front door back, the EQS has a stubby door forward look different than the GT, I guess that's what no engine does to design? I checked around and it does look like the EQS450+ will be doing the 4Matic sometime second half of 2022 I was told no power increase which is hard to believe, you put another motor in and no gain? If both cars use the same motor in back (329 H.P.), The EQS450+ stops there, so that would mean the front motor on the EQS580 generates 187 H.P. (total 516 H.P. output)? If the EQS450+ 4Matic would use (front & rear) smaller motors like the front motor on the 580 that would boost it to 374 H.P. total output and closer to the gap of the gas powered S Class cars?

hlothery

Feel the same about Lucid, although they intrigue me still. But, I would have to get the car to Dallas (300 miles) for any necessary service, assuming the Dallas dealership actually does materialize. If the HP remains the same in a 4WD 450+, I'd still have to think twice. I'm getting SOC predictions of 411 miles at 100% charge on my 450+. Would two smaller motors use more juice, or less? We'll see how it goes over time. All good, though, IMO.

stealth.pilot

Good questions. Historically when MB has a 450 RWD or a 450 AWD car, they have the same HP. That said, most 450 models have the same engine, and in the case of the EV they have different motors so I don't know how that would work. It would have been more logical for them to call the AWD 450 a 500 which would line up well with the S-Class nomenclature and would accommodate a higher HP using 2 580 front motors.

ALANPRIEBE

[QUOTE=hlothery;8517334]Feel the same about Lucid, although they intrigue me still. But, I would have to get the car to Dallas (300 miles) for any necessary service, assuming the Dallas dealership actually does materialize. If the HP remains the same in a 4WD 450+, I'd still have to think twice. I'm getting SOC predictions of 411 miles at 100% charge on my 450+. Would two smaller motors use more juice, or less? We'll see how it goes over time. All good, though, IMO.[/QUOTE
The EPA on the 450+ is (350) MILES RANGE, the 580 (340), the European standard rates high, the EPA rates low but 411 miles (according to Edmunds) is good range. There are many factors that move the range meter, it appears in warmer weather you get better mileage, in colder worse. Hell, have a second helping at dinner and your range goes down! I think I read somewhere (maybe Lucid's website) that 19" tires gives you 511 range, 21" tires 470 range? At my age 3 or 4 hours driving before a pit stop is about it, so if you can find a DC Station, stop juice up (car), juice out (you) and have a coffee or soda and away you go. Remember on 4Matic EV's I believe the front motor kicks out when not needed much like cylinder deactivation on gas engines but if they do go to 4Matic on the 450 I'm guessing 5 / 10 miles range loss? We'll see?

hlothery

[QUOTE=ALANPRIEBE;8517525]My 450 definitely likes warmer weather. These are, obviously, theoretical discussions for me, as I have already made my choice. But very interesting to comtemplate. Bottom line, this is a fantastic car, whether 450 0r 580. I agree with the need for more frequent stops at my age, just not sure if the battery degradation issues some Tesla owners talk about is from the constant DC charging vs overnight AC charging. Local driving is not a problem, but road trips....is DC fast charging really good for the battery in the long run? Not sure. Really exciting to be on the forefront of all this stuff, tho. Love all the expertise on this board!

svp6

[QUOTE=hlothery;8517976]I don't think battery degradation will be an issue for the majority of people. I seldom do road trips, so not much DC charging for me. With those things in mind, I have only had 1-2% range drop over 3 years in the 4 EVs before the EQS. I would not expect the EQS to be different.

hlothery

Interestingly, it's 34 degrees here today, was 85 yesterday!. Charged to 80% last night, SOC reading was 353 when I got in. Went to a shopping center across town, about 24 miles round trip. Lost 40 miles before the end of my block, and was 276 when I returned from the trip. Cold weather makes an incredible difference, I had not preconditioned or anything. Another reason for me to hate winter.