EQS 580 - the 'S' is for scam
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I also have been using high quality car wash places for many years. I have had zero problems with scratches, etc. with one exception but that was not a quality car wash place. It was a BP gas station in OH (when I was visiting my daughter and her family) which also had a car wash. That damn place put all kinds of scratches on my 2008 LS460 that I owned at that time. I have never been to a gas station car wash since then. Where I live we have several wonderful car wash places with the very best being a place called Foam Car Wash, locally owned. Outside, they have very soft microfiber cloths to dry out the water spots that remain and powerful vacuum cleaners. I have seen no scratches, etc. on my current 2019 S450 which I have owned for 3.5 years. If there are swirls, I can't see them so I don't care. I'm too lazy to wash the car myself. It just takes too much time. But, I need to research the ceramic coating option and determine if I should do it. I will also ask the dealer what they recommend. When I service the car at the dealer, they obviously wash it and I doubt it's touchless.
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I’m retired. I just despise monthly payments. Even though it’s a one payment lease, I can turn it in after one year as long as I get another Mercedes. For example, if I cannot get lever 3 self driving on the EQS 580 I’ll be getting, I can turn it in if I wish when it’s available for the 2023 EQS. Btw, the residual for my S450 was about $56K when the one payment 3 year lease expired back in late September. I decided to pay the residual and buy it. The car is now worth about $70K. I was going to sell it but instead my wife and I are gifting the car (only 30,000 miles) to our daughter and son-in-law. I can thank my Apple shares for being able to afford to do this.
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I’m retired. I just despise monthly payments. Even though it’s a one payment lease, I can turn it in after one year as long as I get another Mercedes. For example, if I cannot get lever 3 self driving on the EQS 580 I’ll be getting, I can turn it in if I wish when it’s available for the 2023 EQS. Btw, the residual for my S450 was about $56K when the one payment 3 year lease expired back in late September. I decided to pay the residual and buy it. The car is now worth about $70K. I was going to sell it but instead my wife and I are gifting the car (only 30,000 miles) to our daughter and son-in-law. I can thank my Apple shares for being able to afford to do this.
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I also have been using high quality car wash places for many years. I have had zero problems with scratches, etc. with one exception but that was not a quality car wash place. It was a BP gas station in OH (when I was visiting my daughter and her family) which also had a car wash. That damn place put all kinds of scratches on my 2008 LS460 that I owned at that time. I have never been to a gas station car wash since then. Where I live we have several wonderful car wash places with the very best being a place called Foam Car Wash, locally owned. Outside, they have very soft microfiber cloths to dry out the water spots that remain and powerful vacuum cleaners. I have seen no scratches, etc. on my current 2019 S450 which I have owned for 3.5 years. If there are swirls, I can't see them so I don't care. I'm too lazy to wash the car myself. It just takes too much time. But, I need to research the ceramic coating option and determine if I should do it. I will also ask the dealer what they recommend. When I service the car at the dealer, they obviously wash it and I doubt it's touchless.
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As for the level of the EQS, I have to concur. I too sat in an EQS and can confidently say that there is a difference in quality, fit, and finish between it and an S class. Closer to an E is about right.[/QUOTE]
I love internet purists. (NOT!) Those all knowing experts who exude experitse, without any credentials.. I had a Porsche Cayman, which, according to the purists, was not a "real Porsche". Could have fooled me! I had an M4, which was actually an F83 convertible hardtop.....therefore, according the the purists, not a real M4, since no M4 has a convertible top. What a raw monster is was! I had an M550, which was clearly, according to the purists, not a "real M car". ( I wonder how many of them have ever driven an M550 on the track at COTA?) Now I have an EQS, which, according to the purists, is "Not a real S Class". I've owned 2 E class Mercs....give me a break! I wonder why the purists don't believe the manufacturers who make the cars they so fervently are enamoured with, to classify them the way they see them as they are concieved on the design and assembly line? Get over yourselves!!!! This is a fabulous car.
As for the level of the EQS, I have to concur. I too sat in an EQS and can confidently say that there is a difference in quality, fit, and finish between it and an S class. Closer to an E is about right.[/QUOTE]
I love internet purists. (NOT!) Those all knowing experts who exude experitse, without any credentials.. I had a Porsche Cayman, which, according to the purists, was not a "real Porsche". Could have fooled me! I had an M4, which was actually an F83 convertible hardtop.....therefore, according the the purists, not a real M4, since no M4 has a convertible top. What a raw monster is was! I had an M550, which was clearly, according to the purists, not a "real M car". ( I wonder how many of them have ever driven an M550 on the track at COTA?) Now I have an EQS, which, according to the purists, is "Not a real S Class". I've owned 2 E class Mercs....give me a break! I wonder why the purists don't believe the manufacturers who make the cars they so fervently are enamoured with, to classify them the way they see them as they are concieved on the design and assembly line? Get over yourselves!!!! This is a fabulous car.
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I love internet purists. (NOT!) Those all knowing experts who exude experitse, without any credentials.. I had a Porsche Cayman, which, according to the purists, was not a "real Porsche". Could have fooled me! I had an M4, which was actually an F83 convertible hardtop.....therefore, according the the purists, not a real M4, since no M4 has a convertible top. What a raw monster is was! I had an M550, which was clearly, according to the purists, not a "real M car". ( I wonder how many of them have ever driven an M550 on the track at COTA?) Now I have an EQS, which, according to the purists, is "Not a real S Class". I've owned 2 E class Mercs....give me a break! I wonder why the purists don't believe the manufacturers who make the cars they so fervently are enamoured with, to classify them the way they see them as they are concieved on the design and assembly line? Get over yourselves!!!! This is a fabulous car.
"The S Class" is a model within Mercedes. Nobody is saying that the EQS is not a "real Mercedes", its just depsite having "S" in the name...it is NOT the S Class. Like the GLS, it has "S" in the name to denote its the best SUV, but it is not the S Class. Neither one are truly a peer to the S Class in finish, equipment, features and options etc.
The EQS is clearly not built to the same standard as the S Class, all you have to do is sit in one and you see that. The materials and finishes are more similar to what you find in the E Class (hard plastics on the rear console, vinyl material choices, leather grades, hard vinyl sunvisors to name a few), and the way the standard equipment and optional equipment are laid out is more E Class than S class. I can give you a list of items that brought me to that conclusion if you would like. This is not unique to Mercedes, for instance an X7 is not "a 7 Series", and in fact there are numerous ways where the 7 Series is superior in finish, materials, standard and optional equipment, etc.
Buyers should not expect the EQS is going to be finished same as the S Class, its not nor is it supposed to be.
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Sure looks like you picked the wrong dealership. Not saying any car fresh out of the box is perfect, but my EQS580 does easily stack up with my S580 in regards of b build quality, technology and comfort. Everybody knew about the problems with the supply chain and before you bought the car , you should have checked what was missing on this individual car. People know that some came without the Hyper screen or the Air purifier stuff. Even the massaging seat were at one point not available. The paint drips? I guess you can make a point. But the rest is a bit bad luck and a bit on you.
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I love internet purists. (NOT!) Those all knowing experts who exude experitse, without any credentials.. I had a Porsche Cayman, which, according to the purists, was not a "real Porsche". Could have fooled me! I had an M4, which was actually an F83 convertible hardtop.....therefore, according the the purists, not a real M4, since no M4 has a convertible top. What a raw monster is was! I had an M550, which was clearly, according to the purists, not a "real M car". ( I wonder how many of them have ever driven an M550 on the track at COTA?) Now I have an EQS, which, according to the purists, is "Not a real S Class". I've owned 2 E class Mercs....give me a break! I wonder why the purists don't believe the manufacturers who make the cars they so fervently are enamoured with, to classify them the way they see them as they are concieved on the design and assembly line? Get over yourselves!!!! This is a fabulous car.
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I can't speak to your Porsche or BMW dilemmas - clearly you were traumatized - but I can say with certainty EQS is not an S, it's a luxury EV, perhaps the most luxurious of its kind. MB tried to hail the GLS as the S of SUV's and that didn't take.The S is a legendary and stand alone model that has become the pinnacle of automotive luxury and status after decades of world recognition. Year one of the EQS and all of a sudden its an S? LOL!! No one is questioning your EQS's fabulousness, just that it's not an S. It's called and EQS for a reason. Now if Mercedes comes out with an S that is full EV, that will be an S. Don't be delusional, the two aren't even close.
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I don't know about you, but my GLS 580 with E active suspension rides and handles better than an S class. Not only that, it can hop and go off road. Maybe the leather isn't as supple, but it's as good as an S class in all other respects. It's also faster than an S500.
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The GLS is really sloppy compared to the S Class, and the ride had jiggles and nervousness the S Class doesn't have. The EABC helps that, but compared to an S Class with MBC/EABC there is no comparison. You can't beat physics.
The ONLY SUV I have driven that I feel really is a peer to the S Class is a full Range Rover. If I were going to do an SUV to really replace my S Class thats what I would get.
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I've driven it, it does not lol.
The GLS is really sloppy compared to the S Class, and the ride had jiggles and nervousness the S Class doesn't have. The EABC helps that, but compared to an S Class with MBC/EABC there is no comparison. You can't beat physics.
The ONLY SUV I have driven that I feel really is a peer to the S Class is a full Range Rover. If I were going to do an SUV to really replace my S Class thats what I would get.
The GLS is really sloppy compared to the S Class, and the ride had jiggles and nervousness the S Class doesn't have. The EABC helps that, but compared to an S Class with MBC/EABC there is no comparison. You can't beat physics.
The ONLY SUV I have driven that I feel really is a peer to the S Class is a full Range Rover. If I were going to do an SUV to really replace my S Class thats what I would get.
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I'm neither traumatized nor delusional. One thing is for sure, though, internet purists ALWAYS double down when questioned. Their narroiw focus means they are not so good, however, with recognizing and accepting new paradigms. One other thing is for sure.....I'm done with this thread! Ya'll have a nice day.
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I've driven it, it does not lol. The GLS is really sloppy compared to the S Class, and the ride had jiggles and nervousness the S Class doesn't have. The EABC helps that, but compared to an S Class with MBC/EABC there is no comparison. You can't beat physics. The ONLY SUV I have driven that I feel really is a peer to the S Class is a full Range Rover. If I were going to do an SUV to really replace my S Class thats what I would get.
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Yep, I agree with everything they said in the review.
The GLS is on the short list of vehicles to replace our Chrysler Pacifica next year and I have driven a bunch of them as well as the X7, Escalade is too big for us. Its a really nice vehicle, but its nothing like the S Class. The X7 is a much better vehicle, but the GLS is much larger inside.
The GLS is on the short list of vehicles to replace our Chrysler Pacifica next year and I have driven a bunch of them as well as the X7, Escalade is too big for us. Its a really nice vehicle, but its nothing like the S Class. The X7 is a much better vehicle, but the GLS is much larger inside.
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Area's where I suspect the EQS is superior the the S-Class is in handling and driving refinement due to it's low CG and electric motor.
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Area's where I suspect the EQS is superior the the S-Class is in handling and driving refinement due to it's low CG and electric motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXrQsyC-kQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXrQsyC-kQg
The EQS has another plus which is the Hyperscreen with the Zero-layer MBUX interface. It is a huge improvement over the version on the tablet screen because almost everything is single touch and the icons are so large. Touch screens are usually a driving distraction, and the Hyperscreen reduces this relative to the standard MBUX in the W223.
The standard S Class has more refinement in finishes. Nicer leather options like the Red, and Saddle Brown. Better audio system, Electric side window shades, etc. it would be nice if the EQS had these things.
But overall I love my EQS and I would never buy an ICE S-Class.
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Yes I think the same. To be honest I am the kind of person who wouldn’t normally by an S Class because I enjoy driving. I’ve rented S Classes before in Germany and didn’t enjoy them. I like cars like the Panamera and the BMW M5 or E63. But the EQS was pretty compelling to me because it combines sporty handling in sports mode with a comfortable ride for broken city streets in comfort mode. Also an electric power train will always eclipse an ice in refinement and smoothness.
The EQS has another plus which is the Hyperscreen with the Zero-layer MBUX interface. It is a huge improvement over the version on the tablet screen because almost everything is single touch and the icons are so large. Touch screens are usually a driving distraction, and the Hyperscreen reduces this relative to the standard MBUX in the W223.
The standard S Class has more refinement in finishes. Nicer leather options like the Red, and Saddle Brown. Better audio system, Electric side window shades, etc. it would be nice if the EQS had these things.
But overall I love my EQS and I would never buy an ICE S-Class.
The EQS has another plus which is the Hyperscreen with the Zero-layer MBUX interface. It is a huge improvement over the version on the tablet screen because almost everything is single touch and the icons are so large. Touch screens are usually a driving distraction, and the Hyperscreen reduces this relative to the standard MBUX in the W223.
The standard S Class has more refinement in finishes. Nicer leather options like the Red, and Saddle Brown. Better audio system, Electric side window shades, etc. it would be nice if the EQS had these things.
But overall I love my EQS and I would never buy an ICE S-Class.
Zero layer comes with the current W223 too (first ones being upgraded).
