EQS 580 - the 'S' is for scam
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Member
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 79
Likes: 25
From: Northern Virginia
Jaguar XKRS, Audi S8, Chevrolet Z06, Tesla Model S, Mercedes S63 AMG Coupe
Yes I think the same. To be honest I am the kind of person who wouldn’t normally by an S Class because I enjoy driving. I’ve rented S Classes before in Germany and didn’t enjoy them. I like cars like the Panamera and the BMW M5 or E63. But the EQS was pretty compelling to me because it combines sporty handling in sports mode with a comfortable ride for broken city streets in comfort mode. Also an electric power train will always eclipse an ice in refinement and smoothness.
The EQS has another plus which is the Hyperscreen with the Zero-layer MBUX interface. It is a huge improvement over the version on the tablet screen because almost everything is single touch and the icons are so large. Touch screens are usually a driving distraction, and the Hyperscreen reduces this relative to the standard MBUX in the W223.
The standard S Class has more refinement in finishes. Nicer leather options like the Red, and Saddle Brown. Better audio system, Electric side window shades, etc. it would be nice if the EQS had these things.
But overall I love my EQS and I would never buy an ICE S-Class.
The EQS has another plus which is the Hyperscreen with the Zero-layer MBUX interface. It is a huge improvement over the version on the tablet screen because almost everything is single touch and the icons are so large. Touch screens are usually a driving distraction, and the Hyperscreen reduces this relative to the standard MBUX in the W223.
The standard S Class has more refinement in finishes. Nicer leather options like the Red, and Saddle Brown. Better audio system, Electric side window shades, etc. it would be nice if the EQS had these things.
But overall I love my EQS and I would never buy an ICE S-Class.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Originally Posted by bnzvett;[url=tel:8536144
8536144[/url]]Question, does anyone know why Mercedes does not offer the same leather options in the EQS as the ICE S-class? You would think that it would be more cost effective for the company to use the same materials, especially given that they are produced on the same assembly line.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,976
Likes: 1,345
From: Cincinnati
2010 E350 4Matic
Looks like through "torque shifting" they are able to make the EQS handle significantly better than an S Class coupe which I think it would be safe to say would outhandle an S Class sedan.
https://www.motor1.com/news/481689/m...-torque-shift/
https://www.motor1.com/news/481689/m...-torque-shift/
Last edited by MBNUT1; Mar 27, 2022 at 11:01 PM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,757
Likes: 957
From: Atlanta
2022 Mercedes EQS 580
Question, does anyone know why Mercedes does not offer the same leather options in the EQS as the ICE S-class? You would think that it would be more cost effective for the company to use the same materials, especially given that they are produced on the same assembly line.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Looks like through "torque shifting" they are able to make the EQS handle significantly better than an S Class coupe which I think it would be safe to say would outhandle an S Class sedan.
https://www.motor1.com/news/481689/m...-torque-shift/
https://www.motor1.com/news/481689/m...-torque-shift/
Like I said, material choices in the EQS are more similar to what is used in the E Class or the GLE/GLS.
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 372
Likes: 19
From: Florida
Mercedes S550
One thing that we can all agree on is that it is a bad time to buy a new vehicle of most any make. I’m often an impulse shopper, and there is little inventory. I would be upset to pay over MSRP to a dealership, especially if I had ordered the car and wasn’t told about the additional charge. I’d also be upset by the absence of certain features, so I’m looking at dealer inventory and asking to see the build sheet.
My last purchase was a Tesla, so I knew exactly what it would cost at the time of order. I haven’t driven the EQS, but I am debating getting one last S class.
My last purchase was a Tesla, so I knew exactly what it would cost at the time of order. I haven’t driven the EQS, but I am debating getting one last S class.
Junior Member
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 46
Likes: 23
EQS 580
One thing that we can all agree on is that it is a bad time to buy a new vehicle of most any make. I’m often an impulse shopper, and there is little inventory. I would be upset to pay over MSRP to a dealership, especially if I had ordered the car and wasn’t told about the additional charge. I’d also be upset by the absence of certain features, so I’m looking at dealer inventory and asking to see the build sheet.
My last purchase was a Tesla, so I knew exactly what it would cost at the time of order. I haven’t driven the EQS, but I am debating getting one last S class.
My last purchase was a Tesla, so I knew exactly what it would cost at the time of order. I haven’t driven the EQS, but I am debating getting one last S class.
BTW, I had to pay $25K over MSRP to get. The other dealers I talked to wanted from $30K to $50K more. The cars are selling at that premium so you either swallow hard and pay up of shop for something else. Business is business.
Cincy
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 372
Likes: 19
From: Florida
Mercedes S550
Figuring out the technical features will no doubt protect my brain from Alzheimers for years to come.
Cincy[/QUOTE]
This made my laugh. If it works out for you, it’s worth paying over MSRP!
Cincy[/QUOTE]
This made my laugh. If it works out for you, it’s worth paying over MSRP!
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 636
From: Iowa
2008 CL550, 2022 EQB 300, 2023 EQS 450 4Matic
FWIW, the op bickering over perceived slights is such an embarrassing first world problem. It sounds like he is fortunate to have an expensive collection of toys--there is so much good fortune to find in his garage, why complain? Is the EQS perfect...no, nothing is. Not an S class, not an EQS. We're all fortunate to be in this club--bottom line.
Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 145
Likes: 40
From: West LA
2016 GTS; 2021 G63; 2015 Range Rover Supercharged
Sorry, but the only scams I see here is the dealership scamming you, and maybe the lack of transparency and missing charger with the second dealership. The dealership model sucks, and Fletcher Jones should be dragged over the coals.
Scam 4 sounds like user error (i.e. your mistake). Maybe it isn't set up properly
Scam 5 - Not a scam but production variability. This car comes off the same line as the S-Class so if you have these production issues on this one, you could have it on that. Obviously you had the right to decline delivery. And I'm sure they will make you whole if you invoke a buyback on this issue.
Scam 6 - I'm dumbfounded you would try to take a car of this caliber through a machine car wash. Either way it isn't an advertised feature so not sure how it can be a scam.
Scam 7 - Again not an advertised feature of this car so how can it be a scam when it isn't on the spec sheet. By your logic the S580 is a scam because it's supposed to be the pinnacle but doesn't have a hyperscreen. They sold you what they said.
Scam 8 - Sounds like you don't have those options on your car. This is the drawback of buying off the lot. My car doesn't have those features either, but I have ordered a replacement which will be built to order and does have these features. Plus to avoid Scam 1 I have MSRP sale price in writing.
Scam 9 - You could have waited for this feature to become available, You did not. Your choice. Not a scam. BTW Same with Taycan - soft-close is available. You didn't buy it. Not Porsche's fault.
Scam 10 - Agree it's an issue. But not a scam. It's not like they advertised the car as having responsive brakes. The press reviews and test drives made it pretty clear what you get. I was disappointed with the brake feel too, but don't view it as a scam.
Scam 4 sounds like user error (i.e. your mistake). Maybe it isn't set up properly
Scam 5 - Not a scam but production variability. This car comes off the same line as the S-Class so if you have these production issues on this one, you could have it on that. Obviously you had the right to decline delivery. And I'm sure they will make you whole if you invoke a buyback on this issue.
Scam 6 - I'm dumbfounded you would try to take a car of this caliber through a machine car wash. Either way it isn't an advertised feature so not sure how it can be a scam.
Scam 7 - Again not an advertised feature of this car so how can it be a scam when it isn't on the spec sheet. By your logic the S580 is a scam because it's supposed to be the pinnacle but doesn't have a hyperscreen. They sold you what they said.
Scam 8 - Sounds like you don't have those options on your car. This is the drawback of buying off the lot. My car doesn't have those features either, but I have ordered a replacement which will be built to order and does have these features. Plus to avoid Scam 1 I have MSRP sale price in writing.
Scam 9 - You could have waited for this feature to become available, You did not. Your choice. Not a scam. BTW Same with Taycan - soft-close is available. You didn't buy it. Not Porsche's fault.
Scam 10 - Agree it's an issue. But not a scam. It's not like they advertised the car as having responsive brakes. The press reviews and test drives made it pretty clear what you get. I was disappointed with the brake feel too, but don't view it as a scam.
By the way, not to rain on your beautiful parade but I got a substantial discount off of MSRP.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 1,568
Likes: 590
From: Occupied Palestine
2025 Maserati Grecale Folgore and 2024 Jaguar F-PACE SVR
They're only discounting if you finance/lease around here, not if you're a cash buyer like me. I did get them to give me $5K more trade-in value on my Genesis GV80 though.
Anywho, all I can say is if the S-class now has an E-class interior why not just buy an EQE. I went all the way with mine ($100K sticker) and got everything I wanted except the AR HUD. The ionizing air and fragrance are particularly nice so I sympathize a little with the OP.
Anywho, all I can say is if the S-class now has an E-class interior why not just buy an EQE. I went all the way with mine ($100K sticker) and got everything I wanted except the AR HUD. The ionizing air and fragrance are particularly nice so I sympathize a little with the OP.
Member
Joined: Apr 2023
Posts: 76
Likes: 35
2022 EQS 450+, 2020 BMW i3, 2017 BMW 328d
There's about $13.5K worth of incentives for leasing. EQS leases have become a craze recently, which is also how I leased my $115K example for effectively $480/month and no down.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Anywho, all I can say is if the S-class now has an E-class interior why not just buy an EQE. I went all the way with mine ($100K sticker) and got everything I wanted except the AR HUD. The ionizing air and fragrance are particularly nice so I sympathize a little with the OP.
The argument "why not get an EQE" is a valid argument. Quite frankly, sitting in the EQE and sitting in the EQS, theres not a lot of difference to me.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,133
Likes: 265
From: NM
2023 AMG EQS
The EQS is definitely not an S class... its more on par with a CLS.
I considered waiting for the EQE but I want the range that the EQS offers. If there was an EQE with similar range then I would rather take an EQE.
I considered waiting for the EQE but I want the range that the EQS offers. If there was an EQE with similar range then I would rather take an EQE.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,976
Likes: 1,345
From: Cincinnati
2010 E350 4Matic
Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 145
Likes: 40
From: West LA
2016 GTS; 2021 G63; 2015 Range Rover Supercharged
that’s a bit high ever for these days. I see them going for much less now. $130k examples are being given away for $299 a month. Haha J/K.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
I would love to love the EQS...the EV powertrain is perfect for a luxury sedan but I just have no interest in the EQ models because of the styling. Hopefully the next generation S Class when it absorbs the EQS will have a more traditional sedan look.
Last edited by SW20S; May 18, 2023 at 05:35 PM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,336
Likes: 936
From: Brookshire, Texas & Cat Spring, Texas
2019 SL550/2023 EQS 580 SUV
Not too many years back Tesla was the only viable EV for many folks. Now many multiple companies are hitting the roads with EV’s. If you don’t like the styling of the EQS go elsewhere. No one is forcing anybody to buy the EQS.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,113
Likes: 4,600
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Originally Posted by Utopia Texas;[url=tel:8780140
8780140[/url]]Not too many years back Tesla was the only viable EV for many folks. Now many multiple companies are hitting the roads with EV’s. If you don’t like the styling of the EQS go elsewhere. No one is forcing anybody to buy the EQS.
