Switching back to ICE?
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I wont even get into the environmental disaster all of these batteries are making (and going to create). Hell, we have a tank at one of our facilities that was going to cost us $30k for us to get rid of....but, like MANY other business' out there...we will leave it be until we abandon the property. Then, it is some other schmucks issue (I wish I was kidding).
The thing that nailed the coffin closed for me on the Tesla was a plane crash. I know the owner of the car that made this video...the car owner was NOT asked if it could be used....here is the video. If they will watch this, what is to stop them from watching what is going on in your garage? I will not have a car that can spy on me as part of its nature...what I do is not the business of the car companies, nor any government. More and more and more we are going right down the Orwellian path (mixed in with some Wall-E). I figure, I got about forty or so years left on this planet...PLENTY of classic cars that can burn massive amounts of gasoline before my time is up!
https://www.facebook.com/AviationAccidentsThisDayInHistory/videos/fatal-crash-of-a-baron-n959cm-in-ocala-florida-31october2019/739597900358174/
Now, off to light up some charcoal so that I can cook a single pizza in the oven on the deck....because that is a good use of natural resources (all with the AC systems on the house blasting)......oh, the irony.
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Maybe some day...only on the small scale. Other items, sure - maybe. Certainly not for "Professionals" - not folks who do it all day every day.
I wont even get into the environmental disaster all of these batteries are making (and going to create). Hell, we have a tank at one of our facilities that was going to cost us $30k for us to get rid of....but, like MANY other business' out there...we will leave it be until we abandon the property. Then, it is some other schmucks issue (I wish I was kidding).
The thing that nailed the coffin closed for me on the Tesla was a plane crash. I know the owner of the car that made this video...the car owner was NOT asked if it could be used....here is the video. If they will watch this, what is to stop them from watching what is going on in your garage? I will not have a car that can spy on me as part of its nature...what I do is not the business of the car companies, nor any government. More and more and more we are going right down the Orwellian path (mixed in with some Wall-E). I figure, I got about forty or so years left on this planet...PLENTY of classic cars that can burn massive amounts of gasoline before my time is up!
https://www.facebook.com/AviationAcc...9597900358174/
Now, off to light up some charcoal so that I can cook a single pizza in the oven on the deck....because that is a good use of natural resources (all with the AC systems on the house blasting)......oh, the irony.
I wont even get into the environmental disaster all of these batteries are making (and going to create). Hell, we have a tank at one of our facilities that was going to cost us $30k for us to get rid of....but, like MANY other business' out there...we will leave it be until we abandon the property. Then, it is some other schmucks issue (I wish I was kidding).
The thing that nailed the coffin closed for me on the Tesla was a plane crash. I know the owner of the car that made this video...the car owner was NOT asked if it could be used....here is the video. If they will watch this, what is to stop them from watching what is going on in your garage? I will not have a car that can spy on me as part of its nature...what I do is not the business of the car companies, nor any government. More and more and more we are going right down the Orwellian path (mixed in with some Wall-E). I figure, I got about forty or so years left on this planet...PLENTY of classic cars that can burn massive amounts of gasoline before my time is up!
https://www.facebook.com/AviationAcc...9597900358174/
Now, off to light up some charcoal so that I can cook a single pizza in the oven on the deck....because that is a good use of natural resources (all with the AC systems on the house blasting)......oh, the irony.
where do people get such idiotic info? Mining lithium more damaging than extracting oil from oil sands or fracking? Not to mention the billions of tons of Ca O2 pumped from flaring gas? Oh yes I know where all that enlightment comes from... oil companies! The same guys that told us that plastic was recyclable abd are trying to do so again, because this time they really mean it!
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Not to worry, fellow citizens; there are always countermeasures should one feel violated. Future prediction are always incomplete, and so is 1984.Regarding green this or that, whether it is battery production or gasoline production, we are going to have byproducts. You don't get something for nothing. Look at what is sustainable in the long term, and move on with that. 2 steps forward, 1 step backward. I think that is the life cycle of EV. Go back to ICE is OK, too. You're not going to experience anything significant.
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Can be or will be? Hell - EVERYTHING is made up of elements. Short of fusion or fission we can break anything down to its roots (Sodium is super fun for some home chemistry play!)....that does not mean it is effective or "clean" to do so..
Quite seriously I asked the city to take my "Recycling" container away as the rules for "recycling" cause more environmental harm than just tossing things into the landfill. At least I know my plastic is not going to end up at a playground in China.....the number is something like 95% for the EASILY recyclable materials in a normal run of the mill car (higher with all metal cars)...as for EV...hell, it is considered HazMat from the word go. The fire departments have to be retrained to contend with them and on and on...the portrayal of an EV being friendly to the environment is simply snake oil.
Our local recycling rules - no glass, "oily" cardboard...meaning pizza boxes...no glossy paper. No plastic bottles with some number on it (what ever number it is). No electronics....
Some months ago I put brake rotors in the recycling....EASILY recycled. The recycling folks took them out, put them in the yard - left a warning and drove off. Those rotors are in a land fill and the recycling container is gone. I have two trash cans as opposed to one of each. Now, if they wont do a freaking brake rotor - what on earth makes anyone think that they wall take batteries (that they already only take two days a year where I live).
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Can be or will be? Hell - EVERYTHING is made up of elements. Short of fusion or fission we can break anything down to its roots (Sodium is super fun for some home chemistry play!)....that does not mean it is effective or "clean" to do so..
Quite seriously I asked the city to take my "Recycling" container away as the rules for "recycling" cause more environmental harm than just tossing things into the landfill. At least I know my plastic is not going to end up at a playground in China.....the number is something like 95% for the EASILY recyclable materials in a normal run of the mill car (higher with all metal cars)...as for EV...hell, it is considered HazMat from the word go. The fire departments have to be retrained to contend with them and on and on...the portrayal of an EV being friendly to the environment is simply snake oil.
Our local recycling rules - no glass, "oily" cardboard...meaning pizza boxes...no glossy paper. No plastic bottles with some number on it (what ever number it is). No electronics....
Some months ago I put brake rotors in the recycling....EASILY recycled. The recycling folks took them out, put them in the yard - left a warning and drove off. Those rotors are in a land fill and the recycling container is gone. I have two trash cans as opposed to one of each. Now, if they wont do a freaking brake rotor - what on earth makes anyone think that they wall take batteries (that they already only take two days a year where I live).
Quite seriously I asked the city to take my "Recycling" container away as the rules for "recycling" cause more environmental harm than just tossing things into the landfill. At least I know my plastic is not going to end up at a playground in China.....the number is something like 95% for the EASILY recyclable materials in a normal run of the mill car (higher with all metal cars)...as for EV...hell, it is considered HazMat from the word go. The fire departments have to be retrained to contend with them and on and on...the portrayal of an EV being friendly to the environment is simply snake oil.
Our local recycling rules - no glass, "oily" cardboard...meaning pizza boxes...no glossy paper. No plastic bottles with some number on it (what ever number it is). No electronics....
Some months ago I put brake rotors in the recycling....EASILY recycled. The recycling folks took them out, put them in the yard - left a warning and drove off. Those rotors are in a land fill and the recycling container is gone. I have two trash cans as opposed to one of each. Now, if they wont do a freaking brake rotor - what on earth makes anyone think that they wall take batteries (that they already only take two days a year where I live).
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GM just saw record EV sales. If EV's were Mark Twain they would say "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...r/74278162007/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...r/74278162007/
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For those of you that are old enough to remember this GE statement: “Progress Is Our Most Important Product.”
EV’s are not only here to stay but they will overtake gas powered vehicles down the road. New technology will increase the range a lot plus I bet they will become more beneficial for the environment.
EV’s are not only here to stay but they will overtake gas powered vehicles down the road. New technology will increase the range a lot plus I bet they will become more beneficial for the environment.
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"Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."/
That is a good question to pose to EV fans...."Do you own a boat?"......
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For those of you that are old enough to remember this GE statement: “Progress Is Our Most Important Product.”
EV’s are not only here to stay but they will overtake gas powered vehicles down the road. New technology will increase the range a lot plus I bet they will become more beneficial for the environment.
EV’s are not only here to stay but they will overtake gas powered vehicles down the road. New technology will increase the range a lot plus I bet they will become more beneficial for the environment.
The only way to make EVs environmentally beneficial is to recharge them with Nuclear energy. Even then it would be a stretch. Besides, counting EVs as progress is an effort in futility. All they are now is slight improvements on battery powered vehicle technology that has been around over 100 years. There is absolutely no need to artificially lionize EVs. There is nothing earth shattering, noble, or worship worthy about them.
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Not all change is progress. Not all progress is good. Heck, not all progress is progress, a lot of it is hype, plagiarism, or attempts to resurrect old, obscure, unworthy technologies.
The only way to make EVs environmentally beneficial is to recharge them with Nuclear energy. Even then it would be a stretch. Besides, counting EVs as progress is an effort in futility. All they are now is slight improvements on battery powered vehicle technology that has been around over 100 years. There is absolutely no need to artificially lionize EVs. There is nothing earth shattering, noble, or worship worthy about them.
The only way to make EVs environmentally beneficial is to recharge them with Nuclear energy. Even then it would be a stretch. Besides, counting EVs as progress is an effort in futility. All they are now is slight improvements on battery powered vehicle technology that has been around over 100 years. There is absolutely no need to artificially lionize EVs. There is nothing earth shattering, noble, or worship worthy about them.
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Utterly incorrect. Even when using coal as electricity the equivalent mpg of the EQS is 92 mpg! More than 4 times less CO2 than and equivalent ICE powered car of the same size. Lets face it, aside from slightly less convinient refueling for long trips EVs are better in every singke category than ICE cars. Quieter; faster, safer, superbly better fir the environment, there is no competition. Heck even the Ionic 5N ( A kess exoensive hothatch) eats E63's and M5 for breakfast fir half the price!
The thermal efficiency of coal plants is about 34-36% about the same as ICE.
The electricity transmission lines efficiency is 85-92%.
Combining efficiency loss for plant and wires, not to mention battery losses, makes EVs less efficient.
Therefore, even if you used the cleanest coals, just from an efficiency standpoint, EVs would be less clean for the planet. Thus, Nuclear would be required to slant the advantage.
2 days ago, Ford closed down their EV program.
EV batteries will need replacement every 8-15 years. ICE vehicles are still on the road after 50-60 years or more.
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If what I said was utterly incorrect, you (possibly inadvertently) admitted to worshipping EVs.
The thermal efficiency of coal plants is about 34-36% about the same as ICE.
The electricity transmission lines efficiency is 85-92%.
Combining efficiency loss for plant and wires, not to mention battery losses, makes EVs less efficient.
Therefore, even if you used the cleanest coals, just from an efficiency standpoint, EVs would be less clean for the planet. Thus, Nuclear would be required to slant the advantage.
2 days ago, Ford closed down their EV program.
EV batteries will need replacement every 8-15 years. ICE vehicles are still on the road after 50-60 years or more.
The thermal efficiency of coal plants is about 34-36% about the same as ICE.
The electricity transmission lines efficiency is 85-92%.
Combining efficiency loss for plant and wires, not to mention battery losses, makes EVs less efficient.
Therefore, even if you used the cleanest coals, just from an efficiency standpoint, EVs would be less clean for the planet. Thus, Nuclear would be required to slant the advantage.
2 days ago, Ford closed down their EV program.
EV batteries will need replacement every 8-15 years. ICE vehicles are still on the road after 50-60 years or more.
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Based on current standards of affordability...EV's are also racist. I have not seen a single charger in the projects of Chicago, Orlando, Miami.....or any other city. Yes, they do hurt the lower income folks MORE (as does any tax)
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If what I said was utterly incorrect, you (possibly inadvertently) admitted to worshipping EVs.
The thermal efficiency of coal plants is about 34-36% about the same as ICE.
The electricity transmission lines efficiency is 85-92%.
Combining efficiency loss for plant and wires, not to mention battery losses, makes EVs less efficient.
Therefore, even if you used the cleanest coals, just from an efficiency standpoint, EVs would be less clean for the planet. Thus, Nuclear would be required to slant the advantage.
2 days ago, Ford closed down their EV program.
EV batteries will need replacement every 8-15 years. ICE vehicles are still on the road after 50-60 years or more.
The thermal efficiency of coal plants is about 34-36% about the same as ICE.
The electricity transmission lines efficiency is 85-92%.
Combining efficiency loss for plant and wires, not to mention battery losses, makes EVs less efficient.
Therefore, even if you used the cleanest coals, just from an efficiency standpoint, EVs would be less clean for the planet. Thus, Nuclear would be required to slant the advantage.
2 days ago, Ford closed down their EV program.
EV batteries will need replacement every 8-15 years. ICE vehicles are still on the road after 50-60 years or more.
If you'll are really concern about the earth, I highly recommend to sell all your cars, take public transportation, and invest in a bicycle. If you are aiming for sustainability, you don't know unless you experiment. In any project, the people are always the strongest and toughest constraint. Technology and process can be formulated very quickly, but it's the people that typically slows down the progress. Sometimes that is a good thing, but most of the time, it's the reason we still have holy war mentalities after thousands of years. Our evolutionary nature just doesn't allow us to change that fast. And so the EV debate goes on.
The reason I would buy another EV and not an ICE is based on my use case scenario. I'll let the priest, the rabbi, and the monks continue to debate about EV. I'll just enjoy my ride.
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The fact is that I enjoy my EV ownership much much more than ICE.
I enjoying not having to go to gas station every week.
I enjoying no maintenance and oil service.
I enjoy the quiet driving experience.
I enjoy preheating my car in winter inside my closed garage.
It may change you mind if you have a chance to live with an EV for a period of time.
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Maybe not, and I don't "worship" them.
The fact is that I enjoy my EV ownership much much more than ICE.
I enjoying not having to go to gas station every week.
I enjoying no maintenance and oil service.
I enjoy the quiet driving experience.
I enjoy preheating my car in winter inside my closed garage.
It may change you mind if you have a chance to live with an EV for a period of time.
The fact is that I enjoy my EV ownership much much more than ICE.
I enjoying not having to go to gas station every week.
I enjoying no maintenance and oil service.
I enjoy the quiet driving experience.
I enjoy preheating my car in winter inside my closed garage.
It may change you mind if you have a chance to live with an EV for a period of time.
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Some of my "environmental friendly" friends who bought an EV, have totaled them already after one or 2 years (Yeah, try Scratch a Unibody Tesla).
I don't think EVs are environmental friendly but I do plan to get an EQS and an ID BUZZ because I enjoyed them as loaners.
I don't think EVs are environmental friendly but I do plan to get an EQS and an ID BUZZ because I enjoyed them as loaners.
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There we go again. Why always assume that EV owners/lovers are environmental conscious or friendly?
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You sound like you have no clue. Anyway not a big deal. Seems like your time is up soon.
But you are right most people here don't care about the cost of fuel. We care about performance and electric beats gasoline on performance. Better leaf blowers, better mowers, better cars. better trucks. Yes maybe a chain saw could be one application where gasoline wins, but even then I am skeptical. I bet an electric product will beat it one day.
There are corner cases where gasoline is better - but they are corners cases. Buying a crappy product for the corner case is kind of dumb.
But you are right most people here don't care about the cost of fuel. We care about performance and electric beats gasoline on performance. Better leaf blowers, better mowers, better cars. better trucks. Yes maybe a chain saw could be one application where gasoline wins, but even then I am skeptical. I bet an electric product will beat it one day.
There are corner cases where gasoline is better - but they are corners cases. Buying a crappy product for the corner case is kind of dumb.
