Mercedes to continue EVA2
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Mercedes to continue EVA2
I found this article today but don't know how much weight to put on it. https://www.electrive.com/2024/05/13...logy-platform/
If MB is actually going to continue with the EVA2 which the EQE/EQS is currently built on, that most likely mean that they need to make more money out of the current tech before moving onto the new architecture. Or it could mean that the new architecture (MB.EA large) is likely not yielding that much more benefit over the existing architecture.
Does this mean that the EQS will likely continue to be its own model and not merge with the S-Class at some later point?
If MB is actually going to continue with the EVA2 which the EQE/EQS is currently built on, that most likely mean that they need to make more money out of the current tech before moving onto the new architecture. Or it could mean that the new architecture (MB.EA large) is likely not yielding that much more benefit over the existing architecture.
Does this mean that the EQS will likely continue to be its own model and not merge with the S-Class at some later point?
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It sounds like they’ll be copying BMW’s strategy to me of having one shared platform that will be ICE or EV, instead of dedicated platforms for each.
This is disappointing news.
This is disappointing news.
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I can see an 800V system in the facelift EQS on an EVA2M, but if MB squeeze more out of the EVA2M with a 2 speed tranny, those engineers will be working overtime.
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I think the outlook for pure play EV makers is best if the OEMs pursue the shared platform approach. For example, if the current EQS580 had been a W223 EV with a 250 mile range, I would be in a Lucid now.
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Look at what BMW has done. All their cars are very competitive in range.
Their ICE Platform based iX beats EV platform based EQE SUV with larger battery, longer range and higher efficiency.
Range is not a concern for shared platform. It is mostly interior packaging with more room (theoretically) and more flexibility in seats placement for EV platform cars.
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I don't expect that to be the case at all.
Look at what BMW has done. All their cars are very competitive in range.
Their ICE Platform based iX beats EV platform based EQE SUV with larger battery, longer range and higher efficiency.
Range is not a concern for shared platform. It is mostly interior packaging with more room (theoretically) and more flexibility in seats placement for EV platform cars.
Look at what BMW has done. All their cars are very competitive in range.
Their ICE Platform based iX beats EV platform based EQE SUV with larger battery, longer range and higher efficiency.
Range is not a concern for shared platform. It is mostly interior packaging with more room (theoretically) and more flexibility in seats placement for EV platform cars.
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It’s a bd ideal following BMW strategy their suspension really takes a huge hit being able to handle only fraction of their ICE duty cycle.
Yes I’d is the only bespoke EV and BMW is already culling i series with Neue Klasse so BMW is pivoting to EV architecture.
Yes I’d is the only bespoke EV and BMW is already culling i series with Neue Klasse so BMW is pivoting to EV architecture.
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After 17 brand new MB’s, including 5 S Class sedans, I have a new BMW I7 on order. The car does everything the current S Class does, but better. The ride quality, quietness and luxury put the S580 I had to shame. I test drove the EQS Sedan and it is not in the same league as either the current S Class or the current 7 Series. I do believe that BMW got electrification right and MB got it wrong. MB has been getting a LOT wrong lately.
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You can see that the iX being manufactured in the same assembly line as other CLAR cars - this is only possible if they originate from the same platform (see video below).
BMW has no EV platform until Neue Klasse (still shared but EV priority vs ICE priority for CLAR).
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This is an unfortunate move from Mercedes likely due to the slow sales of their EV’s.
I would hope they would take bolder steps as they actually own the best EV motor tech of any manufacturer and were planning to leverage them (axial flux motors) through their acquisition of Yasa on the MB.EA platform.
I hope that the AMG.EA platform is still happening…
I would hope they would take bolder steps as they actually own the best EV motor tech of any manufacturer and were planning to leverage them (axial flux motors) through their acquisition of Yasa on the MB.EA platform.
I hope that the AMG.EA platform is still happening…
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After 17 brand new MB’s, including 5 S Class sedans, I have a new BMW I7 on order. The car does everything the current S Class does, but better. The ride quality, quietness and luxury put the S580 I had to shame. I test drove the EQS Sedan and it is not in the same league as either the current S Class or the current 7 Series. I do believe that BMW got electrification right and MB got it wrong. MB has been getting a LOT wrong lately.
BMW fares better as it is a transitional design but ultimately inferior.
BMW got the insulation right (they are very quiet EV’s) but has issues with brake modulation and recuperation.
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After 17 brand new MB’s, including 5 S Class sedans, I have a new BMW I7 on order. The car does everything the current S Class does, but better. The ride quality, quietness and luxury put the S580 I had to shame. I test drove the EQS Sedan and it is not in the same league as either the current S Class or the current 7 Series. I do believe that BMW got electrification right and MB got it wrong. MB has been getting a LOT wrong lately.
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I think that MB strategy is definitely the better one but hampered by poor design and engineering choices.
BMW fares better as it is a transitional design but ultimately inferior.
BMW got the insulation right (they are very quiet EV’s) but has issues with brake modulation and recuperation.
BMW fares better as it is a transitional design but ultimately inferior.
BMW got the insulation right (they are very quiet EV’s) but has issues with brake modulation and recuperation.
Aside from all the problems I had with my 2022 S580, there were design elements that made the car less comfortable for me than the previous model. Lastly, as I have mentioned elsewhere, here in Orange County, the dealers appear to be overwhelmed. Too many models with way too many problems. Time for a change, but there will still be two 2019 MB’s in the garage. Hope they play nice with their new stablemate.
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What I would love is an EQ vehicle that looks more like a traditional sedan with the same level interior as the S Class.
What I like about the i7 is it feels like a normal luxury sedan. If you put an engine soundtrack somebody would never know it was an EV.
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For me it’s different. The last thing I would want to hear is their ****ty soundtrack or some fake engine sound.
I’d take a Lucid over a BMW i7 any day.
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For me it’s different. The last thing I would want to hear is their ****ty soundtrack or some fake engine sound.
I’d take a Lucid over a BMW i7 any day.
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I think i7 is way more ugly than EQS TBH. I had been driving different BMW since 2004 (e46m3, e90, e92m3, e63m6, f07 550gt, f10 530, f85 x5m, f01 750, f82, f80 cs), can't stay their new big nose design plus their interior getting too "busy"
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.
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With regards to pedal feel, drive an am eqs in normal mode regen is no different than an old ICE with a bit more feel on wind resistance due to the light regen. But the brake pedals don't move unexpectedly, and the accelerator pedal pressure feels "normal.
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I think i7 is way more ugly than EQS TBH. I had been driving different BMW since 2004 (e46m3, e90, e92m3, e63m6, f07 550gt, f10 530, f85 x5m, f01 750, f82, f80 cs), can't stay their new big nose design plus their interior getting too "busy"
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.
Honestly the EQE is better looking IMO, it has some shape to the haunches and looks athletic in some ways.
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At the end of the day though, the EQS just hasn't sold well which is why MB is readying refreshes and new models and rethinking their whole EQ approach to EVs.
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I think i7 is way more ugly than EQS TBH. I had been driving different BMW since 2004 (e46m3, e90, e92m3, e63m6, f07 550gt, f10 530, f85 x5m, f01 750, f82, f80 cs), can't stay their new big nose design plus their interior getting too "busy"
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.